Time Trial Discussion

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zjn
I did a 30mins session yesterday. I was able to break the 1:30 wall but none of the sectors of this lap is my best.
I'm basically closing the gap between the ideal and the best, but I'm not lowering the ideal.

I have to take a closer look at my lap but I don't see a specific spot/turn/sector where I'm particullary bad, I'm just averagely bad.
I need to get better apex, and give more convinced inputs after the apex. Very often I seem indecisive or too wait-and-see.

Maybe the turn after the corkscrew is were I'm temptative the most.

Under these assumptions I don't see myself able to compete for the gold

Here is my lap, I'm glade if you would like to take a look and give some advice

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Turn 1. Try to stay tighter. Maybe brake little bit sooner and you can get close to the first and second ”sausage”.
Other than that, your driving line seems ok.
If you are usin my gearbox. Looks like it, see my replay and try to use same gears. Even if it seems slower first.
From the replay, you lose time driving too low gear.
 
half_sourly
There is a johnny 99 (so a space between johnny and 99). Is that you?
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That's me, 'johnny 99' (with the space).

I saw your reply to 'tmtk' about saving TT results after it ends - When, where and how long are the full results available for downloading? Or is it more time intensive than simply saving the whole field's results with just one click?

Thanks again for the interesting look at the stats and the time you've put into it!
 
jet1060
That's me, 'johnny 99' (with the space).

I saw your reply to 'tmtk' about saving TT results after it ends - When, where and how long are the full results available for downloading? Or is it more time intensive than simply saving the whole field's results with just one click?

Thanks again for the interesting look at the stats and the time you've put into it!
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I've updated the table on page 170 with your details.

Re results:
When and how long - as soon as it opens every second Thursday at 7am UK time. Then it provides live updates through the event. Once the event closes, the results stay on the site, although I notice some drop off the bottom of the page.

Where - On this page. Latest event here.

It is more time intensive that saving with one click. There are quicker methods if you know how to code or are willing to pay for premium scraping, but for me it is scraping 200 pages at a time - the limit of the free software I use. It downloads to Excel and then I work on it there.
 
Dan_Tes
The great thing about this lap is that it’s clear when you can make time, a bit smoother with throttle inputs on exit (the sdi diff is absolutely vicious!) and a good entrance/exit into both the corkscrew and the final turn and you’re well in to the 1:27s!!

Interesting session for me, nothing really seemed to click and I’m suffering a bit with brake balance at +2 but a slightly messy lap yielded an incredible new PB…! Done with CS Strong just to see if it would help me get the power down earlier. 1:27:434 and within the magical (for me) 1 second off the WR!! Eeeeeeep! I think there was room for improvement here for sure too, I’m almost certain I ended up on the sand at one point!! Let’s go!!! 😎View attachment 1241869
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Ohboy, that's just sick Dan!, that's top of the shelf!, congrats!
haulling with the big boys now, don't forget us mortals, and were you came from :lol: :lol: :lol:

Freaking jaloeouse here :D
 
W1gglyStyl3
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Round 2 - 1:27.879
Not every day I manage a visit to the top 100.
This time I went for the NA engine, with gearing and setup based on the tune @sdi_03 shared yesterday.
Only did some smaller changes to the suspension. But had to go very different on the lsd settings to get the handling to feel a bit more predictable.
(No assists except ABS default)
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Managed a 1:27.399 @W1gglyStyl3's setup ^
 
sdi_03
Turn 1. Try to stay tighter. Maybe brake little bit sooner and you can get close to the first and second ”sausage”.
Other than that, your driving line seems ok.
If you are usin my gearbox. Looks like it, see my replay and try to use same gears. Even if it seems slower first.
From the replay, you lose time driving too low gear.
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Thanks!!!

I'm using @W1gglyStyl3 , which comes somehow from yours, if I'm not mistaken.

