Time Trial #56

[WightSparky]

I had a go with your tune. I found I could beat my ghost regularly to sector 2. But the 3rd sector i seemed slower. I think more ballast than what Im using is definitely quicker but its harder to handle for me.

Had another go with my tune and got a 1'30.974 but using your gears, cheers for posting.

For the corner you said your struggling I use a tiny flick of handbrake and use a bit of throttle to help turn the car in.

Edit

Down to a 1'30.835 wasn't using the propeller shaft upgrade. Don't think it made up all the time though. Was smoother through the final sector.

Well done, so you gained 0.4 overall.
You could zero the toe angles on my setup and then adjust to your liking from there.

I'm too tired today to give it another go.
I still think its more down to driving skill with this one.

 

[light driver]

Nope. I never use it and I regularly get top 30's

Hey doodleguy...You are kind of my hero, because You use a controller....I am a contoller man too, but not anywhere near Your rankings....But I resemble my own (lack of) skill with controller drivers, very often it is You who is the best in the World...Not always, there are other skilled controller people out there...But Yor´re one of them....Must be cool to be You...

 

[BanditKarter22]

Nope. I never use it and I regularly get top 30's

Yeah, but it does make a noticeable difference on a wheel especially if the gears in your wheel are worn out and there is a bit of slack in them.

 

[Doodle]

Hey doodleguy...You are kind of my hero, because You use a controller....I am a contoller man too, but not anywhere near Your rankings....But I resemble my own (lack of) skill with controller drivers, very often it is You who is the best in the World...Not always, there are other skilled controller people out there...But Yor´re one of them....Must be cool to be You...

Aww thanks!

 

[Downhill Dino]

I use your ghosts to go faster.

 

[ItsAllAboutWins]

A lot of bromancing in here today.

 

[WightSparky]

Found an improvement. 1:31.009
After a few days break came back to it and found my car was a bit of a handfull and took a while to catch up again. As a result made some minor adjustments which gained me about 0.4sec. in the first sector, managed to hold it through the second sector and then dropped a bit of time in the last 2 sectors but overall gained 0.25sec.
Mirrored the tune onto a new car also and found there was not a lot of difference. I was more consistant with new car setup than the run-in setup.

Setup based on a new car...

Murcielago LP 670-4 Superveloce '09 (no oil change)
514Bhp 1468Kg for 550PP

Full Weight Reduction (Stage 3)
No engine mods & no extra PP related parts.

Rear Aero: 15
Ballast: 200Kg @50
Power: 80.2%

Transmission: Reset default, set Max speed to min (149) then set individual gears and final.
1st: 4.448
2nd: 3.324
3rd: 2.530
4th: 2.051
5th: 1.690
6th: 1.400
Final: 2.824

LSD F/R
Initial: 5 / 5
Accel.: 8 / 12
Brake: 5 / 5
Torq. Dist.: 30 / 70

Suspension
Ride Height: -17 / 15
Spring: 10.5 / 17.0
Ext.: 6 / 8
Comp.: 5 / 6
ARB: 4 / 7

Camb.: 1.9 / 1.1
Toe.: 0.02 / 0.01

Brakes: 3 / 6
--------------------

Run-in car same except...

Murcielago LP 670-4 Superveloce '09 (run-in with no oil change)
510Bhp 1468Kg for 550PP
Power: 77.3%

You want to adjust rear LSD accel. to 13

 

[JHKnight427]

Nope. I never use it and I regularly get top 30's

I've never used active steering, but if it is what I think it is, some of the newer BMW's have it...where at slower speed you need more steering input to achieve the same turn radius than you would at higher speed. correct me if I'm wrong though, it's just my understanding.

 

[Lou8ball]

Found an improvement. 1:31.009
After a few days break came back to it and found my car was a bit of a handfull and took a while to catch up again. As a result made some minor adjustments which gained me about 0.4sec. in the first sector, managed to hold it through the second sector and then dropped a bit of time in the last 2 sectors but overall gained 0.25sec.
Mirrored the tune onto a new car also and found there was not a lot of difference. I was more consistant with new car setup than the run-in setup.

Setup based on a new car...

Murcielago LP 670-4 Superveloce '09 (no oil change)
514Bhp 1468Kg for 550PP

Full Weight Reduction (Stage 3)
No engine mods & no extra PP related parts.

