Three Hundred Miles Per Hour

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Hehe, another good speed.

Bah, you heretic ;) sure you can get three more miles per hour out of the old Merc rather than driving 440 yards and braking again :P

DE

Life's only meant to be lived 400m at a time DE. ;):sly: I'm actually spewing mcsqueegy beat the TVR record, I was less than 1mph off doing it myself and getting my first entry in the 300 club as a record!! :irked: Congrats to you anyway mcsqueegy. 👍

Back to the drawing board................*looks through list of near 300mph monsters that AREN'T on the board*
 
I hit 306.38 in the Bently Speed 8 race car, i used no cheats what so ever (everytime i do my PS2 freezes up). I Installed the Stage 4 turbo and autoset the tranny to 25 and set my final gear to 2.350 and slammed my car to the ground (lowered the car for those who dont understand)

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Nice speed/s. The Bentley is one of 2 LMP/class C's i don't have, because every time i race La Sarthe in B-spec, it does the infamous 'wall slamming' glitch about halfway through for the rest of the race! :banghead:

Hey Dark Elite, i just noticed something. The list doesn't have a Peugeot 905! Is that because you can't put Nitrous on it, like the Jag? Or is it for some other unknown reason...I don't have one yet, so i'm just curious at this stage.
*whispers*: I just got the Pagani Zonda LM on 297.02mph, another possible candidate? *hopes to get attention of experienced tuners...*
 
Right, we don't have any 300mph 905s - I've never owned one myself, so I'm not sure whether it can be fitted with nitrous or not - but, seeing as Group C cars are generally very capable machines, I guess it can't. The Jag XJR-9 can't take nitrous either, as you say, but it still managed 300mph - just - in the hands of three people. I reckon that's because it doesn't have the pain-in-the-arse gearbox of the 905, and that could be just about enough of a handicap to stop it being a 300mph car.

But hey. If you can get hold of one to try it, I'd be interested to see if that's right :P

'92_NSX_Type_R, you're one of few to use the Bentley as their first car - now, I have to ask you to confirm that you've read all of the rules outlined in Post #1, and that you followed all of them in your run?

DE
 
I tried the 905 not too long ago. It can't be fitted with Nitrous, and I only got 280-ish mph out of it after a few runs. It might be worthy, but it'll take a REALLY long time to get it perfect-and that's what it'll need to be. MasterStorm, I believe your challenge awaits.
 
The list doesn't have a Peugeot 905! Is that because you can't put Nitrous on it, like the Jag?
The tranny is terrible (though the handbrake glitch would probably alleviate this) and it has a terrible torque curve for this sort of thing (which is unsolvable, sadly).
 
'92_NSX_Type_R, you're one of few to use the Bentley as their first car - now, I have to ask you to confirm that you've read all of the rules outlined in Post #1, and that you followed all of them in your run?

DE

Yes sir i did :D. I do have a replay if you would like but I have no clue on how to get it from my memory card to the computer so ya lol.
 
^Look above^- 7000th post. And it looks like i got the 7000th reply. Congrats to you DE! And to all others who posted speeds to this day. Now i shall try out my new Peugeot (I wasn't exactly short of money) and see what I can do with it for fun. Also, i updated my Zonda LM- 297.51mph, or 478.78km/h. Anybody else want to try it? I daresay 'someone' can do better:)
 
pickie825491
how did you do it ? 380 out of a kaira zzll awesome .. any help appericated thanks MASTER STORM pickie825491 pm me
Oh, how very public-spirited...

mcsqueegy
^Look above^- 7000th post. And it looks like i got the 7000th reply. Congrats to you DE! And to all others who posted speeds to this day.
Ahh, I actually didn't notice we were getting close to a thousand :embarrassed:
Thank you :)

I'd be interested to hear update on the Peugeot - I seem to recall the old Jag took a bit of work, so, I wonder how that damned torque curve can be overcome?

Alright then, '92_NSX_Type_R, welcome to the Club!

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DE
 
I'd be interested to hear update on the Peugeot - I seem to recall the old Jag took a bit of work, so, I wonder how that damned torque curve can be overcome?
The Peugeot 905 Race Car won't make 300mph; it simple has far too low torque to push it much past 280mph. I've managed to break 285mph but that took quite a bit of tweaking. Certainly there isn't the tweaking room to find an extra 15mph.