I recognize my behave looking at your words.
1) downshift too much because I don't feel the engine responsive otherwise
2) be extracautious reopening because the engine is too responsive otherwise
I need to force myself into it, thanks again
 
So i dropped back about 1500 places after my top 1000 time a few days ago.
Loaded up fellow Canuck Turismo-Lester's ghost,1:27.9xx and yeehaa,top 600 and i still feel like there's more to gain,i'm terrible at the last few corners but for now ,quite happy!
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zjn
I did a 30mins session yesterday. I was able to break the 1:30 wall but none of the sectors of this lap is my best.
I'm basically closing the gap between the ideal and the best, but I'm not lowering the ideal.

I have to take a closer look at my lap but I don't see a specific spot/turn/sector where I'm particullary bad, I'm just averagely bad.
I need to get better apex, and give more convinced inputs after the apex. Very often I seem indecisive or too wait-and-see.

Maybe the turn after the corkscrew is were I'm temptative the most.

Under these assumptions I don't see myself able to compete for the gold

Here is my lap, I'm glade if you would like to take a look and give some advice

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Doesn't look like a bad lap to me, yes you can hit the apex's a little bit more and you definitely looked like you lost a lot of time going into the Corkscrew (you are right to be tentative!). Do you always use chase cam to race? I use bumper cam for most cars except the ultra fast cars where I use bonnet cam. I just feel I get a better idea of what the car is doing underneath me. Bonnet cam is useful at very high speeds and gives a slightly better view of upcoming corners sometimes.

I'm not entirely sure what engine tune/gearbox you've got now but it looks similar to what I use; I would personally try using a higher gear in a lot of corners. It allows you to get on the power earlier and this car has a lot of torque and seems to run out of 'puff' near the limiter, so you generally want to shift before then. In your view I generally shift after the 'recommended-gear' red box and the end of the rev counter 'bar'. Places where I think you will gain time are up the hill from T6 towards T7 and T8 (Corkscrew) if you shift up into 6th here you will take more speed up the hill and your braking point will work better for the Corkscrew. Exit the corkscrew in 4th will help with traction too, I would also use 5th out of T10 down towards the final corner. Your line through the final corner was pretty good but shifting to 3rd gear before accelerating out down the pit straight will give you more traction and more acceleration. I think just doing those couple of things even if you don't hit those apexes (it's probably not losing you a lot of time unless you go wide on exit, but most of the time you aren't) could gain you another second.

Good luck!
 
Dan_Tes
Doesn't look like a bad lap to me, yes you can hit the apex's a little bit more and you definitely looked like you lost a lot of time going into the Corkscrew (you are right to be tentative!). Do you always use chase cam to race? I use bumper cam for most cars except the ultra fast cars where I use bonnet cam. I just feel I get a better idea of what the car is doing underneath me. Bonnet cam is useful at very high speeds and gives a slightly better view of upcoming corners sometimes.

I'm not entirely sure what engine tune/gearbox you've got now but it looks similar to what I use; I would personally try using a higher gear in a lot of corners. It allows you to get on the power earlier and this car has a lot of torque and seems to run out of 'puff' near the limiter, so you generally want to shift before then. In your view I generally shift after the 'recommended-gear' red box and the end of the rev counter 'bar'. Places where I think you will gain time are up the hill from T6 towards T7 and T8 (Corkscrew) if you shift up into 6th here you will take more speed up the hill and your braking point will work better for the Corkscrew. Exit the corkscrew in 4th will help with traction too, I would also use 5th out of T10 down towards the final corner. Your line through the final corner was pretty good but shifting to 3rd gear before accelerating out down the pit straight will give you more traction and more acceleration. I think just doing those couple of things even if you don't hit those apexes (it's probably not losing you a lot of time unless you go wide on exit, but most of the time you aren't) could gain you another second.

Good luck!
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Many thanks for your reply.
After I adjusted the gear ratio I think we are going with the same setup.
I run from the cockpit, but i've shown the lap from chase because I think it gives more info for evaluation.

Next session I will apply your comments, if I shave 1sec I'll send over a beer to you
 
half_sourly
Here are the mid-TT stats for TT20. It remains the 4th most difficult to date for gold and silver, second for bronze and third for getting no reward.

