The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[LaBounti]

The thing is, if you think a game that's exclusive looks fun & want to play it, you have to buy the console, so you end up buying it for the exclusives one way or another, or you end up missing out on games you wanted to play. So by that definition, doesn't everyone buy a console for the exclusives...?

No, not at all. No one can possibly know what new games will come on in a few years after a system launches. My perception hasn't chnaged since buying ym first system with my own money. Dreamcast when I was 20. I had no concpet of exclusives back then. I just saw a nice looking game like Ferrari 355 Challenge, Soul Caliber, NFL2K and didn't care what system it would come on as long as that system was available.

Early games draw you in to buy the system, other games will follow but you have no idea what else is coming out in a few years. Things are different now, Its about services and features that determine the value of a system purchase. Games will always be there.

 

[UKMikey]

I don't understand the 'console war' at all, just play the games you want to play, why do people feel the need to talk down to the other system/games just because they didn't choose to play them? Buy both systems & get the best of both worlds 👍

The thing is, if you think a game that's exclusive looks fun & want to play it, you have to buy the console, so you end up buying it for the exclusives one way or another, or you end up missing out on games you wanted to play. So by that definition, doesn't everyone buy a console for the exclusives...?

^This sounds like a no brainer to me and I've been playing games since the MegaDrive/SNES era.

 

[Brend]

Well, I'm not happy. Talked to my little brother, who is the Xbox fan of the house, and asked if he was gonna get a One...and he said probably not as he isn't impressed.

I'll just have to try my best to get him to like it so I can play Forza 5.

My plan is to buy the Wii U for next gen and then eventually when GT7 is announced a PS4.

 

[ibuycheap]

I don't know when this trend started but in my 28+ year gaming experiences I've never bought a system for it's exclusives. not SNES, Not N64, Not PS1, Dreamcast, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, PC.

Is this a trend the 20 something groups made up? Does one person say it then it feels like the right thing for everyone else to say? If you do it, that's you reasons but not everyone. I don't see it that way. I just enjoy games that I like.

This is exactly right.

The best selling games even on a single platform basis have been the COD and FIFA titles and they are multiplatform games. Exclusives don't sell systems yet people keep spouting it as fact.

 

[Spagetti69]

This is exactly right.

The best selling games even on a single platform basis have been the COD and FIFA titles and they are multiplatform games. Exclusives don't sell systems yet people keep spouting it as fact.

I would say exclusives sell to certain customers. I would say that's a fact too.

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

I have the exact same problem. I have always had problems with the PS2/PS3 controllers. The xbox and 360 controllers have been the most ergonomic for me. I can play for days without problems. I am sure they make xbox controllers for the PS3/PS4. I should invest in one of those.

You're welcome.
Now, that thing is great, but it can be laggy at times, so I wouldn't recommend it for anything other than single player, and even then, not for GT5 👎 because there's like a .1-.25 second delay sometimes, which can really 🤬 you up haha. But it's better than nothing.

No, not at all. No one can possibly know what new games will come on in a few years after a system launches. My perception hasn't chnaged since buying ym first system with my own money. Dreamcast when I was 20. I had no concpet of exclusives back then. I just saw a nice looking game like Ferrari 355 Challenge, Soul Caliber, NFL2K and didn't care what system it would come on as long as that system was available.

Early games draw you in to buy the system, other games will follow but you have no idea what else is coming out in a few years. Things are different now, Its about services and features that determine the value of a system purchase. Games will always be there.

Of course, but not everyone buys a system at launch either. I bought my PS3 when GT5 came out, so I had a good idea of what games were available for it. I see what you mean though, but it's starting to change.

You're exactly right that it's the services & features that are starting to make the difference now, and that's why I'm a little excited for the One. Always online/used games fiasco doesn't affect me at all (never buy used, am already always online ) so the new features interest me a lot. I don't know that I'll use a lot of them (multi-pane while watching movies I will use a lot) but they're interesting. And Kinect 2.0 is incredible, I'm very excited about the possibilities it opens up.

Ultimately, I'll be getting both a One and a PS4, so it really makes no difference to me in the end which has "more" or "better" games, because I'll be using both 👍

 

[ibuycheap]

I would say exclusives sell to certain customers. I would say that's a fact too.

Your missing the point but that is also true. The point is that exclusives are not a primary factor to customers overall in their console buying decision.

 

[bevo]

This is exactly right.

The best selling games even on a single platform basis have been the COD and FIFA titles and they are multiplatform games. Exclusives don't sell systems yet people keep spouting it as fact.

I don't buy that. Exclusives do sell a large portion if systems. The only reason I bought a PS3 was for socom and gt5. I know several others who bought 360s for halo. If halo had been a PS game the would have bought a PS3.

I also got into computer gaming just for iracing and other racing sims. Without them I would have never of bought a gaming PC. The reason games like FIFA and cod are the best selling games is because they are on both consoles.

