The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars
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So, I've seen many people share their opinions on cars they used for the event and strategies, so I thought I'd jump on the bandwagon and share my overall thoughts on what cars I personally think are good and what aren't.
Bit of a premise, I made this list of cars based on some requirements:
Mercedes A45 AMG: Understeer engineering
Where to start with this one... this car is a bit of a disappointment. On the main straight, this car can reach a top speed of about 300 km/h, which is ok, though in 6th and especially 7th gear it struggles to get there; while you do feel the effect of the turbo on the car, it feels like it's not enough to push it through the uphill section of the main straight past the start/finish line, you can feel it struggling, though it does reach a peak of 300 km/h before the massive braking zone for T1, which is a plus for me, although overall you lose a bit on the NSX and the GT-R on the straight.
On the rest of the track, as the title says, this car understeers. A lot. It's especially felt on fast corners like T3 and T4, with the car struggling to gain traction and try to stay on the line. The understeer is also felt when accelerating from the hairpin made of turns 14 and 15. Short shifting and modulating power do help, but you are going to pay precious time because you are going to cut some power due to the two reasons above.
Fuel and tyre economy wise, the car is ok - since it's turbocharged, it does consume more fuel than other entries on this list, but it's nothing out of the ordinary. For what concerns the tyres, it's nothing special also here, although I did feel them to be more worn out than the other 4WD car on this list, but not by much.
Lap times wise, as you may have guess, this car is nothing special - I was able to lap the track on average with medium/low 2:13s, though with practice I may have gotten a 2:12 but I didn't want to do that race with it again.
Final thoughts: avoid this car, there are way better candidates unless you find a better tune for it that solves the understeer without sacrificing straight line speed.
Will post more tomorrow, hope there small reviews might be useful to some people ^_^
Bit of a premise, I made this list of cars based on some requirements:
- Every car reaches 600pp by having medium tyres on and every possible aero component+wide body, which is, I think, one of the ways the developers thought people would take on this race;
- My opinion is based on a one stop strategy, so I've considered fuel economy and how good a car is with tyre wear in my final judgement on the car's performance;
- Lap times will also play a role on what I think about the car.
Mercedes A45 AMG: Understeer engineering
Where to start with this one... this car is a bit of a disappointment. On the main straight, this car can reach a top speed of about 300 km/h, which is ok, though in 6th and especially 7th gear it struggles to get there; while you do feel the effect of the turbo on the car, it feels like it's not enough to push it through the uphill section of the main straight past the start/finish line, you can feel it struggling, though it does reach a peak of 300 km/h before the massive braking zone for T1, which is a plus for me, although overall you lose a bit on the NSX and the GT-R on the straight.
On the rest of the track, as the title says, this car understeers. A lot. It's especially felt on fast corners like T3 and T4, with the car struggling to gain traction and try to stay on the line. The understeer is also felt when accelerating from the hairpin made of turns 14 and 15. Short shifting and modulating power do help, but you are going to pay precious time because you are going to cut some power due to the two reasons above.
Fuel and tyre economy wise, the car is ok - since it's turbocharged, it does consume more fuel than other entries on this list, but it's nothing out of the ordinary. For what concerns the tyres, it's nothing special also here, although I did feel them to be more worn out than the other 4WD car on this list, but not by much.
Lap times wise, as you may have guess, this car is nothing special - I was able to lap the track on average with medium/low 2:13s, though with practice I may have gotten a 2:12 but I didn't want to do that race with it again.
Final thoughts: avoid this car, there are way better candidates unless you find a better tune for it that solves the understeer without sacrificing straight line speed.
Will post more tomorrow, hope there small reviews might be useful to some people ^_^
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The Tomahawk X made it boring anyways, shouldn't have been in the franchise in the first place because once it was in GT7, It became a perfect car for cheaters, And I don't think it should be in Gran Turismo 8 at all because people could do the same exploit again and again. It should remain useless to prevent it from happening again. Because if the car was real, Most drivers would die from driving the car And that's exactly why you should never raise a Tomahawk X unless you're on Special Stage Route X for testing speed where it belongs. Also, races in real life are regulated so That's why new races have restrictions because races in real life are all restricted. They should never have races where you can use any car you want. In real life, You have to conform to regulations in quarter to race, And if you don't, they won't let you in.And if you don't, they won't let you in.