That makes the stats about readers of the forum more interesting. The idea was to check that if for this TT, where tuning is allowed, readers of this forum performed better than they usually do, when compared to the pack. A reason would be the access to specific tuning advice and general conversation about tuning. Maybe also motivation to outperform peers. The outcome is a resounding 'Yes' - see the table - for the final two columns I compared the current percentile and position to the average percentile and position in the previous 19 TTs, less the worst one. This is not exactly scientific; just a bit of fun, but it is interesting that almost everyone is doing better on this, the 3rd or 4th most difficult TT to date, than they do on average. Right, back to the day job; this took way longer than I hoped it would.

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Thank you for taking the time :)
Really interesting to see the stats.

Still hoping to better my lap in the current TT. Improved a bit yesterday after adjusting suspension and gearing, dropping 2 tenths off my PB, but still not enough for gold. A bit more practice and getting in a clean lap should get me into the 28s, though.
 
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zjn
I did a 30mins session yesterday. I was able to break the 1:30 wall but none of the sectors of this lap is my best.
I'm basically closing the gap between the ideal and the best, but I'm not lowering the ideal.

I have to take a closer look at my lap but I don't see a specific spot/turn/sector where I'm particullary bad, I'm just averagely bad.
I need to get better apex, and give more convinced inputs after the apex. Very often I seem indecisive or too wait-and-see.

Maybe the turn after the corkscrew is were I'm temptative the most.

Under these assumptions I don't see myself able to compete for the gold

Here is my lap, I'm glade if you would like to take a look and give some advice

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I watched your lap and I’ll give my view per corner but generally it was a smooth lap so it’s just about finding those small improvements which add up:
Turn 1: Generally quite well - reckon perhaps you could have accelerated out slightly earlier.
Turn 2: Generally quite well - just caught the sausage kerb slightly which can unbalance the exit a bit.
Turn 3: Just needed to turn slightly earlier (not much earlier) to make the corner attack a bit smoother.
Turn 4: Generally quite well - just needed to be a bit tighter to the apex to gain a bit more exit speed.
Turn 5: Generally quite well - maybe slightly less brake or use gear 4 for a bit more rotation.
Turn 6: I think the Corkscrew is where a sizeable time can be gained - brake point was correct but after there was a slight delay where you could have almost cut the corner a bit (I found doing that but within the kerb saved a bit of time). You almost want to attack the Corkscrew rather than almost coast through it.
Turn 7: Generally quite well - just needed to be a bit tighter to the apex.
Turn 8: Generally quite well - again just needed to be a bit tighter to the apex.
Turn 9: Brake point was correct (although I would avoid trying to have 2 wheels on the gravel/sand) but like the Corkscrew, perhaps a little more attack/slightly earlier acceleration to reduce the coasting.

Generally a smooth lap although I find to gain time, some corners especially you have to attack right at it rather than coast and while the car is tail happy, sometimes slightly earlier throttle or changes to throttle control here and there can gain more time - again this was something I noticed.

Obviously the 9 points are my opinion based on watching your lap and I know full well others will have a different and better explanation but keep plugging at it - it took me a while to get it but eventually one lap becomes the right one.
 
Here we go again.
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Just too close for comfort.
I know it won't hold.

Sporting @sdi_03 tune which is clearly faster, but very unstable with my directional buttons steering.
I brake, I turn in and I'm fighting not too slide. Smoother steering would gain so much time, but well...

I can go well at turns 1, 2, 3, 4, but the turn 5 before the uphill section is suddenly my weak point. Corkscrew is so-so, but two turns after it I'm fighting for traction.

This will take so much work still and I expected to do better from the get go.
 
This is sort of related to the time trail in that I am creating a video to compare my current best TT time against that of a replay of @Mistah_MCA. I plan to use the video to compare my driving performance against Mistah's to see where I lost time and if my braking and gear change points are off as I'm still some 2 seconds or so behind. Anyway I had a bit of a revelation and if this is commonly known, forgive me, but when driving in bumper view I have always wondered where the front of the car is. Well on my replay comparison I was identical in speed and gear change to Mistah until I clipped the wall and instantly lost 5mph (the frame before this one was identical to Mistah at 120mph).