Rear Aero: 15
Ballast: 200Kg @50
Power: 80.2%

Transmission: Reset default, set Max speed to min (149) then set individual gears and final.
1st: 4.448
2nd: 3.324
3rd: 2.530
4th: 2.051
5th: 1.690
6th: 1.400
Final: 2.824

LSD F/R
Initial: 5 / 5
Accel.: 8 / 12
Brake: 5 / 5
Torq. Dist.: 30 / 70

Suspension
Ride Height: -17 / 15
Spring: 10.5 / 17.0
Ext.: 6 / 8
Comp.: 5 / 6
ARB: 4 / 7

Camb.: 1.9 / 1.1
Toe.: 0.02 / 0.01

Brakes: 3 / 6
--------------------

Run-in car same except...

Murcielago LP 670-4 Superveloce '09 (run-in with no oil change)
510Bhp 1468Kg for 550PP
Power: 77.3%

You want to adjust rear LSD accel. to 13

Nice improvement mate. Cheers for your tune.
I found a bit more time too, I raised the front torque setting so Im running 40/60. I looked at amo's which is 40/60 and a few in the top 10 are running 45/55 - you can see all the in car settings such as abs and brake balance in the replays if you have the in-car settings mapped to your controller

Got a 1'30.68 should be able to find one more tenth if Im lucky, and not fed up of the track after running the WRS here last week as well lol!

Also Im running max ballast now. Its definitely faster, but takes a while to get used to. Needed a few runs to get used to it

 

[JHKnight427]

I have a question that hopefully one of the wiser posters will be able to answer:

I have tried many a tune posted here and everywhere else on the web and I am definitely having trouble with this Lamborghini trial. I aim to hit top 1000 on every TT and i often end up hitting my mark. sometimes top 700 sometimes around the 1200 mark, but i can't do this one....I'm stuck at 1:34.xx up at almost 5000...what the heck?

I also tend to do better with a flat car (even suspension) but people do better with the back end up, I just can't keep those tunes going straight or through a corner...any recommendations?

 

[Killermiller24]

I have a question that hopefully one of the wiser posters will be able to answer:

I have tried many a tune posted here and everywhere else on the web and I am definitely having trouble with this Lamborghini trial. I aim to hit top 1000 on every TT and i often end up hitting my mark. sometimes top 700 sometimes around the 1200 mark, but i can't do this one....I'm stuck at 1:34.xx up at almost 5000...what the heck?

I also tend to do better with a flat car (even suspension) but people do better with the back end up, I just can't keep those tunes going straight or through a corner...any recommendations?

Do you use the right tires?

 

[WightSparky]

Nice improvement mate. Cheers for your tune.
I found a bit more time too, I raised the front torque setting so Im running 40/60. I looked at amo's which is 40/60 and a few in the top 10 are running 45/55 - you can see all the in car settings such as abs and brake balance in the replays if you have the in-car settings mapped to your controller

Got a 1'30.68 should be able to find one more tenth if Im lucky, and not fed up of the track after running the WRS here last week as well lol!

Also Im running max ballast now. Its definitely faster, but takes a while to get used to. Needed a few runs to get used to it

Will try the torque settings, was thinking that earlier today because the difference with new car and run-in car (rather than adjusting the LSD acceleration). Thanks good info.👍

Great time, well done. 👍
Hopefully i'll get into 1:30's soon, i'm so close.

It takes me a lap or 2 to get upto speed as well.
By accident i only recently noticed how much of the 1st corner at the chicane can be cut. I programmed myself to cleanly do the chicane and i'm struggling now to cut it more. So far i have not got it in any of my fast times.

P.S. Is your friends list full? wanted to send a friend invite but no option on your profile.

 

[WightSparky]

I have a question that hopefully one of the wiser posters will be able to answer:

I have tried many a tune posted here and everywhere else on the web and I am definitely having trouble with this Lamborghini trial. I aim to hit top 1000 on every TT and i often end up hitting my mark. sometimes top 700 sometimes around the 1200 mark, but i can't do this one....I'm stuck at 1:34.xx up at almost 5000...what the heck?

I also tend to do better with a flat car (even suspension) but people do better with the back end up, I just can't keep those tunes going straight or through a corner...any recommendations?

Running with a level car or even lower to the ground would be easier to drive but does not allways get you a fast time.
You're making a more stable car but introducing understeer causing you to brake more. The car already suffered with understeer being that it is so light at the front. The combination of my tune introduces oversteer allowing me to get on the accellerator early in the corner.

