The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars
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Yeah I'm going to second that. Since the day the car got added it was always stable. @Tommy_D were you here when they added the car in update 1.20? I remember driving this Porsche so much. Back then the car would still be below 600pp even with Sports Soft tires and it was an absolutely beast. Stable, fast, good fuel efficiency and tire wear, literally fail-proof for this event. I think it's the safest Porsche to drive completely stock.
I have almost 3.000 km on this car and I'm pretty sure 99% of that distance is by racing in Tokyo.
The funny thing is that when the car got announced I hate it so much. Why the hell PD would add a car that is already present in the Gr.4 class? "It's the same car!".
Thankfully, it's not the same car! It's a very pretty, classy and powerful car that can do pretty much anything.
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I got in to GT7 in late September of last year, so I started on v1.25. My only experience with the Cayman GT4 was with the time trial a month or so back on the Nurburgring GP track. Man, the car sucked on that track. I suppose it was stable, as far as Porsches go, but it was nothing like it is here on Tokyo. The only reason I tried it was because I won a 6* (parts) ticket last night for trying the truck. It spit out Titanium Connecting rods for the Cayman. When I checked the PP on it, I added some extra parts and gave it a test. Sure enough, it drove really well.Yeah I'm going to second that. Since the day the car got added it was always stable. @Tommy_D were you here when they added the car in update 1.20? I remember driving this Porsche so much. Back then the car would still be below 600pp even with Sports Soft tires and it was an absolutely beast. Stable, fast, good fuel efficiency and tire wear, literally fail-proof for this event. I think it's the safest Porsche to drive completely stock.
I have almost 3.000 km on this car and I'm pretty sure 99% of that distance is by racing in Tokyo.
The funny thing is that when the car got announced I hate it so much. Why the hell PD would add a car that is already present in the Gr.4 class? "It's the same car!".
Thankfully, it's not the same car! It's a very pretty, classy and powerful car that can do pretty much anything.
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Maserati A6GCS/53 Spyder '54
27:23.947 Race Time
2:13.923 Fastest Lap
Not a very enjoyable car to drive. Lots of lift-off oversteer combined with no downforce makes for a tail end that can come around on you pretty quickly. This was my first race with it after a few test runs to sort out the suspension. Im sure there is a much better suspension tune and much better drivers that could take this car to a sub 27 minute race time, but it still wins the race.
18" wide/wide wheels, no aero
27:23.947 Race Time
2:13.923 Fastest Lap
Not a very enjoyable car to drive. Lots of lift-off oversteer combined with no downforce makes for a tail end that can come around on you pretty quickly. This was my first race with it after a few test runs to sort out the suspension. Im sure there is a much better suspension tune and much better drivers that could take this car to a sub 27 minute race time, but it still wins the race.
18" wide/wide wheels, no aero
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Even faster time.
CRB
Here is a gif I dont fear the AI or worry about losing the CRB I will pass them on any corner.
CRBHere is a gif I dont fear the AI or worry about losing the CRB I will pass them on any corner.
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Ford Mark IV Race Car '67
26:56.607 Race Time
2:10.477 fastest lap.
Not my cup of tea. Front end feels way too vague with these tires. Maybe more downforce or less power w/ better tires is the solution, but it works. My eyes are burning too much to try more tests, so I'm calling it a night.
17" wide wheels, no aero upgrades
26:56.607 Race Time
2:10.477 fastest lap.
Not my cup of tea. Front end feels way too vague with these tires. Maybe more downforce or less power w/ better tires is the solution, but it works. My eyes are burning too much to try more tests, so I'm calling it a night.
17" wide wheels, no aero upgrades
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Radical SR3 SL '13
27:12.616 race time
2:12.851 fastest lap
Inspired by the new TT challenge I gave this car a shot. Really fun car to drive. Reminds me of the Porsche 904 with its ability to have controlled slides. I'm sure there is a lot of time that can be made up with this car as I was stuck behind the Porsche for a few laps going partial throttle through the turns. I just used the same suspension setup I had for the Human Comedy race I did with it and it worked really well.