In my experience exclusives sold almost every console I can think of. I had 6 or 7 friends who only bought a PS3 to play socom confrontation and it was the only game they owned for it. Once the new socom cane out and sucked the PS3s were never used again.

Halo is a huge seller for Microsoft. Probably more so than any other game made. If they lost halo alone I'm sure it would really hurt their sales. Maybe not as bad as it would have before cod got so big, but I bet there would be several million people who would go to Sony just to spite them for ending the halo series.

 

[ibuycheap]

I don't buy that. Exclusives do sell a large portion if systems.

That is how you made your decision but the statistics say otherwise. See COD sales and FIFA for example. (to clarify, they top the sales chart of the individual platform on a monthly basis.

 

[Tornado]

Statistics say that the top sellers are usually multiplatform games. It doesn't say that multiplatform games are why someone chooses one system over another.

 

[LaBounti]

I don't buy that. Exclusives do sell a large portion if systems. The only reason I bought a PS3 was for socom and gt5. I know several others who bought 360s for halo. If halo had been a PS game the would have bought a PS3.

I also got into computer gaming just for iracing and other racing sims. Without them I would have never of bought a gaming PC. The reason games like FIFA and cod are the best selling games is because they are on both consoles.

In my experience exclusives sold almost every console I can think of. I had 6 or 7 friends who only bought a PS3 to play socom confrontation and it was the only game they owned for it. Once the new socom cane out and sucked the PS3s were never used again.

Halo is a huge seller for Microsoft. Probably more so than any other game made. If they lost halo alone I'm sure it would really hurt their sales. Maybe not as bad as it would have before cod got so big, but I bet there would be several million people who would go to Sony just to spite them for ending the halo series.

This goes back to my "when did this trend start" If you read my list none of those games interest me. I didn't buy Xbox 360 for Forza, I didn't buy PS3 for GT5. I buy systems because I like games. Halo didn't sell 70milion for each version of that game on 360. It's a small % of gamers who only buy a single system for an exclusive game. If at any point they buy both systems exclusives no longer have any meaning. It doesn't matter anymore if you own both systems. Its then the services and features that you decide which one you prefer.

 

[ibuycheap]

Statistics say that the top sellers are usually multiplatform games. It doesn't say that multiplatform games are why someone chooses one system over another.

You don't have to read their mind to know why someone is doing something when looking at a population as a whole. It is clear by the sheer number of sales that multiplatform titles are the driver.

 

[Tornado]

What does that even mean? There has to be some reason that someone who owns neither system buys either a PS3 or 360. Multiplatform games aren't going to be that reason by themselves because by definition they are available on both so they are a selling point for both.

 

[ibuycheap]

What does that even mean? There has to be some reason that someone who owns neither system buys either a PS3 or 360. Multiplatform games aren't going to be that reason by themselves because by definition they are available on both so they are a selling point for both.

Just because there has to be a reason doesn't mean exclusives are that reason. If they were then they would sell far more copies. But they really don't.

 

[Tornado]

Define "far more copies." Forza, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, God of War and Halo are all franchises that sell many millions of copies on each release and are all heavily bundled with the respective systems when released.

What basis do you have to say that they don't sell systems to people who aren't sure which system to buy when they don't have either one, and what is it that makes people choose one system over another instead?

 

[Caz]

Off topic..

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I picked up the FUS1ON ps3 controller and love it. If they make one for the ps4 i will be buying one aswell.

Back to xbone chat:

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

In my case I got a PS1 because I really liked Road Rash 3d and it was only on the PS1. I got a PS2 because I really liked GT4 and it was only on the PS2. I bought an Xbox 360 because I really liked the online play of Forza 2. In all these cases I had played the games on someone elses system before buying the system myself.

The PS3 I bought because I had very high expectations for GT5.

In general I am a PC guy. If Forza was available for the PC then I would had never even considered buying an XBox at all. Same for the PS 1 2 3. If those games were on the PC then I would not have bought any of those consoles.

The bottom line is that the PC is stronger for gaming than any console and most games that are available for the PC are better on the PC than on the consoles not to mention the fact that I am a developer and have a few high end PCs to work with.

I was sad when EA stopped making some of their titles for the PC as I liked Madden NFL and Tiger Woods golf and the Golf especially was much much better on the PC as are many games.

So in my case the only reason to buy any console is for the games that console can play that can't be played on a PC or other console that I already own. In the case of the new XBox it would appear I will have to pass.

btw I also have big hands and hate the PS controller but then I use a wheel for racing so it doesn't matter

 

[Samus]

You don't have to read their mind to know why someone is doing something when looking at a population as a whole. It is clear by the sheer number of sales that multiplatform titles are the driver.

Multiplatform games are the driver for someone to purchase either a PS3 or 360 but by their very definition they can't be the thing that drives someone to buy one or the other. There has to be another factor that's impossible to know but I'm sure for many it's a mixture of cost, exclusive games and exclusive features. So for the last gen 360 had cost going for it for many people, the Blu-Ray drive may have been incentive for people to pick PS3 and if people were still not swayed by those the only major factor really left is exclusives. Oh, maybe the cost of XBL as well.

