The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[LaBounti]

Man you must have money to burn.

Yeah, that $15 was a pocket burner. Got it in November on sale as an impulse buy. Otherwise would have not paid full price.

 

[F1 fan]

http://stevivor.com/2013/05/microsoft-xbox-australia-on-some-of-todays-lingering-xbox-one-questions/

From that article:

It’s designed to be an all-in-one games, TV and entertainment unit

This keeps coming up. How can it be considered an all in one unit when you still have to connect it to your cable box? Surely, all in one means that you wouldn't need the cable box in the first place? From what I gather, the Xbox one acts as an alternative interface for your tv... Because changing the channel is just too difficult.

And we have no idea how well this is going to work. How many cable boxes is this thing going to support? I'm not writing the Xbox one off, but this seems like one of those features that they should have mentioned briefly before moving on to something that the vast majority of their audience is actually interested in.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I don't know if this is true or just a rumor :

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/05/24/xbox-live-hacked-rumours-flood-the-internet-after-ominous-tweet-left-by-hacker/

The Twitter user also posted a 6.12 GB file that allegedly contains millions of Xbox Live users’ credentials as proof of their nefarious achievement.

“Today, Xbox Live has been brutally owned, in true-fashion,” the user begins before taunting a few of his hacking contemporaries and goading Sony, whose own online service PlayStation Network was hacked by members of the Lulsec group in April 2011, whom Reckz0r refers to as allies. “I brutally owned Xbox Live a few days ago, but I decided to dump all the super-dooper precious data

 

[Wardez]

Well, they're trying to one up stuff like Apple TV and Logitech Revue/Google TV.

I feel they're much less interested in competing with Sony on the gaming front this time. Again comes the idea of overconfidence. I think MS honestly believes that their video game portion is just going to take care of itself because they've felt they've won seventh gen.

I have a strong feeling the Xbone's gonna be priced shockingly cheap. Maybe $400, or crazily enough, $350. Then they can go for an even more aggressive loss-leader strategy and resort to making money off of all kinds of crazy micro-transactions, subscriptions, and optional features.

One thing I do have to say now though... I know a lot of people aren't too keen on the way this thing looks, but I have to admit I think it looks awesome, sleek in a different way, sexy even. But I do have weird sensibilities.

 

[Musolini187]

1-nes/master system, 2-snes/genesis/neogeo, 3-psx/saturn/u64/3do/jaguar,
4-dc/ps2/xb/gc, 5-ps3/360/wii(and)u.

5 gens. 6 if we count the atari and comodore 64 that came before the nes and master system. 7 gens you say, which gen am I missing in this list?

 

[F1 fan]

I don't know if this is true or just a rumor

A little digging seems to suggest it was a rumour.

Well, they're trying to one up stuff like Apple TV and Logitech Revue/Google TV.

I feel they're much less interested in competing with Sony on the gaming front this time. Again comes the idea of overconfidence. I think MS honestly believes that their video game portion is just going to take care of itself because they've felt they've won seventh gen.

That's a pretty big gamble on Microsoft's part. The reaction to the announcement has been quite poor. I understand that they want to expand but I think they're going the wrong way about it. Recent trends show that people are starting to move away from subscription TV towards on demand services. I cut down on my tv subscription recently. I only have two pay channels at the moment. One for F1 and one for Motogp. I also subscribe to Hulu and I'm very pleased with that service. For 1000¥ per month ($9.77), I get access to a lot of content. The fact that one Hulu account can be used simultaneously on multiple devices is a big plus too. The only thing lacking from my current tv setup is news(in english at least), however, there are a variety of online news providers. I'm sure I'll be able to access them on the big screen via a PS4.

Now, I'm aware that people have very different TV watching habits than I do, but currently, between my PS3 and the two tv channels I subscribe to, I'm covered. I can only imagine that the PS4 will enhance my tv experience. Of course, an Xbox one would also enhance that experience, but microsoft are making quite a big deal about the TV portion of the Xbox one, whereas Sony aren't.