27:12.616 race time
2:12.851 fastest lap
Inspired by the new TT challenge I gave this car a shot. Really fun car to drive. Reminds me of the Porsche 904 with its ability to have controlled slides. I'm sure there is a lot of time that can be made up with this car as I was stuck behind the Porsche for a few laps going partial throttle through the turns. I just used the same suspension setup I had for the Human Comedy race I did with it and it worked really well.
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Maserati GranTourismo S '08
27:18.552 Race Time
2:10.754 fastest lap.
This car can do a no stop race and it may be slightly faster. Easy on tires and surprisingly fuel efficient. It's an okay car but nothing that will really make you excited to drive. I just decided to try it because I won a racing exhaust on the wheel tonight.
27:18.552 Race Time
2:10.754 fastest lap.
This car can do a no stop race and it may be slightly faster. Easy on tires and surprisingly fuel efficient. It's an okay car but nothing that will really make you excited to drive. I just decided to try it because I won a racing exhaust on the wheel tonight.
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Alfa Romeo 4C Gr.4 high rpm turbo SH tires, no pit
27:00.705 Race Time
2:11.753 Fastest Lap
Solid car. Very sure of itself. Nice to drive a properly tuned car. I didn't make any suspension adjustments. Just the big turbo and turned down the power until I hit 600pp.
27:00.705 Race Time
2:11.753 Fastest Lap
Solid car. Very sure of itself. Nice to drive a properly tuned car. I didn't make any suspension adjustments. Just the big turbo and turned down the power until I hit 600pp.
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Now that Ive been doing this race more and more I've been passing the AI on the brakes in to the chicane and on the brakes in to the fast left hander before you go up the hill. If you take them on the inside they generally hit the brakes in these locations.
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Overtakes that worked for me (or not)
(thanks GT Engine)
t1: depends on the car
t2: inside (early)
t3: inside (late)
t4: no, bad exit
t5: inside, AI will offer space
t6: inside, AI will offer space
t7: only on acceleration, dont go side by side into 8
t8: no
t9: inside (early)
to 10: acceleration
t10: inside (early)
t11: no
to 12: acceleration
t12: depends on the car
t13: go slighty wide, AI will offer space
straight: acceleration, denepnds on car.
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I agree with just about all of this. Here is how it usually goes for me:
T1: I can generally pass 2-4 cars on the brakes (lap 1). Take the inside line and stay tight against the wall. They go wide (except the Porsche. He's a bastard.)
T2: Stay tight to the inside and they go wide. Usually pass 1 on the exit.
T3: Agreed but you need good acceleration to set up for T4 properly. Not always the best option considering T4.
T4: Tough to pass on the outside (poor grip), but stay inside/mid-track for the setup to pass in to T5.
T5: Mid/Inside line, pass on the brakes. AI gets flustered.
T6: Inside line, on the gas early for a pass on acceleration
T7: If you hold a mid/inside line and carry a lot of speed out of 6 you can pass as you scrub off speed in to T8.
T8: Set up to pass on the outside as you accelerate out of the corner. Hug the outside wall on the exit.
T9: Hold the inside line (already set up from passing on T8) and pass as you scrub off speed on entry.
T10: Can't do it, never been able to do it, I don't know how the AI is so fast at this turn but so slow at the rest.
T11: Nope. Just hold a tight line and get on the gas early to pass on the straight towards the hairpin.
T12: Usually there is a pass on the brakes into the turn or holding a tight line and forcing the AI to go wide around the bend.
T13: Usually I'm not able to accelerate out of the hairpin as fast as the AI, likely due to the T12 setup. If the car is fast enough, I draft and pass on the main straight.
A lot of this depends on the car, though. The light weight cars that hold good corner speed but don't accelerate well struggle to pass at turns 2, 3, 6, 8, and 11. Mid speed cars with good handling can do pretty well but at times struggle at turn 6, 8, and 11. Cars like the Aston DP-100 can dominate at all these corners.
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Great suggestion of this car! I didn't even have it. I had other varieties of the 4C, but not the Gr. 4.
You're spot on, the handling is great with the default suspension. Really a joy to drive.