 

[JHKnight427]

Do you use the right tires?

Yeah, that was the first thing i checked, lol...I've improved my time with just practice/tuning to my liking but i'm still no better than a 1:34.23...I'm gonna just try brute force with the other tunes to see if i can get used it.

 

[JHKnight427]

Running with a level car or even lower to the ground would be easier to drive but does not allways get you a fast time.
You're making a more stable car but introducing understeer causing you to brake more. The car already suffered with understeer being that it is so light at the front. The combination of my tune introduces oversteer allowing me to get on the accellerator early in the corner.

OK, Thank you. I usually do lower it, and as much as I've been learning about tuning I (naively) did not know that it would introduce understeer. I have noticed how bad it is with the lambo...since reading your post i've began slowly raising the back end and I have had some success...Maybe i jst haveto get used to it. when i go all the way from the start, i have a lot of trouble, maybe slowly raising it to where yours (and other tunes) are will get me there. It's just frustrating to have had good times with other TT's then suck so badly at this one.

I'm going to skim through and find yours and give it a go. I've tried everything else, it's time to do what everyone else has had success with.

Thank you very much for your input, I'd love to get to a point where others will use my tunes, I'm trying to soak up as much knowledge as i can about everything in the mean time. I really appreciate it.

 

[WightSparky]

OK, Thank you. I usually do lower it, and as much as I've been learning about tuning I (naively) did not know that it would introduce understeer. I have noticed how bad it is with the lambo...since reading your post i've began slowly raising the back end and I have had some success...Maybe i jst haveto get used to it. when i go all the way from the start, i have a lot of trouble, maybe slowly raising it to where yours (and other tunes) are will get me there. It's just frustrating to have had good times with other TT's then suck so badly at this one.

I'm going to skim through and find yours and give it a go. I've tried everything else, it's time to do what everyone else has had success with.

Thank you very much for your input, I'd love to get to a point where others will use my tunes, I'm trying to soak up as much knowledge as i can about everything in the mean time. I really appreciate it.

Sounds like your going the right way about it. As you get used to it you will see you want a bit more oversteer and keep notching it up. My tune requires quite gentle control with steering, braking and accellerating in corners. It is possible to accellerate even with a bit of slide from the rear without spinning off.

 

[NCRthree]

WightSparky, I've been using your tune for this but without ABS or any other aids. I changed the ballast to be -10 and B/B of 4/1 and 5/0. Otherwise I got way too much initial oversteer and had little steering feel. I was really struggling to get accurate steering response until I put the weight forward. Your tune has been the easiest and fastest for me, thanks.

Got a 1.32.461 so far-cockpit view no aids. Got faster once I cut down on the sliding-so easy to get too deep and drift.

 

[WightSparky]

WightSparky, I've been using your tune for this but without ABS or any other aids. I changed the ballast to be -10 and B/B of 4/1 and 5/0. Otherwise I got way too much initial oversteer and had little steering feel. I was really struggling to get accurate steering response until I put the weight forward. Your tune has been the easiest and fastest for me, thanks.

Got a 1.32.461 so far-cockpit view no aids. Got faster once I cut down on the sliding-so easy to get too deep and drift.

Assuming all you have adjusted is weight position and brake bias.
Your biggest problem is the brake bias. As you have it now your relying on the front brakes to do all the work and causing the sliding out/locking up. Take a more ballanced approach with the brakes and then work toward a rear bias.
You could also try with zero rear toe if the rear is stepping out to much for you, or add a little wing until you get used to it.

I have been in the past a front end to ballanced braker which allows the car to turn in under braking but over the past few months gradually adjusted myself to a loose rear to turn the car quicker and be able to accellerate earlier through the corner.

Hope that helps

 

[psvsba1971]

thanks a million buddy just manage 1.31.583 the car is awesome the event is awesome and your set up well simply fantastic all the best keep up the good work

 

[WightSparky]

thanks a million buddy just manage 1.31.583 the car is awesome the event is awesome and your set up well simply fantastic all the best keep up the good work

I assume thats me your thanking. If so thankyou and glad you like it. Cheers.
Im not the best tuner or driver and still learning so it takes me quite a while to get a half decent tune, the top guys are on other events for now.