I agree that they're coming across as overly confident. This is a bold move. I have a feeling it will tank, but it's early days yet. There is plenty of time for more redeeming features to be unveiled.

I have a strong feeling the Xbone's gonna be priced shockingly cheap. Maybe $400, or crazily enough, $350. Then they can go for an even more aggressive loss-leader strategy and resort to making money off of all kinds of crazy micro-transactions, subscriptions, and optional features.

The way I see it right now, the ball is in Sony's court. Microsoft can probably win support by announcing a low price, but there will always be subscription fees. If Sony are prepared to come close to the pricing that MS offer while maintaining the free subscriptions, MS are going to look bad.

One thing I do have to say now though... I know a lot of people aren't too keen on the way this thing looks, but I have to admit I think it looks awesome, sleek in a different way, sexy even. But I do have weird sensibilities.

While I'm aware that the system aesthetics are a concern for some, they aren't for me. It's just another box that will be going under my TV.

1-nes/master system, 2-snes/genesis/neogeo, 3-psx/saturn/u64/3do/jaguar,
4-dc/ps2/xb/gc, 5-ps3/360/wii(and)u.

5 gens. 6 if we count the atari and comodore 64 that came before the nes and master system. 7 gens you say, which gen am I missing in this list?

You're a little bit off in your gaming history there. Here is a fairly comprehensive guide.

Edit:

Funny parody from Machinima. Language warning (links to youtube)

The DRM bit had me in stitches.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

1-nes/master system, 2-snes/genesis/neogeo, 3-psx/saturn/u64/3do/jaguar,
4-dc/ps2/xb/gc, 5-ps3/360/wii(and)u.

5 gens. 6 if we count the atari and comodore 64 that came before the nes and master system. 7 gens you say, which gen am I missing in this list?

You are missing the first to gens

Gen 1 Coleco and others
Gen 2 Atari 2600 and others
Gen 3 Nes, Sega and others
Gen 4 SNes Genesis and others
Gen 5 Saturn, PSX and others
Gen 6 PS2, Dreamcast, XBox and others
Gen 7 PS3, Xbox 360 and others
Gen 8 PS4, XBOne and others

 

[Akira AC]

The source revealed that game retailers will be forced to sell second hand games at just a 10% discount on the original RRP. This news will come as a shock to consumers who are currently used to purchasing trade-in games at up to 50% of the retail value.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124323-Update-Xbox-One-To-Take-Cut-With-Every-Pre-Owned-Sale

Yep, just like Steam but at almost full retail price, guess this thing is just aimed for the people who's disposable income is equally paired with their level of retardation, MS is trying hard to get that portion of used games market and users out of their reach, and then they expect to sell one billion of those things when people already have dedicated devices for everything that it's going for (PVRs, Apple Tvs, Smartphones, Laptops, heck even some smart TVs already do what One is promising).

This might not flop in america, but I don't see this thing selling outside the states now.

 

[Samus]

If you opt to sell a game, you can only do it at Microsoft-approved retail outlets. Those outlets will have to agree to Microsoft's terms and conditions, and sign up to its cloud-based Azure system. It's Azure that manages the transaction, and tells the home office that you've handed in your title. The title gets wiped from your account at that point.

That's just awful.

 

[F1 fan]

Wow. This just gets worse. Assuming this is all true, what on earth are they thinking?

 

[Samus]

The only thing I can think of is that they're going to take a big hit on the actual console selling it well under cost then hope to recoup it back via subscriptions and used games.

 

[RACECAR]

Wow. This just gets worse all the time.

Fixed for Stars wars reference, couldn't resist

 

[Eks]

I've been really trying to give Microsoft a chance and like the Xbox One, but it is becoming really, really hard.

