The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[iMikeTheKing]

Gamescore and Gamertag will port over.

 

[Wardez]

Microsofts stocks just fell by 0.8%...

http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=SNE

And Sony's went up.

 

[Akira AC]

In what way does making the Xbox's first-party cash cow into a console-exclusive TV series indicate the presentation being rushed? Also, Halo 4 just launched 6 months ago, 343 as well as Microsoft is not going to announce a new game in such a short amount of time.

Add-on content, perhaps. A new game? Unless it's a remade Halo 2 I wouldn't expect that whatsoever.

In what way a TV series is relevant to a game console?

A TV series is irrelevant, is filling up content that a game should be filling up, not having content to showcase the thing .. says a lot.

 

[Wardez]

Microsoft has magnificent timing yet again:

From April 2012 to March 2013, the industry lost a total of 80,000 subscribers, according to Leichtman Research. That’s the first time the research company has ever seen subscriber losses over a 12-month-period, leading president Bruce Leichtman to this assessment:
"First-time ever annual industry-wide losses reflect a combination of a saturated market, an increased focus from providers on acquiring higher-value subscribers, and some consumers opting for a lower-cost mixture of over-the-air TV, Netflix and other over-the-top viewing options."
That’s quite a statement, especially considering that Leichtman has been an outspoken skeptic of the cord cutting phenomenon. In a 2010 New York Times story, he famously called cord cutters "really just a bizarre breed of people, usually in New York or San Francisco, who don’t watch a lot of television in the first place."

http://gigaom.com/2013/05/20/cord-cutting-q1-2013/

Not gonna appeal to gamers as much, not going to appeal to TV viewers as much. Well then, this will be an interesting one.

 

[Kitten]

http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=SNE

And Sony's went up.

Why did i not notice this, thanks for sharing.👍

 

[Famine]

I'm just curious how games rental services are going to deal with this.

I rent games from Lovefilm. The service is not expensive. If I rented XBO games, would they have to pay an unlock fee EVERY time - passing it onto the consumer no doubt by increasing the service cost - or would the consumer pay it on receipt of the game?

 

[Terronium-12]

In what way a TV series is relevant to a game console?

A TV series is irrelevant, is filling up content that a game should be filling up, not having content to showcase the thing .. says a lot.

In the same way making a comic book into a feature film is relevant: it expands the scope of the material. Same reason Halo has novels, books, soundtracks, comic books - because they sell.

And how do you know it's filling up content that a game should be filling up? Chances are it's going to be a broadcast just as any other TV show.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=SNE

And Sony's went up.

Of course the stocks went down. Everyone interested in the next xbox was watching the reveal. The stocks will be back up tomorrow. I have no idea just breaking the ice.

 

[VXR]

How could it be any clearer than Microsoft are using the biggest games event in just three weeks time to reveal more about the games?

 

[Wardez]

Just the fact that this even has to be asked is messing with my head right now, can't believe it.

If it's really not allowed, game rental services, and shops too, will have a tough time.

 

[Akira AC]

In the same way making a comic book into a feature film is relevant: it expands the scope of the material. Same reason Halo has novels, books, soundtracks, comic books - because they sell.

And how do you know it's filling up content that a game should be filling up? Chances are it's going to be a broadcast just as any other TV show.

You ignoring the "console" part of the "game console" bit, yes it might expand the universe by which Halo story develops, but is irrelevant for the game console, doesn't show anything, it has the same value of a CGI trailer. Just like the whole ... presentation thing.

 

[Robin]

I'm just curious how games rental services are going to deal with this.

I rent games from Lovefilm. The service is not expensive. If I rented XBO games, would they have to pay an unlock fee EVERY time - passing it onto the consumer no doubt by increasing the service cost - or would the consumer pay it on receipt of the game?

Also if you can install for the fee and never need the disk again what's stopping people renting and in essence keeping ton's of games? Maybe they will need specially made rental disks.

I'm betting this 'fee' is going to nearly be the RRP of a new game That way they can technically say 'see you can play used games' its probably going to be a dirty trick.

DRM is a big deal breaker for me, which ever ones has the least is the one I probably will go for.

 

[Mr Latte]

Best thing of the show for me was:



Think they are going in the wrong direction with the control the living room idea.
Smart TVs will continue to evolve and do many of the things they highlighted syncing with portable devices or phones and apps they offer.

Sure it is cool but whats wrong with just focusing on creating the most cutting edge games possible?
Does the PS4 walk over this on hardware specs I have no real idea from watching the show?

Sony do seem to of shown more stuff that was gamer focused in changing how we play games.

 

[Terronium-12]

You ignoring the "console" part of the "game console" bit, yes it might expand the universe by which Halo story develops, but is irrelevant for the game console, doesn't show anything, it has the same value of a CGI trailer. Just like the whole ... presentation thing.

I'm not ignoring anything. I'm just not bothered by something as inconsequential as a TV program. If they want to expand their franchise on their console then what difference does it make? Don't watch it, do watch it, it's not going to change anything.

It's also been made abundantly clear since 2005 that the Xbox wasn't going to be a simple video game console anymore. That may be the major attraction for those of us who want that to be the focus, but it's not the only focus.

 

[HKS racer]

I'm just curious how games rental services are going to deal with this.

I rent games from Lovefilm. The service is not expensive. If I rented XBO games, would they have to pay an unlock fee EVERY time - passing it onto the consumer no doubt by increasing the service cost - or would the consumer pay it on receipt of the game?