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It is a game and not a real life.
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Yeah, it is a game, but VGT cars should stay just VGT, and not be a part of any racing except custom lobbies... Those cars made huge mess in the game from the beginning... People forgot how OP were Peogeout VGT Gr.3 and VW VGT Gr.3, not to mention stupid imaginary hybrids in GR.1... All this begun long time ago, yet was really kicking in GTS... And then, first week of daily races in GT7, people experimwnting with all kind of cars on Deep Forest, was fun until again a VGT car came by (yes I know this one is real but still)...
And at the end, people complaining about transmission exploit, my first solution was simple, when exchanging transmission to any other (be it custom or any of short ratio ones) PP is calculated for new transmission and is fixed, no matter if transmission has custom set gear ratios... And viola, we got it, now people again complain...
Race what ever you want with what ever you wish, I personally raced this race in so many different cars I lost count... All videos that I posted are basically simple setups with not much going on, and are all no stoppers... Yes I know this won't be for everyone (especially people that use AT), but there is something for everyone... I will keep on bringing more cars to the table...
Basically for anyone out there, if the car can with simple mods (little bit of power) and sports hard tyres reach anything between 570-630PP, that car can be used with small adjustments in this race. Bigger modifications are to the power, more fuel it'll consume, bigger the engine, more fuel it'll consume, heavier the car is, tyres will suffer more...
Out of all cars that I've tested up until now, BAC Mono is great one to race with and it is not that expencive, I am also testing cars that AI are using, basically all can be driven without huge modifications... And almost all cars that I use don't have weight reduction nor aero parts...
If you have any suggestion what car to try out and post results, please be free... However, I will check that A45 AMG just to be sure it's not that bad as stated...
So once more:
And at the end, people complaining about transmission exploit, my first solution was simple, when exchanging transmission to any other (be it custom or any of short ratio ones) PP is calculated for new transmission and is fixed, no matter if transmission has custom set gear ratios... And viola, we got it, now people again complain...
Race what ever you want with what ever you wish, I personally raced this race in so many different cars I lost count... All videos that I posted are basically simple setups with not much going on, and are all no stoppers... Yes I know this won't be for everyone (especially people that use AT), but there is something for everyone... I will keep on bringing more cars to the table...
Basically for anyone out there, if the car can with simple mods (little bit of power) and sports hard tyres reach anything between 570-630PP, that car can be used with small adjustments in this race. Bigger modifications are to the power, more fuel it'll consume, bigger the engine, more fuel it'll consume, heavier the car is, tyres will suffer more...
Out of all cars that I've tested up until now, BAC Mono is great one to race with and it is not that expencive, I am also testing cars that AI are using, basically all can be driven without huge modifications... And almost all cars that I use don't have weight reduction nor aero parts...
If you have any suggestion what car to try out and post results, please be free... However, I will check that A45 AMG just to be sure it's not that bad as stated...
So once more:
- Sport Hard Tyres
- PP between 570-630 with small modifications
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Yes 549pp
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I had fun with it, yeap it is a bit untamed but I slapped on this one aero front and rear, did a widebody (one can go without it) and it drives pretty much OK, any changes to Diff or suspension will eat front tyres, and if you go for different power distribution, you are provoking it yet again... try this setup, as I said I had fun with it...So, I've seen many people share their opinions on cars they used for the event and strategies, so I thought I'd jump on the bandwagon and share my overall thoughts on what cars I personally think are good and what aren't.
Bit of a premise, I made this list of cars based on some requirements:
So, let's go with the first one of the bunch:
- Every car reaches 600pp by having medium tyres on and every possible aero component+wide body, which is, I think, one of the ways the developers thought people would take on this race;
- My opinion is based on a one stop strategy, so I've considered fuel economy and how good a car is with tyre wear in my final judgement on the car's performance;
- Lap times will also play a role on what I think about the car.
