The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[chromatic9]

I'm not sure why you seem to be focusing on video games when it comes to people buying their TV sets. For most people the TV set is still defined by TV and Video. People bought 1080 sets because 1080 TV and movies existed for them to watch on it since 2005, 2004 in some places.

With no 4k TV broadcasts and little to no 4k video people aren't going to be big adopters of 4k TVs.

I'm not focusing on video games at all, I'm actually discounting them. How can you not tell that? Rubs head in amazment.

There's not a 1080p broadcast standard even now, what are you going on about? I don't have time to go through in baby steps at how slow and baron HD channels were since 2005 to 2007 and beyond. 2009/10 was really the point where 720p broadcast were in use. here in the EU it took 4 years for HD tuners to appear inside the sets:LOL: Didn't stop people buying it

I get it, I get it, usually silly skepticism to some future expensive tech, no one will bother. 4K sets are showing up at $1200, then new movie players will be here soon, many will want to see they're movies as filmed or close to. 720p to 1080p wasn't much difference but still happended quickly. 4k is just stunning. manufacturing wil move on whether you sit in your naysaying armchair or not.

I'm not even saying widespread adoption. please spare me the anti 1080p and 4K theories. Instead why don't you just say, "oh $1200 for 4k already, could be sooner than I thought, I assumed it would be a small minority for a few years".

Now please move on and keep it about Xbox One.

 

[fatkrakr]

Hard drive news gets worse. Not only can you not replace it, we're not even going to get to use the whole thing. That's normal for devices like this but...



A significant amount doesn't sound promising. It's already 465GB because of the 1024/1000 deal, who knows what they decree significant but maybe we'll go below even 400GB. Not going to last long installing every Blu-Ray game.

In fact pretty much every answer in this FAQ is bad news - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/xbox-one-what-we-do-and-dont-know

The article says that the kinect must always be hooked up and that the microphone is always listening. I dont mean to sound paranoid here, but Im not so sure I like the idea of it always watching and listening to me. Add the fact it must connect to the internet atleast once every 24 hours and now Im not feeling so comfortable im my own living room.

 

[The Stig Farmer]

The article says that the kinect must always be hooked up and that the microphone is always listening. I dont mean to sound paranoid here, but Im not so sure I like the idea of it always watching and listening to me. Add the fact it must connect to the internet atleast once every 24 hours and now Im not feeling so comfortable im my own living room.

This is getting worse by the minute...

 

[Samus]

I'm not focusing on video games at all, I'm actually discounting them. How can you not tell that? Rubs head in amazment.

Well that is what I got coming from your post:

1080p screens are nonsense for current consoles since 2006 to today.

Many current console games are sub 720p.

Apologies if I took it the wrong way.

There's not a 1080p broadcast standard even now, what are you going on about? I don't have time to go through in baby steps at how slow and baron HD channels were since 2005 to 2007 and beyond. 2009/10 was really the point where 720p broadcast were in use. here in the EU it took 4 years for HD tuners to appear inside the sets:LOL: Didn't stop people buying it

I was very careful to say only 1080 broadcasts, not 1080p. I was of course therefore referring to 1080i and I was speaking generally in terms of the world, not just the UK. I know we were far behind but 1080i broadcasts were pretty common in Japan and the US by 2005, probably other locations as well, I haven't done research.

I also mentioned another point, Blu-Rays. That's why people bought 1080 sets, because the 1920x1080 content was out there already.

I get it, I get it, usually silly skepticism to some future expensive tech, no one will bother. 4K sets are showing up at $1200, then new movie players will be here soon, many will want to see they're movies as filmed or close to. 720p to 1080p wasn't much difference but still happended quickly. 4k is just stunning. manufacturing wil move on whether you sit in your naysaying armchair or not.

I'm not being skeptical, I'm sure 4k and 8k sets will become more mainstream but not until 4k TV broadcasts and other 4k content arrives and the majority have a real reason to.

Also there is big difference between the jump from 720 to 1080 and the next jump to 4k. In the average living room you are going to need a very large screen to notice the difference, something most people don't have the space for in their homes. If people go down to Tesco and look at a 42" 4k TV and don't see any difference why would they buy it?

Oh and could you show me this $1200 4k TV? I do believe you but I'd like to see the specs/name of it.

I'm not even saying widespread adoption. please spare me the anti 1080p and 4K theories. Instead why don't you just say, "oh $1200 for 4k already, could be sooner than I thought, I assumed it would be a small minority for a few years".

Now please move on and keep it about Xbox One.

I'm not sure why you're being so aggressive with me on this, I'm only trying to have a mature discussion about it. It only came up in this thread because people talked about 4k gaming.