I had a 27:08 race time with a 2:10.9xx fastest lap
But what FM did you use? I ran FM1 but had to pit after lap 8 (probably could have gone 9) for some fuel, no tires.
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FM1 on the straight and FM3 on the rest. I didn't notice any significant speed difference with FM3 when stuck in traffic for the first 7 laps. This is one of those cars that has great handling but doesn't have the power to pass out of the corners, so turn 6, 8 and 11 unfortunately make for slow and annoying laps.
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So I tried something a little different. I used a Medium RPM Turbo instead of High RPM, which allowed me to add back a little power on the ECU. Also used a Fully Customizable Racing Transmission which only added 1-2 pp. This was before I read your reply above. The med. turbo is a bit more fuel efficient, and I was able to do a no-pit run, running FM1 on about 4 laps and FM2 on the rest.
I did a 26:58 with that setup, and you're a little faster, so I think you'd probably do 26:50 with no problem.
Just for fun I went back and tried the High RPM Turbo using your FM1/FM3 strategy. I did 27:07, basically the same as my 1st attempt with that setup.
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Ran the Porsche 904 again. 26:37 this time. Almost 20 seconds faster than my last race with it. Fastest lap of 2:08.272. Had to stop for new tires after lap 7 instead of no stopping like I did last time. Lots of fun with this car.
Then I ran it with the Aston Martin DP-100. The understeer completely ruins the driving experience, IMO. I don't care that it's faster than the Porsche, the Porsche is so much more fun to drive. 25:53 with a 2:04.996 fastest lap. Spun out once and the AI got in the way a lot.
Still looking for a better unicorn than the DP-100.
Then I ran it with the Aston Martin DP-100. The understeer completely ruins the driving experience, IMO. I don't care that it's faster than the Porsche, the Porsche is so much more fun to drive. 25:53 with a 2:04.996 fastest lap. Spun out once and the AI got in the way a lot.
Still looking for a better unicorn than the DP-100.
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The engine swapped Cupaccino, pre-update race times were 24.teens best lap 1.54, 1 stop, post update 24.30 so far, best lap 1.55, 2 stops. Start on IM, pit end of lap 2, RS, pit at end of lap 6, then RM till the end, really must make sure to stay on dry line but all of the cars are already behind you so you have a completely clear track. Laps 8-10 you will be lapping the field then its a clear track to finish. Car is way too difficult to drive starting on slicks and it appears if you start on a Sport tire that you can't swap to Race tires.
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Unfortunately, I don't have that engine to swap and getting an engine swap in the roulette wheel is just about impossible for me.
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Gave this car a shot. It's certainly a slippery one, which is fun, but I needed to make a couple suspension adjustments to help me with the weight transfer when scrubbing off speed on to the fast turns, like T4, T8 and T9. The back end kept wanting to come around on me. Reminded me of the Porsche 959. But I got that sorted out and it's a fun car to drive. I only managed a 26 flat in it and I needed to fuel save big time to do it with no stops. I wonder if I would be faster with 1 stop so I can run FM1 the whole time and change tires probably after lap 7. That may lead to faster lap times.
Anyway, thanks for the tune. I'll try it again tomorrow to see if I do better.
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Brappuccino still a blast to drive.
Used Sports Soft tires on that one. Tires can last until 8 laps.
Used Sports Soft tires on that one. Tires can last until 8 laps.
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If there is something broken in this game it is definitely the engine swap program. Unless people were able to get in on the engine ticket glitch I don't see how they would collect all (12 is it?) of the engines available to swap much less have multiples of each to try in other cars. At the rate that I win engines for swaps I would guess that I would need to play everyday for about 10 years to get engines to complete every swap. PD either needs to make them easier to win or make them an item that can be purchased. This is most definitely a failure on Polyphony's part that they put very little thought into.
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I did not benefit of the glitched tickets, and have not player between beginning of june and end of february, yet I have "a lot" of motors (which for the most part don't interest me).
It is as if PD knows what I don't want and keeps throwing it at me 🤣
No parts, motors, cars should be locked behind roulette luck.
It is as if PD knows what I don't want and keeps throwing it at me 🤣
No parts, motors, cars should be locked behind roulette luck.