Mercedes A45 AMG: Understeer engineering
Where to start with this one... this car is a bit of a disappointment. On the main straight, this car can reach a top speed of about 300 km/h, which is ok, though in 6th and especially 7th gear it struggles to get there; while you do feel the effect of the turbo on the car, it feels like it's not enough to push it through the uphill section of the main straight past the start/finish line, you can feel it struggling, though it does reach a peak of 300 km/h before the massive braking zone for T1, which is a plus for me, although overall you lose a bit on the NSX and the GT-R on the straight.
On the rest of the track, as the title says, this car understeers. A lot. It's especially felt on fast corners like T3 and T4, with the car struggling to gain traction and try to stay on the line. The understeer is also felt when accelerating from the hairpin made of turns 14 and 15. Short shifting and modulating power do help, but you are going to pay precious time because you are going to cut some power due to the two reasons above.
Fuel and tyre economy wise, the car is ok - since it's turbocharged, it does consume more fuel than other entries on this list, but it's nothing out of the ordinary. For what concerns the tyres, it's nothing special also here, although I did feel them to be more worn out than the other 4WD car on this list, but not by much.
Lap times wise, as you may have guess, this car is nothing special - I was able to lap the track on average with medium/low 2:13s, though with practice I may have gotten a 2:12 but I didn't want to do that race with it again.
Final thoughts: avoid this car, there are way better candidates unless you find a better tune for it that solves the understeer without sacrificing straight line speed.
Will post more tomorrow, hope there small reviews might be useful to some people ^_^
P.S.: ...video is maybe still uploading, or higher res video processing
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Well, from the looks of it, your setup looks way more understeery than the stock one, on lap 2 I was able to take T5 and T6 way faster.
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So, you didn't try it... I found this car to be pretry easy to drive vs some other that I've tested... And it can do no stop without a problem...
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That is a pretty long word salad answer to not even make a valid point. I have said it many times before, the Tomahawk should be for offline use only, that fixes that so called "cheating" problem.
You do know that GT7 is not real life racing, right? Other things that don't resemble real life racing, penalties served in the middle of the fastest part of the track, that never happened or will happen in real life racing because people could die too. People punting you off track in braking zones in lobbies, wouldn't that be cheating? People intentionally spinning you in races, more cheating. Blocking? More cheating. There are so many other glaring issues that it's hard to believe that you are serious about the Tomahawk. The Tomahawk in a changing conditions race at Tokyo that was twice as fast as the other cars was anything but boring if you took it seriously and tried to run clean races and fast lap times. I could easily have made it boring by pumping out 1:20 lap times but my goal was to put down my fastest lap and best race time everytime I ran the race along with making a few extra credits because PD has the economy so out of whack in this game. So once again, if the Tomahawk is only available offline to race it hurts nobody, it won't even kill the driver because it's only a game. Ironically the week after killing the Tomahawk grind Kaz tells us that he doesn't want us grinding for credits, he wants us to drive all of the cars and enjoy them then PD chooses to put $44 million worth of new cars in the legendary market the next few days. How can we "enjoy all of the cars" if we can't afford buy them?
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You can afford them, it just will take more time to do so.
If the intention wasnt 3 million per hourd but instead only half of that, so be it.
But this is a neverending discussion, so we all should just go on with whatever way we now choose.
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I did, but I still found the problem to be more car related than setup related honestly, there are other cars that are just better. Plus, having a top speed which is 20 km/h lower than the setup I've used is something I personally prefer avoid, though that comes down to personal preference.
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So, time to go with my second review I guess:
Maserati Granturismo S: a surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one
As the title says, this car is a pleasant surprise, though not the first one I got when trying cars around for this event. First of all, the car handles really well, the best of the bunch, with medium tyres I was able to take T3 at 220 km/h, which is more than every other entry on this list - and the better handling also goes for the rest of the track, if you can keep it in check, this car will give you a lot of enjoyment. Of course, since it's a rwd car, and one with lots of torque too, you need to have a good throttle control to tame it, otherwise you are just going to spin as hard as a disc, but if you do have it, then be sure you are going to have 30 minutes of fun. The car has, however, also a pretty big downside, that being 5th gear: you need to overrev 4th gear quite a lot in order to get enough RPMs from 5th for how long it is, otherwise you are not really going to have much power on the straight. Another problem of 5th gear is, because of said length, top speed: at most I've been able to top at 295 km/h but nothing more, so that's quite the downside. At least low gears, combined with the good torque, give this car a very nice acceleration which is helpful overall. Brakes are also good, though nothing special.