 

[ASH32]

So the new Xbox has a stupid name, spies on you, makes kids listen to swear words and other things they shouldn't hear online and needs the internet to work when a lot of people still don't have it. That's before you even get to stuff like used games costing you money twice, I'm sure this will end up a success. It could even be banned from sale here based on some of the reported things, if they end up as true.

 

[Samus]

So the new Xbox has a stupid name, spies on you, makes kids listen to swear words and other things they shouldn't hear online and needs the internet to work when a lot of people still don't have it. That's before you even get to stuff like used games costing you money twice, I'm sure this will end up a success. It could even be banned from sale here based on some of the reported things, if they end up as true.

I have a feeling it's going to need to be sold and advertised in quite a different way here given that all of the TV stuff flat out won't work here on launch. Also it looked impressive how quickly he changed channels on whatever US service they were using but I know for a fact my Virgin Media V+ HD box is not that responsive whatever you use to control it. They're going to need that old "Sequences shortened" qualifier here.

 

[fatkrakr]

I would purchase this IF two things where possible. The first being able to unplug kenect. The other being if you could have a movie playing and also have an explorer window on screen to web browse. My misses would go nuts over that feature. Perhaps there is alredy something that will do that? If anyone knows of something like that please let me know. Her birthday is a week away.

 

[Samus]

I would purchase this IF two things where possible. The first being able to unplug kenect. The other being if you could have a movie playing and also have an explorer window on screen to web browse. My misses would go nuts over that feature. Perhaps there is alredy something that will do that? If anyone knows of something like that please let me know. Her birthday is a week away.

No to unplugging Kinect, yes to browsing during a movie. Both confirmed.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I would purchase this IF two things where possible. The first being able to unplug kenect. The other being if you could have a movie playing and also have an explorer window on screen to web browse. My misses would go nuts over that feature. Perhaps there is alredy something that will do that? If anyone knows of something like that please let me know. Her birthday is a week away.

Yep. no problem to do that with a PC,

 

[fatkrakr]

Yep. no problem to do that with a PC,

Not very practical to hook a pc up to the tv the misses uses. Was hoping for a simple compact solution. The x1 isnt looking like the right fit though.

 

[Eks]

Well the constant Kinect thing doesn't really bother me because if you have a laptop with a webcam, then you basically have a mic and camera that is connected constantly so there's no difference really.

 

[avens]

Reason? Haven't seen a good one yet.

I'll post them tomorrow. Kind of busy today and it'll require some explaining.

Another point about dedicated servers is that surely means, 100% confirms, that xbox live will be paid on the Xbox One.

 

[Jawehawk]

Not very practical to hook a pc up to the tv the misses uses. Was hoping for a simple compact solution. The x1 isnt looking like the right fit though.

Uhm. A laptop... Or a Tablet...

 

[avens]

That was all I read and stopped. Credibility gone. Lag relies 100% on upload and download. If you live right next door to my house and you have 1 meg upload and .1 download, we wont be playing together without massive problems. Especially games with co-op modes like GRAW2, or Halo. You will never be able to play the co-op campaign or Spartan ops with other players with that connection. It will literally kick you right out of the game.

However you can live in Europe with at least 10 meg download 2 megs upload and we can play perfectly fine. Download and Upload are THE most important. Having a dedicated server will be a life saver for gaming since it wont be P2P host connection. Anyone that tries to argue with this or does not comprehend the advantages of dedicated servers, should not reply at all. Dediated servers for every multiplayer game is a pure revolutionary innovation for online gaming.

Not at all. "Lag relies 100% on upload and download" is simply an absurd statement.

Actually you can try it yourself (limit it. Games use very little download and upload bandwidth), and the most effective way of having less lag -without changing your connection and related devices- is to set in your (expensive) router to use less bandwidth, though dedicated only to that device. Another good way to prove your point wrong it is to use your 100000mbps connection to play on a japanese server, with their 1000000mbps connections.

Dude I've been playing online since 1998 (probably since before you were born really and when dedicated servers were the standard) and everything I posted can be confirmed on the interwebz. Remember what the very concept of 'ping' means, which is the reason why distances is the most important factor, no contest, and the second one is connection stability. The amount of bandwidth is not even in third, fourth or fifth place.

 

[sesselpupser]

That was all I read and stopped. Credibility gone. Lag relies 100% on upload and download. If you live right next door to my house and you have 1 meg upload and .1 download, we wont be playing together without massive problems. Especially games with co-op modes like GRAW2, or Halo. You will never be able to play the co-op campaign or Spartan ops with other players with that connection. It will literally kick you right out of the game.

