Time Trial #63 880PP Formula GT/480PP Subaru Impreza

[Ridox2JZGTE]

That question should be asked to ImmortalPilot which now has 1:09.325 Just to be thorough. Can't have it one side only.

 

[Penelope]

Mikos_87,
I have a question for you;

Can you comfirm that the Formula GT car you're using to achieve your times in this time trial hasn't in any way been altered by way of hacking, either by using a hack tool, via a hex editor, or by any other method?

Before replying may I suggest you check and double check your car before giving me your answer.

It's very late now (need sleep) so I will come back later today to see if you've replied.

Naughty mod is sorry for the double post.

As stated above, this question should be put to IP too, if you expect an honest answer from either your deluded.

 

[arora]

Jerry is not deluded, quite the opposite actually.

 

[IMMORTALPILOT]

That question should be asked to ImmortalPilot which now has 1:09.325 Just to be thorough. Can't have it one side only.

Which question you have?

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

This is it...

Mikos_87,
I have a question for you;

Can you comfirm that the Formula GT car you're using to achieve your times in this time trial hasn't in any way been altered by way of hacking, either by using a hack tool, via a hex editor, or by any other method?

Before replying may I suggest you check and double check your car before giving me your answer.

It's very late now (need sleep) so I will come back later today to see if you've replied.

Naughty mod is sorry for the double post.

Which question you have?

From the questions IMMORTALPILOT has been asking today, he has no experience with hacking tools or using hacked cars. I'm guessing he's a little upset. I think everyone understands he is a little competitive.

 

[IMMORTALPILOT]

I dont use hacked Car look my replay there you can see I dont use it.
I have won all last F1 Time Trials my most World Records was in Stock Cars with Setup banned. I dont understand also how to make it with whole save data and this things.
When I would use this hacks I would drive with this 1,07 times with the heavy grip that the cheaters have there

 

[Lock2Lock]

I dont use hacked Car look my replay there you can see I dont use it.
I have won all last F1 Time Trials my most World Records was in Stock Cars with Setup banned. I dont understand also how to make it with whole save data and this things.
When I would use this hacks I would drive with this 1,07 times with the heavy grip that the cheaters have there

Agreed. I honestly believe you are not using hacked cars/parts. You have held many records in the TT. You are very hard to beat in these F1 Races.

 

[Dalone]

Thanks for your loaner Suba, just cracked the 1:34 barrier with it, just, but cracked all the same.

Now on 1:33.988 pos# 463.

Sure I can still do better with it mate, good on ya!

Only thing I found restrictive was TC @3. Put it @1 and it suits me better. Cheers.

edit..Yep, knocked a little more off thanks to your loaner SUBA, now on 1:33.822 pos 392, just a tad in front of you now.
Have to take the boys to their AFL game in a minute so not much time for more now. Thanks again to you and pmjg for sharing cars and tunes.

 

[Penelope]

I dont use hacked Car look my replay there you can see I dont use it.
I have won all last F1 Time Trials my most World Records was in Stock Cars with Setup banned. I dont understand also how to make it with whole save data and this things.
When I would use this hacks I would drive with this 1,07 times with the heavy grip that the cheaters have there

It's NOT a world record, it's first place in a games console driving game!

Why should anyone believe anything you say, someone who is capable of issuing death threats because someone is faster than you is obviously willing to do anything to be number one, you are just as capable of cheating as anyone else.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I dont use hacked Car look my replay there you can see I dont use it.
I have won all last F1 Time Trials my most World Records was in Stock Cars with Setup banned. I dont understand also how to make it with whole save data and this things.
When I would use this hacks I would drive with this 1,07 times with the heavy grip that the cheaters have there

Well, you will have to provide proof for others to believe you. I am truly sorry, but from the things I've seen from your Youtube comments, your post history and your general attitude, I wouldn't put my trust on your words alone. Anyone can deny they never use or know anything about hacking.

I will leave this to the moderator or anyone who have the capacity to analyze the replays and you might do well by providing evidence - such as your most recent save data file or a video recording of your lap right from the car tuning screen to the track time posted.

Agreed. I honestly believe you are not using hacked cars/parts. You have held many records in the TT. You are very hard to beat in these F1 Races.

So you are certain that 1:09.3xxx is within the limits of a legit car ?

 

[Lock2Lock]

It's NOT a world record, it's first place in a games console driving game!

Why should anyone believe anything you say, someone who is capable of issuing death threats because someone is faster than you is obviously willing to do anything to be number one, you are just as capable of cheating as anyone else.

I'm sure that's what he meant. World Record as in number one in the world.

Capable, yes. Anyone with a little to no knowledge in computers can hybrid. Some of the hybrid programs are such a user friendly program a 9 tear old could do it.

So you are certain that 1:09.3xxx is within the limits of a legit car ?