 

[DDastardly00]

I don't generally by a lot of used games but this is pretty much a deal breaker for me.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/24/report-publishers-to-receive-cut-of-xbox-one-pre-owned-sales/

 

[limesutam]

Wow, it almost seems like they are trying to wipe out the used market for their games entirely on the xbox one.Why would retailers even bother to offer the infrastructure for this if they get a minuscule cut of the sale. It almost seems like they are trying to side step them entirely. My kids like to buy a used game and then trade it with their friends once they tire of it so each can enjoy the others game.

The only positive I can see is hopefully Sony is paying attention and if they are thinking of implementing the same sort of thing , they don't.

 

[fatkrakr]

I think M$ plan to kill used game sales is gonna work perfect. If you kill new game sales the used game market dies as well.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

You might be able to get achievements if you watch TV adverts, how exciting: Link

Here is some rumoured new info: The Xbox One can talk to you, will feature remote play

Kinect seems to be main thing over PS4, feature wise. I wonder though if it could backfire. Reliability of device can affect ability to use console. People might be creeped out by it as it is always on to listen to you, and camera probably tracks everyone in room once console is turned fully on.

I thought of something that might make a viral video. The PS3 creepy doll advert could be transformed to Kinect being the baby doll. First command, Xbox On, second would be watch TV, next watch movie and then final one could be Xbox game with then Xbox One levitating. Instead of Play Beyond, it could say, Always On, Always Watching. Xbox One (Os as camera lens) ending with a flickering ending of a creepy baby doll staring at you transitioning to Xbox One image with Kinect and staring eye as camera lens, faded out to just the normal camera lens.
Anyone up for making it .

Wow. This just gets worse. Assuming this is all true, what on earth are they thinking?

They look like from the outside trying to become like Apple but are sabotaging themselves in a way instead by seeming to be quite out of touch of what consumers want and forcing change on things people are used to and comfortable with. Windows 8 is an example of that. Alienating customers for little reason. This is of course my opinion.

 

[Tornado]

I do like the confusion over the patent Microsoft filed a year or so ago that details a method to use Kinect to limit the amount of people watching content on an XBone.

 

[Scaff]

More news in......

http://www.edge-online.com/news/xbox-one-to-host-sky-and-canal-tv-content-in-europe/

...which is another negative for me. I'm with Virgin Media and have no intention of switching back to Sky at all.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

More news in......

http://www.edge-online.com/news/xbox-one-to-host-sky-and-canal-tv-content-in-europe/

...which is another negative for me. I'm with Virgin Media and have no intention of switching back to Sky at all.

It does say though that they will continue to grow their "international expansion".

 

[Scaff]

It does say though that they will continue to grow their "international expansion".

They have confirmed they will go with Sky in the UK, given that the guy that now owns Virgin Media has an ongoing battle with the Murdoch group I can pretty much say any tie in with any other UK provider is not going to happen.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

They have confirmed they will go with Sky in the UK, given that the guy that now owns Virgin Media has an ongoing battle with the Murdoch group I can pretty much say any tie in with any other UK provider is not going to happen.

Virgin offer Sky channels so can't be that bad and it does not look bad their relations in the media going by this: Link. Microsoft will surely have competing TV service providers around the world working with console to make the One thing work.

 

[Scaff]

Virgin offer Sky channels so can't be that bad and it does not look bad their relations in the media going by this: Link. Microsoft will surely have competing TV service providers around the world working with console to make the One thing work.

Which was forced on Sky by EU legislation, they had no choice but to do it. I can clearly remember when Sky pulled Sky One access from Virgin which resulted in an EU investigation.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Which was forced on Sky by EU legislation, they had no choice but to do it. I can clearly remember when Sky pulled Sky One access from Virgin which resulted in an EU investigation.

They are still working with each other: Link and going by what Tom Mockridge has said, I'm sure they will get along fine for many more years.

 

[Scaff]

They are still working with each other: Link and going by what Tom Mockridge has said, I'm sure they will get along fine for many more years.

