The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[Tornado]

Plus FLOPS numbers are practically useless when comparing hardware that is that different in terms of age (think of all the stuff the Xbone GPU will support with little in the way of performance hits that the 360 would have had to do in software).

 

[Sanji Himura]

Yeah, the FLOPS number is a bit irrelevant. You really should be looking at three numbers, the power of the processor in terms of hertz, the effective RAM that the system has (total RAM minus what is reserved for the OS) and finally, GPU power, again, in terms of hertz.

Processing - According to the Guardian, both processors are reported to produce 1.6 GHz. That may be underpowered, but you have to look at efficiency. Microsoft underclocked their processor by at least 5% for heating issues whereas Sony spreads the processing load over all cores in the processor for better efficiency. That doesn't take into account the fact that it would rest on you to take care of your system for a long shelf life.

Memory - This should be no contest. By Microsoft taking the cheaper route in DDR3 RAM compared to Sony's GDDR5 RAM, and on top of that, reserving 3GB of the 8GB available for the OS, they are throwing the towel in the efficiency race by once again, restricting developers who publish on multiple platforms to 5GB of memory. I believe that The Phantom Pain already pushes the XBO to the max and it is not even out yet. Need I say that the XBO uses currently existing tech? Thought so.

GPU - By going with AMD chips, the comparisons are much more narrow. It may be due to licensing that Sony may have developed the better graphics chips than MS, but we won't know that until the consoles are actually released.

 

[Eks]

I'm not saying I believe it but based on TFLOPS alone, I've seen people ranging the XBO GPU to a HD7970 HD7790 and the PS4's to a HD 7850.

 

[dr_slump]

I'm not saying I believe it but based on TFLOPS alone, I've seen people ranging the XBO GPU to a HD7970 and the PS4's to a HD 7850.

You confuse something.

7780 for X1, 7860 for PS3

I know those don't exist, I mean it's between a 7770 and 7790, respectively a 7850 and 7870.

The PS4 GPU is much more powerful, expect it to be about 1.5 times higher in processing power.

 

[LaBounti]

GPU - By going with AMD chips, the comparisons are much more narrow. It may be due to licensing that Sony may have developed the better graphics chips than MS, but we won't know that until the consoles are actually released.

Its not a better gpu chip, it just has more GNC cores, 6 more. There is no licensing from Sony to use more cores, they can use as many as they want to pay for.. Microsoft's APU has more transistors, the 32mb of sdram takes up a alot of die space, they may have had to cut 6 GNC cores to not have a gigantic cpu. Or they reserved 6 GNC cores for compute processing only, the OS, cable box decoding, Kinect processing.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Its not a better gpu chip, it just has more GNC cores, 6 more. There is no licensing from Sony to use more cores, they can use as many as they want to pay for.. Microsoft's APU has more transistors, the 32mb of sdram takes up a alot of die space, they may have had to cut 6 GNC cores to not have a gigantic cpu. Or they reserved 6 GNC cores for compute processing only, the OS, cable box decoding, Kinect processing.

How many GPU cores does Xbone and PS4 have ? How do you know this ? The RAM alone makes quite a difference, 5GB available on Xbone vs 7GB available on PS4. I read somewhere that PS4 has 1152 shaders while Xbone only have 768 shaders. Killzone Shadow Fall demo uses close to 5GB of RAM, run it on Xbone, it would dangerously used up all of the RAM. IMO PS4 have better GPU, better package, and it also have dedicated modules to offload CPU+GPU.

 

[Samus]

Xbox using 3GB of RAM for OS is still only a rumour that MS haven't denied AFAIK.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Has this been posted :

Interview-with-xbox-ones-chief-product-officer-marc-whitten

 

[dhandeh]

Has this been posted :

Interview-with-xbox-ones-chief-product-officer-marc-whitten

I wondered what Moby was upto these days.

 

[Eks]

How many GPU cores does Xbone and PS4 have ? How do you know this ? The RAM alone makes quite a difference, 5GB available on Xbone vs 7GB available on PS4. I read somewhere that PS4 has 1152 shaders while Xbone only have 768 shaders. Killzone Shadow Fall demo uses close to 5GB of RAM, run it on Xbone, it would dangerously used up all of the RAM. IMO PS4 have better GPU, better package, and it also have dedicated modules to offload CPU+GPU.

I'm pretty sure KZ: Shadowfall was built around ~3GB RAM. Somewhere around 3700MB.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I'm pretty sure KZ: Shadowfall was built around ~3GB RAM. Somewhere around 3700MB.

Nope, I read it on IGN articles about Killzone :

Killzone is utilizing various high end graphics settings like Ambient Occlusion, Realtime Reflections, and Depth of Field. These all are confirmed straight from Guerilla Games in a document intended for game developers. Also, the Killzone demo at the Sony event was using 874 shaders on the GPU - out of 1152. To put that into perspective, Xbox One does not even have 874 shaders - it has 768. Because the GPU architectures are so similar (AMD GCN architecture based on the 7000 series), it's very easy to compare these back to back, and see that quite blatantly, Xbox One could not run that Killzone demo in its current state. Another interesting piece of information that comes from this document is that the demo used a surprising 3072MB of RAM on graphics, 1536 on the CPU, and 128MB shared between the two. That totals 4736MB of RAM - out of 7GB available on PS4 for games. To put that into perspective, the Xbox One has 5GB of its 8 available for games to use. Thus, Killzone in its current state would be nearly maxing out the available RAM Xbox One has to work with.

 

[Eks]

I stand corrected. Interesting to know. 👍

 

[Terronium-12]

Either way, it is still no excuse for Titanfall to not support Windows 7. Video cards are forwards compatible for a reason, and limiting it to only one OS on PC is a load of 🤬.