In terms of fuel economy and tyre wear, this car is also amazing, despite having a big chonky V8 in the front, the lack of forced induction really helps with fuel management, which is huge. The lack of AWD and also any form of understeer also helps with tyre management, though that is if you are able to not have the rear go completely free and slide around like crazy.
I think you could also go for a no stopper even on mediums with this car for how good it is, though, again, be careful on how you manage your rear tyres, throttle control is needed because of the torque this car has.
The lap times I've been able to achieve aren't that amazing - my best was a 2:11.3, which could have been way better if the car had a better 5th gear, but that's how it is atm. At least the handling is good so you are actually going to gain a lot in the technical section of the track.
Final thoughts: this car is fun. Pretty damn fun, and it's also easy to go for a no stopper if you want to. Absolutely recommended, though it's not the fastest.
Tomorrow, there is going to be a review of my favourite car for this event I've tried thus far...
Maserati Granturismo S: a surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one
As the title says, this car is a pleasant surprise, though not the first one I got when trying cars around for this event. First of all, the car handles really well, the best of the bunch, with medium tyres I was able to take T3 at 220 km/h, which is more than every other entry on this list - and the better handling also goes for the rest of the track, if you can keep it in check, this car will give you a lot of enjoyment. Of course, since it's a rwd car, and one with lots of torque too, you need to have a good throttle control to tame it, otherwise you are just going to spin as hard as a disc, but if you do have it, then be sure you are going to have 30 minutes of fun. The car has, however, also a pretty big downside, that being 5th gear: you need to overrev 4th gear quite a lot in order to get enough RPMs from 5th for how long it is, otherwise you are not really going to have much power on the straight. Another problem of 5th gear is, because of said length, top speed: at most I've been able to top at 295 km/h but nothing more, so that's quite the downside. At least low gears, combined with the good torque, give this car a very nice acceleration which is helpful overall. Brakes are also good, though nothing special.
In terms of fuel economy and tyre wear, this car is also amazing, despite having a big chonky V8 in the front, the lack of forced induction really helps with fuel management, which is huge. The lack of AWD and also any form of understeer also helps with tyre management, though that is if you are able to not have the rear go completely free and slide around like crazy.
I think you could also go for a no stopper even on mediums with this car for how good it is, though, again, be careful on how you manage your rear tyres, throttle control is needed because of the torque this car has.
The lap times I've been able to achieve aren't that amazing - my best was a 2:11.3, which could have been way better if the car had a better 5th gear, but that's how it is atm. At least the handling is good so you are actually going to gain a lot in the technical section of the track.
Final thoughts: this car is fun. Pretty damn fun, and it's also easy to go for a no stopper if you want to. Absolutely recommended, though it's not the fastest.
Tomorrow, there is going to be a review of my favourite car for this event I've tried thus far...
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Is the ferrari gto from the LCD any good in this race?
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My advice is to usually avoid old cars on this race - from experience, they tend to not have grip at all, or if they do, it's ridiculously low.
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There is no doubt the Aston DP 100 is very fast in this race. I have run as fast as a 2:08 with it so far and finishing just over 1 minute ahead of second place. I have done the race 6 times with this combo so far and have not had a race with at least 1 penalty so it can go quicker. The worst thing is you get up to the GTR in 2nd or 3rd very quickly and he very aggressive, I think he has hit me every race so far, he will likely hit you if you get past him at some point so you gotta watch behind you until you build up a gap. Great call on this car!!!
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One of my favourite cars to farm tokyo wtc 600pp is mustang boss 429. Tuned to its max it does 330km/h in the long straight
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I mean, I was mostly referring to cars such as the Camaro Z28 or the Ferrari 308 GTB, the Chaparral has more aero than some gr.2 cars so it should come to no surprise it's good.
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Not doubting the straight line speed, but I was mostly referring to grip and traction, especially since I always drive with assists off.