I guess you'll pay the same to the rent service, they won't see any Microsoft money. Once you insert the disk you'll probably be asked by MS to redeem a code in order to play the game, codes will be available on XBL.

I guess rent games shops will suffer.

 

[Famine]

Also if you can install for the fee and never need the disk again what's stopping people renting and in essence keeping ton's of games?

Also that.

I guess you'll pay the same to the rent service, they won't see any Microsoft money. Once you insert the disk you'll probably be asked by MS to redeem a code in order to play the game, codes will be available on XBL.

Either way, the rental services will see a huge drop off in customers - either in general because the prices go up or just of XBox renters and:

I guess rent games shops will suffer.

Official answers would be nice, but if I were Lovefilm I'd be preparing to drop my XBox stock and revenues by the end of the year.

Of course now MS have laid this groundwork, there's nothing stopping Sony doing the same (having spent 3 hours announcing a name)...

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

Interesting link about Online/used games

 

[Moglet]

A question to everyone complaining about the amount of 'extra stuff' in the console; how come it's fine for the PS3 to have so many on demand and rental services built in but not for the Xbox One?

 

[HKS racer]

there's nothing stopping Sony doing the same (having spent 3 hours announcing a name)...

That's my biggest fear.

 

[Wardez]

A question to everyone complaining about the amount of 'extra stuff' in the console; how come it's fine for the PS3 to have so many on demand and rental services built in but not for the Xbox One?

Because the PS4 gives you on-demand game and rental game services, not TV, music, and otherwise fluff.

 

[Akira AC]

A question to everyone complaining about the amount of 'extra stuff' in the console; how come it's fine for the PS3 to have so many on demand and rental services built in but not for the Xbox One?

Mostly the fact that other showcases doesn't use 9/10 parts of the presentation to showcase such services. And how it cleverly dodge the sensitive issues of backwards compatibility and used games that are being unveiled in the backdoor.

 

[Famine]

A question to everyone complaining about the amount of 'extra stuff' in the console; how come it's fine for the PS3 to have so many on demand and rental services built in but not for the Xbox One?

Because they're being silly.

You can't say it has too much stuff unless it's too expensive - too expensive being defined as "as expensive as buying standalone bits to do it". The PS3 came close to that on launch.

Concerns over where the focus of the device lies are apt though - PS3 was positioned as a games console that was also an entertainment hub. The other way about - and there's no reason to suspect it yet, besides it being a bit odd to talk more about the entertainment than the games at a product launch - is less good for gamers if the gaming suffers.

Because the PS4 gives you on-demand game and rental game services, not TV, music, and otherwise fluff.

PS3 has Lovefilm, Netflix, something else similar I don't remember the name of and "apps" (urgh... links to device-optimised sites) for BBC iPlayer, ITV player and 4OD. The latter three are TV channels - and you can watch live if necessary.

 

[Eks]

Wow. That FM5 trailer alone makes me want an Xbox One.

Console looks nice as well.

 

[daus26]

The fee makes sense business wise, but the games being tied to an account? That's just too much if you have relatives on another account using the same Xbox, but having to pay a fee just to play it on his/her account.

That said, are the installs mandatory? Perhaps, it won't be linked to your account if you didn't install it and played it off the disc.

 

[Spagetti69]

The fee makes sense business wise, but the games being tied to an account? That's just too much if you have relatives on another account using the same Xbox, but having to pay a fee just to play it on his/her account.

That said, are the installs mandatory? Perhaps, it won't be linked to your account if you didn't install it and played it off the disc.

Maybe a tie in to the box as well. So other accounts on your box will be fine?

I'm not for blocking used games but some shops have taken it too far. GAME used to sell used copy's for around £5 off top value.
Factor in the added cost of these AAA games and developers want to see a ROI. I wish there was a better way.

 

[Moglet]

I will admit that the focus of the presentation was rather worrying but they had new features that they wanted to show off and they did so. They knew that Sony hadn't shown anything physical so they went all out and showed off every new feature they had come up with. You've also got to consider the game devs in this; they will want to show off their own hard work at E3, not let Microsoft take the glory for a console announcement! They've teased us with a few clips and guess what? It's worked; people want to see more.

I agree that they seem to be dodging the pre-owned games issue, though, and that is somewhat worrying. I'm also not too happy about this 'install every game' thing as I like to get a new game and play it straight from the disc. I don't like installing games and I should be able to play it from the disc!

 

[iMikeTheKing]

No Backwards compatibility

 

[daus26]

Maybe a tie in to the box as well. So other accounts on your box will be fine?

That's definitely a fair solution. What I heard so far though, is that it'll be tied in to an account.

 

[MXH]

Interesting link about Online/used games

Can we expect an official statement regarding all that, anytime soon?

http://www.oxm.co.uk/54430/xbox-one...ox-live-accounts-but-theres-no-pre-owned-fee/ :

Xbox One games will require mandatory installation to the console's hard drive, Microsoft has confirmed, and will be locked to the account of a single user. Should a friend wish to play the same game, he or she'll need to pay an unspecified fee in order to install a separate version.

"On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play," a Microsoft representative told Wired today. This has been styled a "pre-owned block", but OXM's Jon Hicks (who's currently in Redmond, checking out the new console) argues otherwise - when you sell the game on Microsoft will deactivate your install via unspecified methods, meaning the next purchaser won't have to pay the second-user fee. You won't, however, be able to share a single copy of a game with your friends.

 

[Moglet]

No Backwards compatibility

It's good to hear that they're keeping support for the 360, in this case. 👍