 

[Spagetti69]

I think brand loyalty and familiarity are a big part.

Early on I went into town with the sole purpose of buying a PS3. I had the PS1/2 and was all set on PS3. The staff at the time persuaded me to leave with an Xbox lol.

This was in the infancy of the PS3 and the staff asked me if I want a games machine or entertainment hub? PS3 Blu-Ray but very little games at the time. What games were available were £10 more.
Xbox had better online(it really did) and more games. I didn't regret my choice but knew inside that I would get a PS eventually, which I did and haven't regretted.

Oddly the roles seem at first glance to have reversed. X box seems to be the entertainment hub and PS game focused. It's early days and E3 will show a lot more.

As for exclusives as a selling point? hmm if my Fanatec wheel was compatable with the Xbox I would be in. So in effect an exclusive would have got me to bite. Looks like PS for me at the moment, but do my wheels G27 also work?

 

[Samus]

I did something very similar but it was my choice. The 360 was IIRC 100 quid cheaper at the time (2007) and the PS3 lineup wasn't great. I had a PS1/2 and the first Xbox was poor but 360 made most sense back then, finally I got PS3 in 2010.

I'm still not rolling in money so price is still going to be a big factor for me.

 

[MXH]

It’s also been stated that the Xbox One is ten times more powerful than the Xbox 360, so we’re effectively 40 times greater than the Xbox 360 in terms of processing capabilities [using the cloud]. If you look to the cloud as something that is no doubt going to evolve and grow over time, it really spells out that there’s no limit to where the processing power of Xbox One can go. I think that’s a very exciting proposition, not only for Australians, but anyone else who’s going to pick up the Xbox One console.

http://stevivor.com/2013/05/microsoft-xbox-australia-on-some-of-todays-lingering-xbox-one-questions/

Somebody, please, stop this neverending joke.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I wonder how they get that the so called 10 times more powerful = 40 times more powerful = unlimited?

I wonder what that makes my PC? The CPU is a lot faster than the XBOne, Storage space is a lot greater on board with a lot more on the local network and is connected to the cloud so I guess that means my PC is Unlimited power x 10 but yet there are lots of pc configurations out there that are much more powerful than mine.

Storage space could be virtually unlimited but storage and processing power are 2 very different things.

 

[dr_slump]

That was all I read and stopped. Credibility gone. Lag relies 100% on upload and download.

Anyone that tries to argue with this or does not comprehend the advantages of dedicated servers, should not reply at all.

You're wrong.

I wonder how they get that the so called 10 times more powerful = 40 times more powerful = unlimited?



I wonder what that makes my PC? The CPU is a lot faster than the XBOne, Storage space is a lot greater on board with a lot more on the local network and is connected to the cloud so I guess that means my PC is Unlimited power x 10 but yet there are lots of pc configurations out there that are much more powerful than mine.



Storage space could be virtually unlimited but storage and processing power are 2 very different things.

It's nonsense.

 

[chromatic9]

What do people feel about AA batteries again in the controller?

I prefer what modern gaming mouses do and the PS3 controller where its charged through the cable. I get a little tired of my 360 pad, removing rechargeble duracel AA batteries, swapping them over and plugging that in the wall each week.

I guess the plus side is should the battery fail you don't need to replace the controller or mouse but I think the battery life is shorter and the other way most of the industry do is much smarter design overall. AA/AAA Batteries in a mouse are awful. Same with a camera.

On my camera I have a CRV3 battery, it last twice as long as brand new AA batteries. Maybe some of you don't know but it can fit in the same space of AA batteries like in my camera. I think the Xbox one controller should at least double the option to having a CRV3, they really hold the charge too.

AA batteries seem so 90s to me with all the modern devices using better batteries. Man, AA batteries in 2020. Maybe the machine after the One, Xbox ultra cloud will stop using AA.

This is going off the info for Xbox One, I'm not 100% sure MS will even stick to AA come launch.

 

[Tornado]

It's probably just so Microsoft can charge $30 for a rechargeable battery pack and charge cable.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

What do people feel about AA batteries again in the controller?

I would not like it. I use a battery pack in my controller and have a charging cable adapter so I can plug it into the Xbox and keep playing while the battery charges.

 

[LaBounti]

The very reason my Xbox 360 sits for the last 6 months. I don't feel like buying batteries. Ah Forza Horizon how only played thee for 2 hours before the controller started flashing.

 

[Spagetti69]

The very reason my Xbox 360 sits for the last 6 months. I don't feel like buying batteries. Ah Forza Horizon how only played thee for 2 hours before the controller started flashing.

Man you must have money to burn.

 

[Phoenix]

Just gonna drop in here to say I was dissapointed of the presentation of the "Xbox One", and that I probably won't be getting it...

Unless of course Microsoft can show something about games that it can actually do.

 

[Imari]

It's probably just so Microsoft can charge $30 for a rechargeable battery pack and charge cable.

I do sort of have this feeling too, to be honest.