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So, it's another day, thus it means it's time for another review:
Chevrolet Corvette C7: the GOAT
So, why the title? What's so special about this car? So, first and foremost, this car has all the qualities the Maserati has: decently good brakes, good handling, and slightly worse acceleration. But there is more to that: first of all, despite having 460 horsepower instead of the Maserati's 535, it has more than 100nm of torque compared to it, making its acceleration way better. Then we have the traction, which is bonkers especially for a car with that much torque and rwd, which is another nice surprise this car has. And, last but not least, top speed: the highest I was able to achieve was 316 km/h which, again, it's very fast down the main straight of this track, and it achieves this despite being the least powerful of the cars I've tried! One more strong point over the Maserati is that its 5th gear is slightly shorter, so you don't need to overrev 4th in order to get something out of it. So, this car is good in the technical part of the track, is good on the straight, what's its downside? Well... none. This car is just good, and you will be able to reach the NSX in P1 at lap 4 and take 1st for yourself just like that.
But, you may ask, since it has a 6.2 liters American V8, it must have a bad fuel economy, right? Quite the contrary, it's actually very good. Just like the Maserati, you could go for a no stopper race easily with this car, that's what the lack of fuel injection does to you. Same for tyres, this car is just good with it. Plus, with it having more traction (and less wheelspin in general), they wear down even less than you would expect from it. So it's just that good.
Lap times wise, as you may have guessed it's fast. And I'm talking 2:09 kind of fast, and even a 2:08.9 if I were to pull a good lap out of it without slipstream. No other car I've tried thus far for this event is this fast around this track.
There is also an hidden aspect I usually don't focus on but imo it's worth mentioning, and that is the overall cost of the car: I had to buy the other two, aka the A45 and the Maserati Granturismo, so the initial cost + upgrades are somewhat expensive, we are talking around more than 100k credits. The C7, however, is free since it's a prize car you get from the menu books, and the only cost it requires is wide body, aero stuff and medium tyres. And voilà, you are set up for the race in a car that can do 2:09 spending around 50k credits. You don't need to tune the engine up, nor to take weight up or down, it's just perfectly fit for 600pp.
Final thoughts: this is my #1 recommended car if you don't want to use AWD cars and you want to go with a "standard" choice of car, hands down. Performance and cost wise, you won't get many other cars that are this good (again, unless you are detuning a Chaparral 2J or an Aston Martin VGT), if you haven't already give this car a try, it's worth it.
Chevrolet Corvette C7: the GOAT
But, you may ask, since it has a 6.2 liters American V8, it must have a bad fuel economy, right? Quite the contrary, it's actually very good. Just like the Maserati, you could go for a no stopper race easily with this car, that's what the lack of fuel injection does to you. Same for tyres, this car is just good with it. Plus, with it having more traction (and less wheelspin in general), they wear down even less than you would expect from it. So it's just that good.
Lap times wise, as you may have guessed it's fast. And I'm talking 2:09 kind of fast, and even a 2:08.9 if I were to pull a good lap out of it without slipstream. No other car I've tried thus far for this event is this fast around this track.
There is also an hidden aspect I usually don't focus on but imo it's worth mentioning, and that is the overall cost of the car: I had to buy the other two, aka the A45 and the Maserati Granturismo, so the initial cost + upgrades are somewhat expensive, we are talking around more than 100k credits. The C7, however, is free since it's a prize car you get from the menu books, and the only cost it requires is wide body, aero stuff and medium tyres. And voilà, you are set up for the race in a car that can do 2:09 spending around 50k credits. You don't need to tune the engine up, nor to take weight up or down, it's just perfectly fit for 600pp.
Final thoughts: this is my #1 recommended car if you don't want to use AWD cars and you want to go with a "standard" choice of car, hands down. Performance and cost wise, you won't get many other cars that are this good (again, unless you are detuning a Chaparral 2J or an Aston Martin VGT), if you haven't already give this car a try, it's worth it.
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Well, I bought the gto and tried it on tokyo wtc 600pp. I flushed 3M down the toilet.
Horrible car, even compared with cars from its era like countach and testarossa. It has an acceptable straight speed (about 310km/h at the big straight). But its just way too slow on the rest of the track, even tuned.
Shouldnt have bought it
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