However, this made me realize where the front of the car is so I drew it out.

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So it appears that the dials represent the front and then some to the side and our view is more along the lines of looking though the hood/bonnet of the car rather that truly an bumper view. Anyway, not exactly related to the Time Trail but I though this might be interesting to some..
 
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alarmclock AGAIN at 05:45 AM, i wanted to SDI & W1ggle before work.

eventually i got the kind of the feeling for this setup on pad, but i'm just not consistent yet with this, i spended 210 km this morning restarting en cursing, did run a few 28.3 / 28.4 and 28.5...., so i'm close again to my .274
Ther was one lap were i COMPLETELY stuffed up the corck, and still managed 28.4, that was IT, 100% 27'.......
but that was 1 lap in 2 hours of trying lol
but after 200km the focus was kind of gone and had to prepare for work.

I'm not giving up just yet :lol:
 
TheNormsk
This is sort of related to the time trail in that I am creating a video to compare my current best TT time against that of a replay of @Mistah_MCA. I plan to use the video to compare my driving performance against Mistah's to see where I lost time and if my braking and gear change points are off as I'm still some 2 seconds or so behind. Anyway I had a bit of a revelation and if this is commonly known, forgive me, but when driving in bumper view I have always wondered where the front of the car is. Well on my replay comparison I was identical in speed and gear change to Mistah until I clipped the wall and instantly lost 5mph (the frame before this one was identical to Mistah at 120mph).

However, this made me realize where the front of the car is so I drew it out.

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So it appears that the dials represent the front and then some to the side and our view is more along the lines of looking though the hood/bonnet of the car rather that truly an bumper view. Anyway, not exactly related to the Time Trail but I though this might be interesting to some..
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Wow, good graphical detail by PD, and good catch from yours, I'm wondering if PS4 does the same visual effect.
I guess that the border if correct at first approssimation, going to a secondl level it is slighly different depending on the shape of the car
 
GTP_reddevil
I watched your lap and I’ll give my view per corner but generally it was a smooth lap so it’s just about finding those small improvements which add up:
Turn 1: Generally quite well - reckon perhaps you could have accelerated out slightly earlier.
Turn 2: Generally quite well - just caught the sausage kerb slightly which can unbalance the exit a bit.
Turn 3: Just needed to turn slightly earlier (not much earlier) to make the corner attack a bit smoother.
Turn 4: Generally quite well - just needed to be a bit tighter to the apex to gain a bit more exit speed.
Turn 5: Generally quite well - maybe slightly less brake or use gear 4 for a bit more rotation.
Turn 6: I think the Corkscrew is where a sizeable time can be gained - brake point was correct but after there was a slight delay where you could have almost cut the corner a bit (I found doing that but within the kerb saved a bit of time). You almost want to attack the Corkscrew rather than almost coast through it.
Turn 7: Generally quite well - just needed to be a bit tighter to the apex.
Turn 8: Generally quite well - again just needed to be a bit tighter to the apex.
Turn 9: Brake point was correct (although I would avoid trying to have 2 wheels on the gravel/sand) but like the Corkscrew, perhaps a little more attack/slightly earlier acceleration to reduce the coasting.

Generally a smooth lap although I find to gain time, some corners especially you have to attack right at it rather than coast and while the car is tail happy, sometimes slightly earlier throttle or changes to throttle control here and there can gain more time - again this was something I noticed.

Obviously the 9 points are my opinion based on watching your lap and I know full well others will have a different and better explanation but keep plugging at it - it took me a while to get it but eventually one lap becomes the right one.
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Thanks for your replay
I still have to improve a lot about where I want the tyres to be vs where I actually put them and as you noted this is impacting more o less each and every turn
Corkscrew stay aside... I suffer a lot the fact that I don't have clear view and that markers I would like to hit appears all of a sudden, instead of identifying them from far away. In some other comments I had the advice to use higher gears, this will maybe help also to attack it, as you are saying, since I should be less worried about spinning the car.

Hopefully this evening I will go for another ride putting more attention to what you are advising
 

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