In some ways the situation is similar to the Saleen S7's in that the car just seems to hit a brick wall once it reaches a certain speed. With the S7 it was only a few more mph that was required for 300mph, and even then it took obscene amounts of effort from one of the greatest high speed tuners here. Can you really imagine the 905 breaking the magic barrier when we have a full 15mph or so to find? :crazy:

The only possible chance of getting this thing close is the discovery of some major new tuning approach, much like the 'power shakes' discovery for 4WD cars. Unfortunately, RWD cars seem to be much more predictable than their 4WD counterparts, and I personally cannot envisage such a discovery happening.

I tried the 905 not too long ago. It can't be fitted with Nitrous, and I only got 280-ish mph out of it after a few runs. It might be worthy, but it'll take a REALLY long time to get it perfect-and that's what it'll need to be. MasterStorm, I believe your challenge awaits.
Thanks for the compliments, but as I've detailed above, I don't believe the 905 can make 300mph. 👍

how did you do it ? 380 out of a kaira zzll awesome .. any help appericated thanks MASTER STORM pickie825491 pm me
I'm posting my response to this here so that everyone can benefit. :D

With the speed currently sitting at the top of our esteemed leader board, I'm not going to divulge anything specific about my setup. I can however discuss some of the approaches used in a broader sense.

With almost all 4WD cars the key to achieving high speed is a trick known as the 'power shakes'. Essentially this is an aerodynamic and driving state which the car can fall into during which it experiences phenomenal acceleration. Most players first experience the power shakes when tuning a fully loaded Subaru Impreza Spec C for quick standing 400m or 1000m times. In a high speed setup, the tactic is to make the power shakes occur at a high speed rather than a low speed, and to make them last for as long as possible (in the ZZII, I can experience power shakes from 220mph right through to 380+mph).

Unfortunately, there's no hard and fast rule for achieving these high speed power shakes. Every car is different, and even when you have a setup that is capable of the power shakes, there's no guarantee that the car will actually perform them; my Tommy Kaira setup is fairly well trained and will power shake on around 60-70% of runs, whereas my Impreza will only achieve the shakes about 5-10% of the time (and even then I have to twitch side to side rapidly to activate it).

The general approach seems to be to create a grip and aerodynamic anomaly between the front and rear of the car. I often run hard rear suspension (high spring rates) with super hard front tyres, but this is just a personal preference. I've certainly achieved the power shakes with both super soft front tyres and soft rear suspension. Many of you have also noticed my Tommy Kaira has a high front camber. This is simply to reduce the surface contact area of the tyres, thus reducing the grip; once again it's not essential to achieving the power shakes. The driving line you take will affect the chance of the shakes occurring.

For the aerodynamics, it's simply a matter of balancing ride height, downforce and ballast to hold the car in a power shaking position for as long as possible. Spring rate also plays a key role here, as that can affect the position the body will move towards as the forces from downforce increase. Many cars will have more than one aerodynamic position from which they can power shake, each with its own set of 'shake characteristics'; for example, my Tommy Kaira has a very powerful and rough power shake, whereas the setup used by I-Runner shakes much more smoothly. Knowing how each of these settings affects the power shakes is something you really have to learn yourself, and some of the things required to achieve a good setup are very counter intuitive; experimentation is essential here, as it was an experiment that uncovered high speed power shakes in the first place. Once again I must stress that every car is different; it's not like RWD cars where the same general setup can be used.

It's worthwhile remembering that a slight tap of the barrier can often 'kick in' the power shakes; whilst this is not allowed for official runs, it can make testing the capabilities of your setup a bit easier (especially if the car is stubborn to shaking, like my Impreza).

Anyway, whilst there's nothing specific above (due to the nature of shakes), it should still give you some things to think about. There's nothing here that can't be worked out from a bit of experimentation, but I feel that many high speed tuners give up too easily when it comes to 4WD cars; the information above should help you overcome that first hurdle.

On a final note, I strongly recommend that those new to the high speed tuning world stick with RWD cars first. It takes significantly longer to tune a 4WD car to its maximum potential than it does for a RWD car; its not difficult to spend a good 100 or more runs just trying to get the car to shake in the first place, especially if you don't have a lot of high speed experience to guide your tuning.

I hope this post has been helpful. :)
 
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The Peugeot 905 Race Car won't make 300mph; it simple has far too low torque to push it much past 280mph. I've managed to break 285mph but that took quite a bit of tweaking. Certainly there isn't the tweaking room to find an extra 15mph.

In some ways the situation is similar to the Saleen S7's in that the car just seems to hit a brick wall once it reaches a certain speed. With the S7 it was only a few more mph that was required for 300mph, and even then it took obscene amounts of effort from one of the greatest high speed tuners here. Can you really imagine the 905 breaking the magic barrier when we have a full 15mph or so to find?