Interesting that our experience is so different. That 25:31 race was with FM1 whole way through. One of the things Tokyo has taught me is to really keep the momentum going. So around the corners smoothly, always with a higher gear than I instinctively would (sometimes even two higher), absolutely no extra time on the brakes. So I drive through the mid section basically without gear change, with more of a tap on the brakes to settle the car on the right trajectory than actually scrubbing off speed. Not slow in, fast out, but rather keep it going, blip and flick the front to the optimum line, then early on back on the throttle because the higher gear won't let it get out of hand. Almost feels like a daily commute from time to time, but it's amazing how this super conservative style can be faster than (my own) time trial push to the limit. Case in point: just did my daily with F12 Berlinetta, decided mid way through to go for no stop, so eventually drove the whole lap on 7th gear with the only exceptions being T1-T2 (5th) and the hairpin (4th gear). Even then, I was only 1.2 seconds slower on a lap than my fastest lap while actually racing.
Back to the S1, that tail happiness on braking I agree on, especially over the little crest betweeen T8 and T9 if you're on the brakes going over it. I just adjusted to it rather than tuned it out. Most of my braking is so soft that the tail doesn't get upset, and sometimes I use that tendency to flick it more aggressively around the hairpin and power slide out like a rally car is supposed to be driven
Also, I put the replay of that 25:31 on open share, can be found in showcase with #tokyonoglitch.
PS. Funnily enough, the other car I've been tailoring for Tokyo lately is the 959! Not completely satisfied with the tune yet, but the car I like a lot. Down to 26:20 race time at the moment (1 stop).
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Okay, so that explains how you can run this race on FM1 the whole way. I'm shifting gears and keeping the revs up. I'll sometimes use the gear change to help rotate or settle the car on certain turns. If you are keeping it in 6th pretty much the whole way, I can see why your fuel consumption is better. Maybe I'm taking non-ideal lines through the turns, but there are times (this happens a lot with the DP-100) where the front end has absolutely no feel and I need to downshift to help the car rotate and other times where I take the same turn (turn 8 for example) and I can hold it in 5th gear with no downshift and just a little bit of dragging the brakes at the same speed. This Audi has a bit these same qualities, but not as extreme as the DP-100. I will admit that I did have fun downshifting to 4th (or was it 5th) on turn 9 to have the tail swing out and powerslide around that whole turn. I tried doing it every lap but sometimes it would work and other times it would partially work then the front would instantly grab and the car jerked around violently. It's not quite as predictable as the Porsche 904 in the sliding department, but still a fun ride. Im trying it again tonight to see if I can improve my time.Interesting that our experience is so different. That 25:31 race was with FM1 whole way through. One of the things Tokyo has taught me is to really keep the momentum going. So around the corners smoothly, always with a higher gear than I instinctively would (sometimes even two higher), absolutely no extra time on the brakes. So I drive through the mid section basically without gear change, with more of a tap on the brakes to settle the car on the right trajectory than actually scrubbing off speed. Not slow in, fast out, but rather keep it going, blip and flick the front to the optimum line, then early on back on the throttle because the higher gear won't let it get out of hand. Almost feels like a daily commute from time to time, but it's amazing how this super conservative style can be faster than (my own) time trial push to the limit. Case in point: just did my daily with F12 Berlinetta, decided mid way through to go for no stop, so eventually drove the whole lap on 7th gear with the only exceptions being T1-T2 (5th) and the hairpin (4th gear). Even then, I was only 1.2 seconds slower on a lap than my fastest lap while actually racing.
Back to the S1, that tail happiness on braking I agree on, especially over the little crest betweeen T8 and T9 if you're on the brakes going over it. I just adjusted to it rather than tuned it out. Most of my braking is so soft that the tail doesn't get upset, and sometimes I use that tendency to flick it more aggressively around the hairpin and power slide out like a rally car is supposed to be driven
Also, I put the replay of that 25:31 on open share, can be found in showcase with #tokyonoglitch.
PS. Funnily enough, the other car I've been tailoring for Tokyo lately is the 959! Not completely satisfied with the tune yet, but the car I like a lot. Down to 26:20 race time at the moment (1 stop).
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