Simply because Sky has no choice, one of the largest owner of fibre connections in the UK is Virgin (gained after they bought NTL), BT have to open its network up, Virgin don't.

Even BT tried to force Virgin to open up its network, that's how much coverage it has.

http://www.choose.net/media/guide/news/bt-loses-virgin-media-duct-battle.html

Sky had three choices, pay Virgin, have very limited fibre access in the UK or lay its own network (which would cost billions).

You seem to also be forgetting that MS already has a deal with Sky on the 360 and they have never attempted to open that up to any other provider in the UK, the HDMI pass through will do just fine for anything apart from the chosen partner.

 

[gtracedriver1]

I don't think it was a problem as gamers who go with PS have never been their primary market. A lot of those games appeared on Xbox 360 too so calling it a weak machine with no games makes no sense. People bought both machines to play exclusives as I did. In fact racing games played better on the Xbox pad for me because of the triggers.

That is your opinion. But facts are xbox has very little games to justify its purchase. So there is very little incentive to buy it. For some people it may not matter however that does not still changes the fact what I said.

 

[chromatic9]

Interesting to see how Xbox One can work over the Sky plus box and retain all the functionality. I'm skeptical how many of the 10million Sky subscribers will bother to set the Kinect camera on top of their television and use the One as some middleware.

Don't know how the US works but over here we have very comprehensive and popular boxes from technomate, dreambox, VU+ based on Linux and expanding all the time.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Simply because Sky has no choice, one of the largest owner of fibre connections in the UK is Virgin (gained after they bought NTL), BT have to open its network up, Virgin don't.

Even BT tried to force Virgin to open up its network, that's how much coverage it has.

http://www.choose.net/media/guide/news/bt-loses-virgin-media-duct-battle.html

Sky had three choices, pay Virgin, have very limited fibre access in the UK or lay its own network (which would cost billions).

You seem to also be forgetting that MS already has a deal with Sky on the 360 and they have never attempted to open that up to any other provider in the UK, the HDMI pass through will do just fine for anything apart from the chosen partner.

This Sky Virgin deal is not to do with home fibre access which will still be done through BT Openreach regarding Sky but for backhaul capacity needs. I think this was probably due to buying O2 Broadband service. Otherwise it would probably get too congested if they didn't do something about it.

If they are going to only choose one provider in each country, then I don't think it will go down well. I would be surprised if they didn't try and work with all the big providers in every country that Xbox One will be sold in. That article was probably only mentioning partnerships they currently have already and that they will expand internationally. It won't be much of a worldwide face if popular TV providers are not supported.

Interesting to see how Xbox One can work over the Sky plus box and retain all the functionality. I'm skeptical how many of the 10million Sky subscribers will bother to set the Kinect camera on top of their television and use the One as some middleware.

Don't know how the US works but over here we have very comprehensive and popular boxes from technomate, dreambox, VU+ based on Linux and expanding all the time.

Also it will be extra electric costs too so will be interesting to see how much power it takes. Most people I would assume who watch TV already know how to use their local TV service well and fast so talking might be slower than using remote and costly in energy costs. For distractions, people already use home / mobile phones, tablets and laptops in front of TV so I don't see many using them kind of features on Xbox One. I would think it would be more conventional full screen app use than rather snap mode on TV.

 

[Samus]

That's what I don't really get about this, they say that it's an "all in one" box and that they want people to watch TV through the Xbox but at the end of the day it's jut a pass-through device enabling people to control it with Kinect.

As I said earlier I know for a fact if it was to work with my Virgin V+ HD box it would not be as fast and smooth as the demonstration with whichever US service they demoed it with.

That is your opnion. But facts are xbox has very little games to justify its purchase.

Please re-read that to yourself and spot the obvious problem (except the spelling mistake).

 

[gtracedriver1]

^

Don't troll. I clearly said what xbox problems are.