The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars

[Eggstor]

That's interesting. Which one is easier to control?

For the first couple laps, the Ford. After that, they equalize.

They both do require some concentration, but topping out at over 200 mph at the end of the front straight is something.

 

[mynameis66]

I wonder how they decide which cars go up/down with their PP ratings.One example ive got is,Wrx Sti type S,tune with SH went up so had to add 30kg,but the tune for SM tyres stayed the same.Evo TM version actually went down so was able to drop weight.These are tuned cars not stock so i realise each car is different but i was curious what decides what car.

 

[BWM]

Casual drive playing with the super hot cappuccino, got burned a bit

Not stable as expected, similar to the mini way too much power for the little chassis.
Rear tires just vaporize on dry, drove more gently in the last few laps for tire saving.
Engine swapped k cars is cool but I still hope to win this with their own engine.

Tried the IDR but way too much downforce you can't have much power within 600pp. And battery life is bad too only last for 3 laps.

 

[Baka_Marimo]

Ford focus RS with engine swap is a non stopper on SH,i run 1 lap on FM6 through the twisty bits,the rest is FM1.The M3 you mentioned is a good blast for a 0 stopper too.

Well, that engine is unfortunately among those I have yet to get. I abused the Extra Menu glitch to the moon and back, but that engine wasn't yet in the game back then.

Managed to add three more cars to the list, among which there is the dreaded engine-swapped CSL. Winning in that car easily took me five or six attempts. You only need to so much as breathe on the throttle for it to kick the back out. It turned the entire race into a nerve jangling experience. Also it's so hard on the rear tyres that a no-stopper is completely out of the question. I did six laps on Softs and the other six on Mediums. Should've really done 6M-6H instead, as this is how my tyres looked at the end of the race:

The softs looked pretty much the same at the end of my first stint and I only won because my rivals were too inept to get past me in the corners, so this is now officially the slowest winning time on my ranking board. The Hellcat was a similar story. It's just so heavy that it creeps around the corners at a snail's pace. But then again, the AI opponents were not smart enough to take advantage of that weakness.

Spoiler: Stock cars going round Tokyo

Spoiler: Chevrolet Corvette C7 '14 (SS/597.66 PP): 27:07.196

Spoiler: Ferrari GTO '84 (SS/595.66 PP): 27:07.832

Spoiler: Dodge Viper GTS '13 (SH/596.22 PP): 27:08.359

Spoiler: Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren '09 (SH/598.70 PP): 27:13.337

Spoiler: Ford Ford GT '06 (SH/599.28 PP): 27:14.496

Spoiler: Ford GT40 Mark I '66 (SM/586.92 PP): 27:15.097

Spoiler: AMG Mercedes-AMG GT R '17 (SH/599.45 PP): 27:15.224

Spoiler: Aston Martin DB11 '16 (SM/598.41 PP): 27:20.816

Spoiler: Audi R8 4.2 '07 (SS/589.56 PP): 27:25.772

Spoiler: AMG Mercedes-AMG GT Safety Car (SM/597.58 PP): 27:27.273

Spoiler: AMG SLS AMG '10 (SH/593.59 PP): 27:28.440

Spoiler: Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe '06 (SM/587.22 PP): 27:29.120

Spoiler: Jaguar F-type R '14 (SM/587.75 PP): 27:31.316

Spoiler: BMW M3 '03 (Engine Swap) (SH/567.32 PP): 27:31.466 (No Pit Stop)

Spoiler: Dodge Viper GTS '02 (SS/583.28 PP): 27:31.987

Spoiler: AMG Mercedes-AMG GT S '15 (SM/598.65 PP): 27:33.814

Spoiler: Honda NSX '17 (SM/597.45 PP): 27:35.752

Spoiler: Ferrari F430 '06 (SH/594.53 PP): 27:36.180

Spoiler: Honda 2&4 powered by RC213V (SS/599.10 PP): 27:36.287

Spoiler: Audi TTS Coupé '14 (Engine Swap) (SS/591.64): 27:36.581

Spoiler: Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary '88 (SS/579.07 PP): 27:38.586

Spoiler: KTM X-BOW R '12 (SM/592.81 PP): 27:40.136

Spoiler: AMG Mercedes-AMG C 63 S '15 (SS/586.53 PP): 27:40.927

Spoiler: Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione '08 (SS/579.75 PP): 27:42.353

Spoiler: ***NEW*** De Tomaso Pantera '71 (Engine Swap) (SS/581.70 PP): 27:43.961

Spoiler: Citroën GT by Citroën Road Car (SH/591.78 PP): 27:44.143

Spoiler: ***NEW*** Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat '15 (SH/596.91 PP): 27:44.219

Spoiler: ***NEW*** BMW 3.0 CSL '73 (Engine Swap) (SS/595.54 PP): 27:46.112

 

[engrmariano]

Any way you could share your tune for the Camaro ZL1 LE please? I wouldn't mind giving that car a try.

hey dude, i'm willing to share my setup but sadly it was nerfed on the latest update.

 

[mynameis66]

@Baka_Marimo thats a bit of a bummer,it really is poor how they dish out the engine tickets.

