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More than loading times what makes GT5's system awful is how the menus are arranged. Can't blame the ps3's deficiencies much on that regard but the "game designers" themselves.
But even if they were properly made all the ownership stuff will still be a chore for everyone, more of it considering amar wants to expand it even if loading times are halved.
Here's a "20+ minutes" example and it shows other annoyances. Start gt5, disclaimers, get the time zone error (most users must be getting that as it is optional to synchronize it), then the intro video (same), an unnecessary main menu that takes loads to load even when no one cares about it after a day since we all want to go straight to gt life. That's a minute right there, and on that time I'd have picked a car and a track on forza4 and would be on a loading screen. Moreover I'd have played 45 seconds and counting on guitar hero 6, which has superb menus.
Finally on gt life I have to claim the dlc cars tickets and others so lets say 20, which is 10 minutes. Well lets go check the ocd and browse the ncd, another 5 minutes if you buy some cars, and then finally racing online (3 minutes considering the awful filters and loading times).
Uhm fgt ovals, but I need to do an oil change and restore the car. Ok, leave the lobby (which is a pain in the ass on itself), wait for everything to load, go to gt auto (the longest loading menu of the game), oil change, restore chassis, restore engine, go back to gt life (4 minutes). Finally get back to the lobby again (3 minutes) but the race already started.
Ok lets give the game a second chance, how about tuning some cars. That means going into the worst garage ever invented, going to gt auto (ugh), back to gt life then the separate tuning menu and trying them on track. Including being finally in-game that takes at least 5 minutes that could be easily avoided.
Ok I tested that one how about I pick another one in-game.......nope, can't (offline). Leave the track, gt life, repeat, throw the game away.
The dog somehow didn't eat the disc I threw away, third shot. Lets collect some cars, which is kind of obvious considering I can only pick like 40 in arcade mode out of more than a 1000 (gj PD).......and that's were mayhem begins, with 1000 cars each taking a minute and a lot more considering the ucd has to be refreshed and credits have to be farmed, probably on B-spec (another abomination).
When collecting cars in GT5 there are to the very least 24 hours wasted because of bad game design; 24 hours+ on black screens and menus that could have been avoided and used on playing the game. Add to that all what I described and more (yes I didn't mention even half of the biggest issues, like installing the game on the hdd) and the game is unbearable without actually getting to play it........and amar wants to expand it.
All that is mentioned on game reviews, and if it wasn't because this is a part of the GT series the game on itself would have been crushed (7.0 grade for an AAA title) because of this. Actually gt5 was crushed by gtp users, as we see every single day here, and the mainstream audience thinks forza4 and forza horizon are better games and that are progressing at least twice as fast. In forza4 I can be playing with 99% of cars in one minute and a half, that takes 24+ hours in GT5.
People overrate loading times. Lets be incredibly optimistic and say those will be halved somehow. That's still 18+ hours as menu and animations time is a longer than loading times, and that's without considering all the propositions that amar made which will certainly increase the annoyances and time.
But even if they were properly made all the ownership stuff will still be a chore for everyone, more of it considering amar wants to expand it even if loading times are halved.
Here's a "20+ minutes" example and it shows other annoyances. Start gt5, disclaimers, get the time zone error (most users must be getting that as it is optional to synchronize it), then the intro video (same), an unnecessary main menu that takes loads to load even when no one cares about it after a day since we all want to go straight to gt life. That's a minute right there, and on that time I'd have picked a car and a track on forza4 and would be on a loading screen. Moreover I'd have played 45 seconds and counting on guitar hero 6, which has superb menus.
Finally on gt life I have to claim the dlc cars tickets and others so lets say 20, which is 10 minutes. Well lets go check the ocd and browse the ncd, another 5 minutes if you buy some cars, and then finally racing online (3 minutes considering the awful filters and loading times).
Uhm fgt ovals, but I need to do an oil change and restore the car. Ok, leave the lobby (which is a pain in the ass on itself), wait for everything to load, go to gt auto (the longest loading menu of the game), oil change, restore chassis, restore engine, go back to gt life (4 minutes). Finally get back to the lobby again (3 minutes) but the race already started.
Ok lets give the game a second chance, how about tuning some cars. That means going into the worst garage ever invented, going to gt auto (ugh), back to gt life then the separate tuning menu and trying them on track. Including being finally in-game that takes at least 5 minutes that could be easily avoided.
Ok I tested that one how about I pick another one in-game.......nope, can't (offline). Leave the track, gt life, repeat, throw the game away.
The dog somehow didn't eat the disc I threw away, third shot. Lets collect some cars, which is kind of obvious considering I can only pick like 40 in arcade mode out of more than a 1000 (gj PD).......and that's were mayhem begins, with 1000 cars each taking a minute and a lot more considering the ucd has to be refreshed and credits have to be farmed, probably on B-spec (another abomination).
When collecting cars in GT5 there are to the very least 24 hours wasted because of bad game design; 24 hours+ on black screens and menus that could have been avoided and used on playing the game. Add to that all what I described and more (yes I didn't mention even half of the biggest issues, like installing the game on the hdd) and the game is unbearable without actually getting to play it........and amar wants to expand it.
All that is mentioned on game reviews, and if it wasn't because this is a part of the GT series the game on itself would have been crushed (7.0 grade for an AAA title) because of this. Actually gt5 was crushed by gtp users, as we see every single day here, and the mainstream audience thinks forza4 and forza horizon are better games and that are progressing at least twice as fast. In forza4 I can be playing with 99% of cars in one minute and a half, that takes 24+ hours in GT5.
People overrate loading times. Lets be incredibly optimistic and say those will be halved somehow. That's still 18+ hours as menu and animations time is a longer than loading times, and that's without considering all the propositions that amar made which will certainly increase the annoyances and time.
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and GT5 combined. And guess what, you know who buys 99% of games? "Mainstream audience". Voting with the wallet and that stories, you know. So please, restrain to call in opinions of "mainstream audience" with ideas how vocal minorities of various communities represents it. Mainstream audience opinion is something you can read from sales numbers in the periods after some game has already lived its "post release window" life, not from reading bitching on forums and talking among mind-like buddies.