The only possible chance of getting this thing close is the discovery of some major new tuning approach, much like the 'power shakes' discovery for 4WD cars. Unfortunately, RWD cars seem to be much more predictable than their 4WD counterparts, and I personally cannot envisage such a discovery happening.
That certainly does explain why we haven't got one yet! If the situation is that dire, and the gap that huge, I don't regret not owning one of the cars ;)
Thanks for the info, though, saves me persuading people to try it :P

As for the rest of your post... Well, it's a shame the reputation system is gone, that's all I can say. I know just about enough to fully appreciate everything you've said, and I'm very grateful to you for making it available to the 300mph Club thread like that. Top man :cheers:

DE
 
Now that made me curious. Great info. I don't plan on making a TK do 380, but I do wonder, is this "power shakes" phenomenon remotely realistic, or is it simply a fluke of the game's physics engine? It does sound a little wild to actually happen in real life...
 
thanks for the push MASTER STORM i think i smoewhat understand what your talking about. i,ve put 611 miles on my gt one [tso2o] my main stumbling block is in the gear ratios. but ,im a hard headed missourian at heart ,back to the track again thanks
 
Austin343
I do wonder, is this "power shakes" phenomenon remotely realistic, or is it simply a fluke of the game's physics engine? It does sound a little wild to actually happen in real life...
It's about as realistic as lifting the front wheels off the ground causing a massive boost in acceleration ;)

Or, indeed, as getting a 906bhp road car to do 380mph!

DE
 
I don't plan on making a TK do 380, but I do wonder, is this "power shakes" phenomenon remotely realistic, or is it simply a fluke of the game's physics engine?
GT4's top speed physics engine is poop. If power shakes happened in real life, the tires would explode from the pressure constantly shifting from left to right (all while being pressed down), and the suspension would likely collapse.
 
Come to think of it, the tyres would explode due to the heat produced from the friction at 380mph anyway, not to mention the downforce created adding enough weight to crush the suspension as well. We're not supposed to be able to do what we do :P

DE
 
Come to think of it, the tyres would explode due to the heat produced from the friction at 380mph anyway, not to mention the downforce created adding enough weight to crush the suspension as well. We're not supposed to be able to do what we do :P

DE

Too right we aren't:nervous:,just imagine your car shaking at 350+mph! I think i would be sick. Anyway, i've hit a wall with the Zonda LM...297.80mph. I know this can do 300 in the right hands, so can someone, please try it? Much would be appreciated:).
 
Hehe, my car at 350mph? Now even I don't think it can do that ;)

As for the Zonda LM, unfortunately I've no idea. And I'm rubbish these days anyway :P although... I did manage the McLaren back in the day, so it might be possible? How much time have you spent on it?

DE
 
Well, i've only spent 3 days on it, and my first attempt was 296 dead. I mean, not everyone will have the Zonda, because of 🤬 DM 23 with those Skylines... but I expect the expert tuners, (you know who you are) ,could beat that...not by a huge amount, but enough. I'm going to keep trying anyway, i'm too close to give up. And, with the infamous Peugeot, I could manage 282.03mph... Its power curve reminds me of the Option Stream Z...they are just too inconvenient to use.
 
Well, i've only spent 3 days on it, and my first attempt was 296 dead. I mean, not everyone will have the Zonda, because of 🤬 DM 23 with those Skylines... but I expect the expert tuners, (you know who you are) ,could beat that...not by a huge amount, but enough. I'm going to keep trying anyway, i'm too close to give up. And, with the infamous Peugeot, I could manage 282.03mph... Its power curve reminds me of the Option Stream Z...they are just too inconvenient to use.

well how's this, give me the setup for it and i will try to help you out with what i can. Also i almost have the Option Stream Z upto 300 but im about 3.5MPH off :S but im getting closer.
 
Well, i'd love to, but my GT4 time is seriously compromised at the moment, as my PS2 is getting chipped, properly this time. I didn't write down the setup either, stupid me.
 
Also i almost have the Option Stream Z upto 300 but im about 3.5MPH off :S but im getting closer.

Good luck with that! 👍 I Tried with that car for a while, and was 2 or 3 MPH off 300, and I have no idea how to push it further :ouch: I'm not too experienced, though, so I wish you all the best :)
 
I got one quick question: has anyone tried to get a Honda or an Acura into here? I've been trying the Takata NSX but im topping out at about 280-285MPH and trying to find some how to come up with the extra speed, any ideas?
 
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