 

[Doncarlone]

I've been trying to retune my cars since this last nerf. One thing I found is equiping stock suspension and stock transmission results in a significant drop in PP for most cars.

 

[Doncarlone]

I've been trying to retune my cars since this last nerf. One thing I found is equiping stock suspension and stock transmission results in a significant drop in PP for most cars.

Another thing I found is the "transmission: manual" part sold in the tunning shop drops PP in comparison to the stock transmission.

 

[GTboyz]

13B Cappuccino is great but it's so instable under braking. Anyone have a great tune for it?

 

[breeminator]

I tried a few times with the fully adjustable suspension after doing this run, but this remains my fastest total race time with the F1 '94 that I was able to afford from the LCD for the first time yesterday. It was a no stop, using map 1 for the straight and map 3 for the rest of the track, with map 6 for the rest of the lap on the earliest laps, though I used map 1 on the first lap to try to get through the traffic. I shifted around 50-75% red bar when I wanted power, some shifts were earlier. I used TC2.

 

[Arkseven]

Ladies and gentleman, I'm happy to say that my GT-R R33 passed the 3.000 km mark thanks to this race!

I'll be honest: it's not a good "stock" car for this event.

Too much tire wear, it's very fast and it still need FM 2-3, a bit unstable exiting the corners...

Not very fun in stock, so what I'm going to do now is to use the same setup from the Evo V, like I was doing before: RH tires, ECU and WR 1/2. This setup is how I got sub-26 with the Evo and 27:05 with the R32/33. Yeah, I'll still be using them. What can I say? I just love those 90's JDM cars.

BUT, to be very honest, I'm enjoying more and more the cars that are more "intended" to be at this race. The Huracán, Audi R8, 458, Corvette C6/7, Viper... and most especially the Cayman GT4... they're so, so good to drive. It just feels right, you know?



@Doncarlone I think it's funny that on some cars the Sports Suspension gives 20pp more than the Fully Custom Suspension. Example: my R33 above with default suspension is at 584pp. With Sports, it goes to 601pp. With Fully Custom, 599pp.
That means I can simply buy the fully custom and copy the values from the sports supension if I want to, while still keeping that car at the 600pp limit.

 

[GTboyz]

Ladies and gentleman, I'm happy to say that my GT-R R33 passed the 3.000 km mark thanks to this race!

I'll be honest: it's not a good "stock" car for this event.

Too much tire wear, it's very fast and it still need FM 2-3, a bit unstable exiting the corners...

Not very fun in stock, so what I'm going to do now is to use the same setup from the Evo V, like I was doing before: RH tires, ECU and WR 1/2. This setup is how I got sub-26 with the Evo and 27:05 with the R32/33. Yeah, I'll still be using them. What can I say? I just love those 90's JDM cars.

BUT, to be very honest, I'm enjoying more and more the cars that are more "intended" to be at this race. The Huracán, Audi R8, 458, Corvette C6/7, Viper... and most especially the Cayman GT4... they're so, so good to drive. It just feels right, you know?



@Doncarlone I think it's funny that on some cars the Sports Suspension gives 20pp more than the Fully Custom Suspension. Example: my R33 above with default suspension is at 584pp. With Sports, it goes to 601pp. With Fully Custom, 599pp.
That means I can simply buy the fully custom and copy the values from the sports supension if I want to, while still keeping that car at the 600pp limit.

The Cayman GT4 is good? Is it stock?

 

[Arkseven]

The Cayman GT4 is good? Is it stock?

I like it a lot. It's very safe. Actually, almost all MR cars are pretty good right now.

What I like about the Cayman is that it has good fuel efficiency and tire wear which let me do 8 laps with Sports Medium tires and there's still 1 lap left of fuel.

I also like the sound and the interior. It's a pretty car.

 

[mynameis66]

Credit to @BWM for the idea,this is probably one of the last cars i would have chosen.lol.Mine need a fettle with the suspension,but im sure some of the better drivers can get a much quicker time than mine,this is a rocket on the straight but very unstable in the braking but i IMO think its easier to drive than the Mini with the civic engine.
I ran IM until the end of lap 7 then swapped to RM with a splash of fuel,i used TCS 5 and FM3 all race.Once the IM tyres start to wear on the dry track they feel pretty iffy.

 

[fastone371]

Credit to @BWM for the idea,this is probably one of the last cars i would have chosen.lol.Mine need a fettle with the suspension,but im sure some of the better drivers can get a much quicker time than mine,this is a rocket on the straight but very unstable in the braking but i IMO think its easier to drive than the Mini with the civic engine.
I ran IM until the end of lap 7 then swapped to RM with a splash of fuel,i used TCS 5 and FM3 all race.Once the IM tyres start to wear on the dry track they feel pretty iffy.View attachment 1197185View attachment 1197187View attachment 1197186View attachment 1197184

Why is it doing a wheelie??

 

[mynameis66]

Why is it doing a wheelie??

I dont know,its coming out of the tunnel where that slight incline is.It cant be down to ride height settings so i havent a clue,its just touching 200mph at that point.If im closer to the wall on the left it doesnt do it as much.