I honestly do not know. I do believe he is being truthful. But I do agree with the point that he should provide proof

 

[jimipitbull]

I dont use hacked Car look my replay there you can see I dont use it.
I have won all last F1 Time Trials my most World Records was in Stock Cars with Setup banned. I dont understand also how to make it with whole save data and this things.
When I would use this hacks I would drive with this 1,07 times with the heavy grip that the cheaters have there

You keep saying everyone else running similar times is cheating.

But it's not cheating when you or Lance Armstrong do it?

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

The crazy thing is that he could probably prove it by using a hack and running a substantially faster lap than current No1. But he doesn't want to cross that line ( and shouldn't)

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The crazy thing is that he could probably prove it by using a hack and running a substantially faster lap than current No1. But he doesn't want to cross that line.

That's not proving anything at all, almost anyone can be close - 1:10s to or faster than IP's times with enough laps and given a hacked car.

What worries me is that the hacking tools are available for free and very easy to use - even a little kid can use it. No words can guarantee someone never use one.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

What?

I'm saying the irony is he could prove he wasn't using a hacked car, by using one. Not sure how else he could do it.

 

[RedPartyhat]

When some people are going 10, sometimes 20 MPH faster in corners then Spurgy, Immortal, and GTD_B4nami and also going a lot slower in the straights, doesn't that leave some suspicion of a hacked car? IMMORTAL takes turn 1 @ 82 MPH, reaches 177MPH on the straight and takes the left,right-hander @ 79 and 85MPH respectively. Spurgy takes turn 1 @ 81MPH, peaks on the straight @ 177MPH, and takes the left right-hander @ 80 and 82MPH respectively.

GTD_Mikos takes turn 1 @ 86MPH (and doesn't even use the entire road while making turn 1), peaks @ 167MPH (even though he had a better exit speed then IMMORTAL and Spurgy ), makes the left-right @ 99 and 95MPH respectively. A lot of you guys are saying "Work on your setups". I never knew setup changes could make a 15-20MPH difference for corners.

mciccembrjue takes turn 1 @ 89MPH, tops out @ 167MPH, screws up the left-hander yet still manages a 95MPH and a 100MPH for the right hander.

Also Spurgy tells me he only runs about 15 ballast.

Only reason these people don't beat IMMORTAL is because they lack a lot of straight line speed and IMMORTAL did a flawless lap.

 

[Mikos_87]

I'm out from this TT, it's gonna be a joke. I don't play anymore, pass the desire to drive. I understood only immortal, for the entire world, can win events with fgt or f1. Even he do 1:08:xxx, his lap will be always legit, because he is the best, so he can...Even if he may have changed downforce, for example 90 100 in order to maintain high end speed and not to arouse suspicion. no one can really know who is cheating and who is not.

Said this I salute you and good TT...

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I'm out from this TT, it's gonna be a joke. I don't play anymore, pass the desire to drive. I understood only immortal, for the entire world, can win events with fgt or f1. Even he do 1:08:xxx, his lap will be always legit, because he is the best, so he can...Even if he may have changed downforce, for example 90 100 in order to maintain high end speed and not to arouse suspicion. no one can really know who is cheating and who is not.

Said this I salute you and good TT...

That's too bad Some might think ImmortalPilot times are legit, some don't, that's just how the world goes. I wouldn't be convinced myself if ImmortalPilot is legit until his save file is analyzed, also a video of his car tuning screen - entering the TT, see his lap and posted the lap time.

Like you said, cheating or not is very hard to discern. Only a solid undeniable proof could brought forth the truth.

I have a question, is his time of 1:09.325 can be for certain possible with a legit car ? If he goes any faster, what do you think about it ?

 

[Sphinx]

I'm out from this TT, it's gonna be a joke. I don't play anymore, pass the desire to drive. I understood only immortal, for the entire world, can win events with fgt or f1. Even he do 1:08:xxx, his lap will be always legit, because he is the best, so he can...Even if he may have changed downforce, for example 90 100 in order to maintain high end speed and not to arouse suspicion. no one can really know who is cheating and who is not.

Said this I salute you and good TT...

Mikos_87,
please respond to my question, or at least acknowledge that you have read my post and are preparing an answer.

Mikos_87,
I have a question for you;

Can you comfirm that the Formula GT car you're using to achieve your times in this time trial hasn't in any way been altered by way of hacking, either by using a hack tool, via a hex editor, or by any other method?

Before replying may I suggest you check and double check your car before giving me your answer.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I have a theory here, what if someone uses just a little bit higher downforce say if max legit is 70/90, then increasing it to 72/94 and tune it to 880PP and drive right at the limit - the driver might also tune the car to maintain higher top speed so as not to arouse suspicion in the replay , I am sure this is highly possible with alien drivers who can maintain control on the limit easily and consistently.

This will only yield faster lap time by a minimum margin and seems legit on the replay - even more so in the hands of skilled driver. Tires : RH (C) might also be used together, I'm pretty sure even an alien driver could make use of the tire for added consistency and better precision in driving, without arousing suspicion if used with a little bit less downforce or more to compensate the added grip - depend on the situation and purpose.