However you can live in Europe with at least 10 meg download 2 megs upload and we can play perfectly fine. Download and Upload are THE most important. Having a dedicated server will be a life saver for gaming since it wont be P2P host connection. Anyone that tries to argue with this or does not comprehend the advantages of dedicated servers, should not reply at all. Dediated servers for every multiplayer game is a pure revolutionary innovation for online gaming.

You've not heard of ping? How much data do you think games are sending and receiving?

 

[Lain]

Not for games, no.

True, but for games they could potentially do higher than 1080P and just scale up to 4K.

 

[Samus]

I'll post them tomorrow. Kind of busy today and it'll require some explaining.

Another point about dedicated servers is that surely means, 100% confirms, that xbox live will be paid on the Xbox One.

That is confirmed, yes.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I would purchase this IF two things where possible. The first being able to unplug kenect. The other being if you could have a movie playing and also have an explorer window on screen to web browse. My misses would go nuts over that feature. Perhaps there is alredy something that will do that? If anyone knows of something like that please let me know. Her birthday is a week away.

You CAN disable connect using the provided software. It does not have to be "on" at all times.

http://uk.gamespot.com/features/xbox-one-microsofts-phil-spencer-talks-used-games-always-on-6408725/

You definitely will have the software capability to turn off all the capabilities of Kinect. We want to put the gamer in control. And privacy. The box data information that collects is your data; it stays with you. You are in control of what you want to be collected. Game developers will obviously enable certain features and you'll be alerted when certain things are happening. Putting the gamer in control is really important.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Not at all. "Lag relies 100% on upload and download" is simply an absurd statement.

Agreed lag is mostly about ping time. how long does it take to send a single packet of data from point a to point b and this will vary depending on the route taken. The other factor is network load. If the network at any point along the way is loaded near capacity then some lag may appear.

I am on a 20mb line I could connect to someone who is using a 256k line and not have a lag during a race but I could connect to someone using a 20mb line and may get a lag, all depends on the route here to there and what is happening in between at the time.

Granted on a 256k connection if they are doing anything else to use much bandwidth then all bets are off but it will work under ideal conditions. In fact I have even had a 2 player online race over a 26.4k direct modem dailup connection that worked pretty well.

 

[gtracedriver1]

I must have played a different console then as I'm not sure which PlayStation FPS franchise was stronger than Halo was.

Forza didn't sell nearly as much as Gran Turismo but a weaker game? Sorry, but I just don't see it, or that 360 had very few games.

They had like 4 halo games and 3 forza games but it is very less compared to PS3. Which has games in many genre. That has been Xbox problem. Games like bioshock and Mass effect etc all are on PS3 as well. Owning xbox is of no use to gamers who go with PS.

 

[SuperShouden]

I'm excited for Forza 5. But...8-core processor and Blu-ray? Wait a minute, isn't that the PS3 specs? So, Sony created a gaming PC and Microsoft created a more-advanced PS3. Okay. The system even looks like the Fatboy PS3 without the curves. But still...FM5 is really all they showed.

I still have no idea what Quantum Break is about. They really didn't explain it, very well. They simply announced it, mentioned it would have live-action and video game elements. (which has only worked once with Defiance, btw.)

Sounds like the Kinect will be sold with the Xbox One, which is a plus, I guess. But...no one is using new technology this time around. Last release we had Blu-ray, HD-DVD, The Cell, a tri-core processor....all kinds of stuff. Now, the specs of all systems are kinda boring 'cause they're old tech. The good news is all that old tech will make the system's cheaper...which might be what everyone is planning. With most launch titles coming out on the previous gen systems, one would think that they can't release a $600 system because they've got to compete with their $300 parents. (Which might drop in price before the new system's release.) I'm actually expecting $300 for the One and PS4 and then $200-250 for the PS3 and Xbox 360 this holiday. Especially with GT6 coming out on PS3 and Destiny and Watch Dogs coming out on PS3, 360, One and PS4. Plus you have GTAV coming out on 360 and PS3.

The other interesting thing is, instead of PS4 vs. One, the big battle this holiday season will actually be One vs. PS3 with Forza 5 and GT6 probably being released around the same time.

 

[Samus]

I'm excited for Forza 5. But...8-core processor and Blu-ray? Wait a minute, isn't that the PS3 specs? So, Sony created a gaming PC and Microsoft created a more-advanced PS3. Okay. The system even looks like the Fatboy PS3 without the curves. But still...FM5 is really all they showed.

Good lord. Where do you think up drivel like that? You do realise the PS4 could be described in the exact same simple way you just did? Because it too has an 8-core processor and Blu-Ray. So isn't that just a more advanced PS3 as well?