 

[jergto]

Yea I've done that wheelie in the TOMA too. Also in trial mountain, ALSO coming out of a tunnel in a much slower car. I wonder what it is coming out of tunnels and doing wheelies, maybe theres a down hill part where car can catch air?

 

[BWM]

More serious run with the RX Cappuccinos

Some adjustments in the setup and put wide body on.
And different approach (IM to RH)
Drove on water in the main straight to cool down left tires for more tire life.(No idea if it matters)
Didn't had much experience with lapped AI here and got suck a few times.
Got one sub 2 mins lap luckily. Better driver with better setup may do it consistently.



Porsche VGT spyder

Similar Performance to the coupe.
Played with different setup. More rear weight and some rear toe out for more oversteer to add some Porsche flavor to it.
Felt more comfortable this way.

 

[Razgriz2118]

I'm stunned by the pace of the '11 Aventador. It took me quite a lot of work to refine the setup to sub 26:20 (added around 15m to my credit balance). This was a no-stop, shifting at the start of the red bar, and with some use of higher fuel map, e.g. map 1 for the straight and map 3 for the rest of the lap for some laps. I also used TC3, I found that it gave me a really nice controlled slide when accelerating out of the final hairpin. This is the fastest non-VGT road car time I've done with a non-exploit tune (stock suspension).

The screenshot shows brake balance 0, but I had it all the way to the rear.

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Does this tune still work? Considering it's stock suspension I'd assume it still does?

 

[breeminator]

Does this tune still work? Considering it's stock suspension I'd assume it still does?

It's slower now. The diff settings were subtracting a lot of PI, so it needs changes to lower the PI now, such as reduced power. I tried to get it back to around 26:20, but I think the best I managed was 26:39 before moving on to other cars.

 

[BWX]

Ferrari F12 is a nice handling car around there. Can leave it basically stock with power limit or tune it with suspension/ brakes/ aero.

 

[engrmariano]

Silvia S13 LS7 swapped

 

[mynameis66]

More serious run with the RX Cappuccinos
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Some adjustments in the setup and put wide body on.
And different approach (IM to RH)
Drove on water in the main straight to cool down left tires for more tire life.(No idea if it matters)
Didn't had much experience with lapped AI here and got suck a few times.
Got one sub 2 mins lap luckily. Better driver with better setup may do it consistently.



Porsche VGT spyder
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Similar Performance to the coupe.
Played with different setup. More rear weight and some rear toe out for more oversteer to add some Porsche flavor to it.
Felt more comfortable this way.

I`ve no chance of matching your laptimes but your tune seems pretty stable so i`ll give it a run later,i`ll also try your pit strategy of RH instead of RM.
Hopefully PD wont see people having fun with a car and nerf it later.

 

[fastone371]

I can't believe how pathetic I am. After a month of driving the Tomohawk I completely forgot how to drive the AM DP100. 3 races in and my best lap is a high 2:06 so far, I usually run a 2:04 best lap and even a few 2:03's, I don't think there has been a physics or tire change in 1.23 and my tune is still the same at 599 pp.

 

[p78]

@fastone371 Lol same here, had so many penalties that i only had a 5 sec lead to the second one.

 

[SPL170db]

Just did the race with a tweaked Audi R8 '08. Not a cakewalk, but manageable.

 

[BWM]

Curious about the tire saving thing and did two runs in my golf

Tire wear right before finish
1.Stay on dry as much as possible

2.Drove on some wet patches, the long straight, between turn 2 & 3 and some little puddles near the wall (Mainly the left side wheels)

Not very scientific but I push as hard as I could on both runs.
Not very useful information unless who are weird like me running FFs in this event

 

[engrmariano]

enough cappuccino for me, just want try if it’s possible to over lap the entire field.

25:25 and 1:57

 

[shadow0460]

Another thing I found is the "transmission: manual" part sold in the tunning shop drops PP in comparison to the stock transmission.

It also takes a lot longer to shift gears. Instead of the click click click from the racing transmission, you can see and feel the clutch slipping.

For the record, I tried the Cappuccino, the AI kicks it around like a rag doll. Back to the Lambo...

 

[shadow0460]

Just scored a win in a 1966 Ford GT. It is much closer than the Lambo but the car is a lot more stable on the road due to being able to fit intermediate tires. The track's wet anyway, so why not? You get better grip than any sports tire, which is what's affecting everything else.
Tune? I bought all three sets of Sports tires, RH, IM, and W tires, ballast, and a restrictor. You can buy more if you want, just don't buy the wide body, weight reduction, or permanent engine upgrades. Alternately you can run a second nearly identical car and buy all of those for it.
Don't bother with in race settings. Set assists to your preference, I had them all on.
Fit the IM tires and the restrictor. Adjust the restrictor so that you meet the PP. Remove the IM tires and install W tires. Do not take advantage of the PP adjustment! Instead, go race.
Pit once at the end of lap 6 when the crowd does. Have the IM tires installed and take on only enough fuel to get six more laps.
That's it. Expect an 0.5 to 3 second win on easy, more if you're competent, less if you're a klutz (like me). In that case, be sure to wave at Valerio or Adam as they blaze on by.