My guess those who have under 1:09.8xxx are perfectly questionable, regardless of past TT achievements ( to be fair, this is only my opinion, right now I am just speculating )

 

[Voxalizer]

It's a shame really in this TT it has come to a point where people seem guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Sphinx]

My guess those who have under 1:09.8xxx are perfectly questionable, regardless of past TT achievements

Guessing is a dangerous game and could land you in trouble here if you start pointing fingers, albeit indirectly so far. Be careful.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Guessing is a dangerous game and could land you in trouble here if you start pointing fingers, albeit indirectly so far. Be careful.

Simply stating my guesstimate for the time margin of possible suspicion of cheating, nothing more, I won't point names, but the time and name listed at the top of the rank is kind of obvious.

I'm trying to be careful, thanks for the reminder.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Simply stating my guesstimate for the time margin of possible suspicion of cheating, nothing more, I won't point names, but the time and name listed at the top of the rank is kind of obvious.

I'm trying to be careful, thanks for the reminder.

1:09.6/7 is what I can do with all my best sectors

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

1:09.6/7 is what I can do with all my best sectors

Then shall I say 1:09.6xx be safe from suspicion ? This is the hard part, until we can be sure the fastest possible limit for a legit car, setting any higher margin would be a risky, better be safe than sorry

If we could have an alien driver to test downforce and tire combo trickery to ascertain the time benefits and whether the replay could be manipulated to look legit - via tuning, it would make things a lot more clearer. Maybe we can know then whether a posted time worth to be suspected or not just by the lap time and replay view.

Could be interesting and useful endeavor.

 

[BanditKarter22]

I think we can be pretty sure that ImmortalPilot isn't cheating. He is a very fast driver and the amount of time he spends practicing in the formula cars on GT it's not surprising that he can go so fast.

I know from when I used to drive karts on GT all the time. I started off driving around Autumn Ring Mini which is a very short track, and only 2 corners that you have to brake for in a 125cc kart. When I first attempted to set a fast lap around there I only did a 35.679 which I thought was close to perfect at the time. As I continued to practice I found even more time and after a few thousand laps I had got down to a 35.499 with another few hundreths lefts on track.

I think this is the reason he can find so much time over us other drivers, even after I spent an hour trying to find time yesterday on the FGT time trial, I can see a low 1:10 is now possible for me so it's highly possible that a 1:09.3 can be achieved with an optimized setup and a perfect or near perfect lap. 👍

 

[Darkcraft]

I think we can be pretty sure that ImmortalPilot isn't cheating. He is a very fast driver and the amount of time he spends practicing in the formula cars on GT it's not surprising that he can go so fast.

This, practice makes perfect.
I've spent countless of hours on the Nurb when my final results in the C7 TT were disappointing and now laptimes I thought I could never achieve come without too much of a hassle. Same with the Deep Forest raceway reverse with the Corvette a couple of months back.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

We need to see things objectively without looking at the past, for me, I can only be sure until I can see a video from tuning screen to entering the track and lap time being posted.

Last few days, someone says 1:09.3/4 would be the limit, what if the person that you always believed to be legit posted 1:09.2xxx ? Shall we call it a fluke then ? I wouldn't based it on just one person lap time as a benchmark, considering that the nature of cheating is very hard to pick apart.

 

[nowayback]

IP is the problem? Or all the others who dont have a history of doing so well ? Talk about cheating in general, ...maybe there should just be a cheating thread.

This is a TT, where some come to learn setups and such .(guilty also of discussing cheating here)

 

[Saidur_Ali]

We need to see things objectively without looking at the past, for me, I can only be sure until I can see a video from tuning screen to entering the track and lap time being posted.

Last few days, someone says 1:09.3/4 would be the limit, what if the person that you always believed to be legit posted 1:09.2xxx ? Shall we call it a fluke then ? I wouldn't based it on just one person lap time as a benchmark, considering that the nature of cheating is very hard to pick apart.

It has been looked at objectively by some members on here and speeds carried into corners, straightline speed and sectors all seem doable regarding IMMORTALPILOT. It has been pointed out that other speeds carried are like impossible with stock car by people who are also doing TT with legitimate setup.

One thing that I find hard with these cars is the back-torque limiter. Makes it hard to be consistent especially on this kind of track without practice. Setup can make quite a difference and driver also. If someone is using a lot more downforce than possible then it will be a lot easier to go faster as you have to lift off less which means less chance of back-torque limiter affecting lap.

When you see drivers like IMMORTALPILOT and eclipsi_RC getting beaten by so many tenths with people with no track record on being that much faster and lap looking like car is not even being pushed to the limit, you know there is cheating going on. Also looking at laps, I don't think either of them as a driver can improve to take corners that much faster. Day and night difference.