Something to add: I'm willing to bet that the OS check is a added layer of DRM.

Again, 7 doesn't support 11.1 so that's a flat out incompatibility issue unless the kernel is updated... which may very well happen.

Whether or not they'll decide to bring the Platform Update for 7 full-circle remains to be seen, because even after that the 11.1 support is rather limited and doesn't have the features that depend on WDDM 1.2.

 

[LaBounti]

How many GPU cores does Xbone and PS4 have ? How do you know this ? The RAM alone makes quite a difference, 5GB available on Xbone vs 7GB available on PS4. I read somewhere that PS4 has 1152 shaders while Xbone only have 768 shaders. Killzone Shadow Fall demo uses close to 5GB of RAM, run it on Xbone, it would dangerously used up all of the RAM. IMO PS4 have better GPU, better package, and it also have dedicated modules to offload CPU+GPU.

The PS4 1152 gpu shader cores XB1 has 768 like you posted. These are in blocks of GNC cores/units. 64 shader cores per GNC compute unit.

The leaked info about the systems from developers were true about PS4 but Microsoft haven't addressed any of those spec rumors nor denied them.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Wow, Microsoft seem to be changing their stance and 24 Hour Online check seems to have gone: Link

 

[ASH32]

Wow, Microsoft seem to be changing their stance and 24 Hour Online check seems to have gone: Link

Unless someone managed to hack in and just changed things for a laugh. I doubt Microsoft will change it now and if they did they'd make a big thing of it.

 

[HKS racer]

Wow, Microsoft seem to be changing their stance and 24 Hour Online check seems to have gone: Link

Link not working here. Could be good news if confirmed.
Now if they remove that stupid spybox kinetic thing I can finally buy Forza 5.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Wow, Microsoft seem to be changing their stance and 24 Hour Online check seems to have gone: Link

I tried the link, took a very long time to load then there was no text on the page just a link to go back and the standard menu icons

 

[Dan]

The site is most likely getting flooded. Check back in a few hours.

 

[chromatic9]

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

•An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.


•Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.



In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.



These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.



We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.



Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

From the link
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

 

[Jawehawk]

This is fantastic news. Proof that gamers aren't idiots (well, most of them anyway), and that consumers still hold enough power to change the business policies of big companies. Only bad thing left with the Xbox One is now the forced Kinect. But none the less, an enormous victory for gamers and consumers alike.

 

[chromatic9]

News that may get overlooked is no region lock

 

[Youngun]

No matter the policy. Its what they set out to do in the first place that pushed everyone away, now there panicking about it. They copied ps3 with the xbox slim with integrating wifi, bigger memory, black gloss, added features..... Now they've adjusted there policy to similar style as sony. All in all, Sony is a good business after all ps3 has now taken the lead of last gen, just like they said, 10 year plan (sorry but new 360 super slim is again copying sony). As a whole, sony aim it at the gamer market, as they sell pcs, laptops, tablets, phones, tvs, blu ray players, surround sound etc. so its a focused unit which is why they'll still excel. Xbox1 will just drain more power for jobs it isn't being used for. Not a fanboy but looking at the big picture. Nintendo just watch in the wings while they have fun making wonga........

 

[ZohsixGT5]

They really didn't have a choice. I mean I havent seen a single PS4 vs. Xbone poll that showed the Xbox with more than 15% of the votes. Microsoft would have lost their ass to Sony if they didn't change something.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Goes to show ,Consumers always have the final say,That's not a victory for Microsoft that is a victory for gamers 👍

 

[maxpontiac]

Nope, I read it on IGN articles about Killzone :

Killzone is utilizing various high end graphics settings like Ambient Occlusion, Realtime Reflections, and Depth of Field. These all are confirmed straight from Guerilla Games in a document intended for game developers. Also, the Killzone demo at the Sony event was using 874 shaders on the GPU - out of 1152. To put that into perspective, Xbox One does not even have 874 shaders - it has 768. Because the GPU architectures are so similar (AMD GCN architecture based on the 7000 series), it's very easy to compare these back to back, and see that quite blatantly, Xbox One could not run that Killzone demo in its current state. Another interesting piece of information that comes from this document is that the demo used a surprising 3072MB of RAM on graphics, 1536 on the CPU, and 128MB shared between the two. That totals 4736MB of RAM - out of 7GB available on PS4 for games. To put that into perspective, the Xbox One has 5GB of its 8 available for games to use. Thus, Killzone in its current state would be nearly maxing out the available RAM Xbox One has to work with.

So what does the above mean for multiplatform games a few years from now?

 

[chromatic9]

Will it now be called Xbox 180?

Forget One X1 XB1 and XBone

 

[Dan]

Will it now be called Xbox 180?

Forget One X1 XB1 and XBone

Hmm. That's actually pretty good.

 

[fatkrakr]

Will it now be called Xbox 180?

Forget One X1 XB1 and XBone

👍

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I stand corrected. Interesting to know. 👍

I am taking the RAM usage as approximation, at least 3GB will be used is certain for now.

The PS4 1152 gpu shader cores XB1 has 768 like you posted. These are in blocks of GNC cores/units. 64 shader cores per GNC compute unit.

The leaked info about the systems from developers were true about PS4 but Microsoft haven't addressed any of those spec rumors nor denied them.

Only time will tell

So what does the above mean for multiplatform games a few years from now?

Probably not much of difference for multi platform titles, developers would want to give streamlined experience to all gamers on both consoles. We may see texture quality, view distance, lighting, visual effects differences, maybe anti aliasing as well - both consoles will aim for 1080p 60fps, unless a title like BF4, if the dev wanted more graphic fidelity or one of the console is struggling, maybe 30 fps could happen or sub 1080p, who knows.