 

[NCRthree]

Assuming all you have adjusted is weight position and brake bias.
Your biggest problem is the brake bias. As you have it now your relying on the front brakes to do all the work and causing the sliding out/locking up. Take a more ballanced approach with the brakes and then work toward a rear bias.
You could also try with zero rear toe if the rear is stepping out to much for you, or add a little wing until you get used to it.

I have been in the past a front end to ballanced braker which allows the car to turn in under braking but over the past few months gradually adjusted myself to a loose rear to turn the car quicker and be able to accellerate earlier through the corner.

Hope that helps

OK, I'll try some added rear brake but without ABS it's so easy to get rear lockup with anything over 2. Maybe it's different with the SV. Thanks.

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

Nice improvement mate. Cheers for your tune.
I found a bit more time too, I raised the front torque setting so Im running 40/60. I looked at amo's which is 40/60 and a few in the top 10 are running 45/55 - you can see all the in car settings such as abs and brake balance in the replays if you have the in-car settings mapped to your controller

Got a 1'30.68 should be able to find one more tenth if Im lucky, and not fed up of the track after running the WRS here last week as well lol!

Also Im running max ballast now. Its definitely faster, but takes a while to get used to. Needed a few runs to get used to it

how do you see the car settings what iam i looking for

 

[WightSparky]

OK, I'll try some added rear brake but without ABS it's so easy to get rear lockup with anything over 2. Maybe it's different with the SV. Thanks.

Ah. Your not driving the SV.
Sorry, was not aware of that fact.

I use ABS 1. only. You obviously like a challenge then.
I have tried it in the past and found it very difficult to be consistant. Yes you do need very low settings without ABS but i tried to keep the ratio between front and rear. (i.e. 3/6 with to 1/2 without)

Some of the other guys have been working with no ABS maybe they could help.

 

[WightSparky]

how do you see the car settings what iam i looking for

This is the basic settings that can be seen/adjusted while you are on the track. You would need to go to the settings for the controller in 'Options' to set it up. It was introduced for the Driving Force GT wheel but can be set up for others. What controller are you using? (not sure if it can be done for DS3).

 

[WightSparky]

Busy day.

I'd like to do a few laps now.

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

This is the basic settings that can be seen/adjusted while you are on the track. You would need to go to the settings for the controller in 'Options' to set it up. It was introduced for the Driving Force GT wheel but can be set up for others. What controller are you using? (not sure if it can be done for DS3).

t500rs Ill have a look in options

 

[WightSparky]

t500rs Ill have a look in options

Ok you need 5 buttons.
1 for menu
2 for select +, select -
2 for adjustment +, adjustment -

 

[WightSparky]

Got my 1:30. Actually 1:30.951

Gave the torque ratio 40/60 a few runs and also reduced LSD accel. on the front to 7. Not a great deal of difference as far as i can tell. I think i have a max 0.25sec still in it but that will have to do today.
I'm happy now with my time provided the No.1 time stays the same. If i get knocked out the top 100 i may have to give it another run.

 

[Lou8ball]

Got my 1:30. Actually 1:30.951

Gave the torque ratio 40/60 a few runs and also reduced LSD accel. on the front to 7. Not a great deal of difference as far as i can tell. I think i have a max 0.25sec still in it but that will have to do today.
I'm happy now with my time provided the No.1 time stays the same. If i get knocked out the top 100 i may have to give it another run.

Nice going mate,
Yeah I've tried a lot of variations on the tune. I found changing the ride height doesn't make much difference to my lap times.
Tried -17,20. -17,-15 and -17,0. I think its more important to stay on the optimum line and really nail the throttle early on the exit for this tt.
Managed a 1'30.57 had a 1'30.46 but it went red on turn 2 so i think i drove better as I knew it wouldn't have counted anyway lol.

 

[WightSparky]

Nice going mate,
Yeah I've tried a lot of variations on the tune. I found changing the ride height doesn't make much difference to my lap times.
Tried -17,20. -17,-15 and -17,0. I think its more important to stay on the optimum line and really nail the throttle early on the exit for this tt.
Managed a 1'30.57 had a 1'30.46 but it went red on turn 2 so i think i drove better as I knew it wouldn't have counted anyway lol.

Cheers, and well done to you too.

Initially as i reduced the wing i found that raising the rear helped. I could'nt get my head around it at the time but seemed to work. Cars a bit more stable now so i will look at that again. I've tried playing with a lot of variations also and found no difference in times. It does not make it easy to setup.

Edit: Played with ride height. I found it understeers more with a lower rear.