Theory on the Audi R8 LMS Ultra Handling
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Yes, this is exactly the problem. It's really hard to image a real GT3 purposely built racecar snapping like that at such low speeds without any throttle input spike, MR or not. At 40mph with steady throttle, the car should feel glued on the road rather than trying to kill you.
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- TheLordSnowden
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I haven't read this whole thread but a very probable hypothesis and one I would likely not agree with had I not experienced the very unnaturally odd behavior of the AWD cars between patch updates...
But one thing throws it off... The same behavior found in other MR cars, just to a lessor extent...
Still interesting none the less...
But one thing throws it off... The same behavior found in other MR cars, just to a lessor extent...
Still interesting none the less...
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- KAWIGREEN23
I hadn't thought about putting that one together. PD did make the mistake of setting all the AWD cars to RWD before they hotfixed it, so it isn't too much of a stretch that there may be a coding error...?
Therein also lies a potential problem with the "shokunin" concept... if there is a mistake, there is no one to test and check to verify accuracy and/or correctness.
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NixxxoN
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I wonder why people keep paying so much attention to that Chris Harris video... I mean, he drove nowhere near the limit, he drove slowly and safely, and with high TC settings... yet people take his opinion of the car behaviour as the absolute truth... nonsense.
Who is Chris Harris anyway? Never seen him before besides in this Audi test video.
Who is Chris Harris anyway? Never seen him before besides in this Audi test video.
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- BWX232
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Read all the topics where this car was mentioned. It was one of the reasons I finally registered to this forum.
The Audi R8 was going to be one of my favorite cars.
Now, after 1700 km and lots and lots of tuning and changing, I finally managed to get the thing "driveable". For me that is.
I can actually win the Nürburg 24 (my favourite circuit - over 6.000 km in GT6), but it is hard work all the time.
If this car is behaving like i.r.l. I don't envy the real life drivers.
This is supposed te be an endurance racing car, but it demands 200% of your attention all the time, no matter what speed or which turn. It spins whenever it feels like, even in really slow corners. Once I did even 3 complete 360-ties (2 on the road and a third on the grass) while I was taking a corner - really careful - at 40 km/h. No way that can happen irl...
The Oreca version does not seem to have this problem.
So yes, I also think something is really wrong with the Phoenix R8.
Tuning is OK, but the stock version should be driveable - be it difficult - as well.
I have not tried it in stock version since the latest updates, even forget what they were.
Maybe I"ll buy a second one, just to see how it behaves....
The Audi R8 was going to be one of my favorite cars.
Now, after 1700 km and lots and lots of tuning and changing, I finally managed to get the thing "driveable". For me that is.
I can actually win the Nürburg 24 (my favourite circuit - over 6.000 km in GT6), but it is hard work all the time.
If this car is behaving like i.r.l. I don't envy the real life drivers.
This is supposed te be an endurance racing car, but it demands 200% of your attention all the time, no matter what speed or which turn. It spins whenever it feels like, even in really slow corners. Once I did even 3 complete 360-ties (2 on the road and a third on the grass) while I was taking a corner - really careful - at 40 km/h. No way that can happen irl...
The Oreca version does not seem to have this problem.
So yes, I also think something is really wrong with the Phoenix R8.
Tuning is OK, but the stock version should be driveable - be it difficult - as well.
I have not tried it in stock version since the latest updates, even forget what they were.
Maybe I"ll buy a second one, just to see how it behaves....
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NixxxoN
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Like in 5:20 in the video, where he goes very slowly yet the tail starts to "party hard"?
Havent tried TC at 7 like the guy in the video, but Im sure the car will behave in "begginer mode"
Oh really? What has he won?
Anyway, good driver or not, you see he did not try to drive the R8 LMS Ultra on the limit so... and still he got some tail movements even at low speed like I said 5:20
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- KAWIGREEN23
I agree with hsv010. I've got to say at this point that this is a car that we will all struggle and compromise with forever. No Japanese company, much less PD, is going to admit that they may have made a mistake. It is a cultural thing for them. IF they happen to correct something about this car, I am sure that it will be a ninja update and no word will ever be said about it. I think that any change to this car from PD will be from an update to the physics engine and not to the car itself.
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Honestly, this is the first time really that I've seen someone compare a car to real-life rather than GT5 - kudos to you.
Pretty much everybody else has simply claimed *paraphrased* "car X was easy in GT5 now it's impossible to drive" - while making no comparisons to reality, and not checking inner workings and settings like you have.
Pretty much everybody else has simply claimed *paraphrased* "car X was easy in GT5 now it's impossible to drive" - while making no comparisons to reality, and not checking inner workings and settings like you have.
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Good point. And that's why I started the the other thread: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ultimate-driving-simulator-on-mr-cars.302087/.
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- A_Mindful_Place
So what was your tune at the end? I'd be interested in trying it!
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12 scale/steps 
that's why it's easy to drive ? Maybe R8 LMS should be driven with TCS ( at 10 ) and ABS ( at 10 ) 
Now what happens if the real car has all driving aids turned off - no TCS, no ABS
that's why it's easy to drive ? Maybe R8 LMS should be driven with TCS ( at 10 ) and ABS ( at 10 ) Now what happens if the real car has all driving aids turned off - no TCS, no ABS
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Taking the lazy way to helping cure the oversteer, I added 100kg to the far front of the car and reduced the toe of the wheels.
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I am surely not one of the best drivers around here (my best seasonal was around 675 th place with the Scirocco) and my reflexes are not what they used to be (the Abarth 1500 Biposto Bertone 1952 would be my birthday car),
so I like a car that is relatively easy to drive, even when pushed hard.
PP 627
Racing hard (and intermediates for lap 2 on the Nürburg 24)
All aids of, except ABS: 1
Suspension:
Ride height 92 - 80
Spring rate 15.81 - 19.24
Damper compression 4 - 5
Damper extension 4 - 5
Anti roll bars 3 - 4
Camber 2.3 - 1.5
Toe -0.10 - 0.33
Transmission: stock
LSD:
Initial torque 9
Acceleration sens. 25
Braking sens. 15
Aero:
Downforce 350-370 (sorry, should be 350 - 730 !!)
Ballast: none
Motortuning fase 3
Turbo: none
A few of these settings look completely unnatural to me (too), but that is one of the reasons I believe this car is "off".
I have the BasherBoard brake stiffener (hard) installed on my T500RS. I should try some softer bushings to get a bit more "feel" in the brake.
BUT: I never felt this need coming up, until this car
So please: try the settings, give it a few laps and tell me what you think (bearing in mind what I first wrote in this post). I am pretty sure the very good drivers will probably dislike, but...
I also have to mention that I used this car exclusively on the Nürburgring 24, so settings might be totally off for other circuits.
Edit: typing mistake in downforce: corrected to 730 !!
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