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I would imagine that initial sales of GT6 will be at least 5-1 over FM5 maybe even as high as 10-1 and that initial sales of Xbox One will be less than they hope if current info holds true

 

[Terronium-12]

I'm excited for Forza 5. But...8-core processor and Blu-ray? Wait a minute, isn't that the PS3 specs? So, Sony created a gaming PC and Microsoft created a more-advanced PS3. Okay. The system even looks like the Fatboy PS3 without the curves. But still...FM5 is really all they showed.

Just stop. Please.

 

[Eks]

I'm excited for Forza 5. But...8-core processor and Blu-ray? Wait a minute, isn't that the PS3 specs? So, Sony created a gaming PC and Microsoft created a more-advanced PS3. Okay. The system even looks like the Fatboy PS3 without the curves. But still...FM5 is really all they showed.

No no no, the PS3 has a 1 core processor with 7 synergistic processing elements that help the main core with processing and also the GPU. Nothing like a true 8 core processor, which is what these new consoles have.

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw

The paranoid cynic in me says those shots of the TV show "The Price is Right" were subliminal.

 

[UKMikey]

They had like 4 halo games and 3 forza games but it is very less compared to PS3. Which has games in many genre. That has been Xbox problem. Games like bioshock and Mass effect etc all are on PS3 as well. Owning xbox is of no use to gamers who go with PS.

I don't think it was a problem as gamers who go with PS have never been their primary market. A lot of those games appeared on Xbox 360 too so calling it a weak machine with no games makes no sense. People bought both machines to play exclusives as I did. In fact racing games played better on the Xbox pad for me because of the triggers.

 

[LaBounti]

I don't think it was a problem as gamers who go with PS have never been their primary market. A lot of those games appeared on Xbox 360 too so calling it a weak machine with no games makes no sense. People bought both machines to play exclusives as I did. In fact racing games played better on the Xbox pad for me because of the triggers.

I don't know when this trend started but in my 28+ year gaming experiences I've never bought a system for it's exclusives. not SNES, Not N64, Not PS1, Dreamcast, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, PC.

Is this a trend the 20 something groups made up? Does one person say it then it feels like the right thing for everyone else to say? If you do it, that's you reasons but not everyone. I don't see it that way. I just enjoy games that I like.

I don't play:
Mario
Zelda
Metroid
Halo
Gears of war
Uncharted
Sly, Dax, Ratchet

I buy systems for that new and fresh feeling of something new and fresh. I do not plan on getting an Xbox One. No game can save it for me and I love Forza.

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

I don't think it was a problem as gamers who go with PS have never been their primary market. A lot of those games appeared on Xbox 360 too so calling it a weak machine with no games makes no sense. People bought both machines to play exclusives as I did. In fact racing games played better on the Xbox pad for me because of the triggers.

Everything plays better on the Xbox pad for me because I have large hands, and the stupid DS3 is so small it makes me cramp up if I use it for more than like 15 minutes at a time

As for the Xbox being a "weak machine with no games"-

I don't really care for any of the PS exclusives. I own a PS3, but I barely play it because of the aforementioned controller issue, and the fact that there's really no exclusive games that pull me in. I bought it for GT5, was massively disappointed with how bad that was, so I tried some of the other exclusives, was underwhelmed again, and went back to the 360.

I guess my point is, it's all down to taste. Calling either system "weak" or saying they "have no games" is just blind fanboyism.

I don't know when this trend started but in my 28+ year gaming experiences I've never bought a system for it's exclusives. not SNES, Not N64, Not PS1, Dreamcast, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, PC.

Is this a trend the 20 something groups made up? Does one person say it then it feels like the right thing for everyone else to say? I don't see it that way. I just enjoy games that I like.

I buy systems for new and fresh feeling of something new and fresh.

I see where you're coming from, and I agree wholeheartedly. I don't understand the 'console war' at all, just play the games you want to play, why do people feel the need to talk down to the other system/games just because they didn't choose to play them? Buy both systems & get the best of both worlds 👍

The thing is, if you think a game that's exclusive looks fun & want to play it, you have to buy the console, so you end up buying it for the exclusives one way or another, or you end up missing out on games you wanted to play. So by that definition, doesn't everyone buy a console for the exclusives...?

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Everything plays better on the Xbox pad for me because I have large hands, and the stupid DS3 is so small it makes me cramp up if I use it for more than like 15 minutes at a time

I have the exact same problem. I have always had problems with the PS2/PS3 controllers. The xbox and 360 controllers have been the most ergonomic for me. I can play for days without problems. I am sure they make xbox controllers for the PS3/PS4. I should invest in one of those.