Time Trial Discussion

[Lomic]

Here you go.

I tried this tune, as the gears settings looked alien to me. But there are a lot of engine parts and preparation I don't have (like polished conducts) and I don't want to buy another Mustang to dedicate to this tune. As I was not sure how this could affect the other tunes I use, I did not installed those modifications.

Did not succeed to replicate the gears settings exactly, and had to set power restrictor a bit higher to reach the limit.

As soon as the car goes into 4th gear, it is too low in RPM to accelerate so a bit of time loss here and there and not conclusive lap times.

Should I install all modifications to enable the full potential of this tune, without it compromising the tunes I use that don't require those modifications ? When it is a supercharger, it is easy to switch from none to low or high, but you can't reverse modifications on the motor.

Had a go with @Mistah_MCA's tune that I was using some time ago, and with TCS 1 it is a bit sketchy to me now, did not manage to do "good" laps (for my standards).

Came back to @sdi_03's tune plus @appu's gears settings and my times were closer to what I am used too now. Good handling of the car, just need to string all corners correctly to improve greatly my best time. Maybe not up to gold but a good bit still.

 

[zjn]

I tried this tune, as the gears settings looked alien to me. But there are a lot of engine parts and preparation I don't have (like polished conducts) and I don't want to buy another Mustang to dedicate to this tune. As I was not sure how this could affect the other tunes I use, I did not installed those modifications.

The most of the tuning parts you can add/remove within the same car but in different setups.

Exceptions are:
widebody, front and rear aero
weight decrease, rigidity and all the orher stuff in see in the very right side of the tuning page

These exceptions, once installed, are there for the car, not matter the specific setup, and cannot be undone

 

[zjn]

Ok, it's not the same gear ratio. What did I configure? I'm not even able to copy!

I’ll put my settings up when I get home!!

I was missing the "Final" parameter. This is why I was using very different gear then you

By the way, what does exactly this parameter do? It seems to shift left or right , in the strictly mathematical or vector sense of the word, the gear ration set for the different gears

 

[half_sourly]

You can use my stats if you'd like.
GT7 name: johnny99 And I'm content, for now, at 1:28.666.
BTW, I'm fairly new to this forum. I see how to find the number of entrants from an earlier posting but how can you search for your own or another's stats (final time and standing) for each TT?
Thanks for you're analytics.

There is a johnny 99 (so a space between johnny and 99). Is that you?

 

[half_sourly]

Should I install all modifications to enable the full potential of this tune

I would recommend going to sdi's, Exosum's, or W1ggly's tune; they both set very good times early on with their tunes, so those are probably more reliable. And I think it is worth, if you really want to chase your best time, spending the money on another car and parts.

 

[Lomic]

The most of the tuning parts you can add/remove within the same car but in different setups.

I was speaking about "Engine balance tuning", "Polish ports", "High lift Camshaft", that are modifications to the motor which I think cannot be cancelled.

I would recommend going to sdi's, Exosum's, or W1ggly's tune; they both set very good times early on with their tunes, so those are probably more reliable. And I think it is worth, if you really want to chase your best time, spending the money on another car and parts.

I am already using @sdi_03's tune, but I was curious to try yours with max speed ste to 800 and that strange gears setting.

 

[Vule]

I am already using @sdi_03's tune, but I was curious to try yours with max speed ste to 800 and that strange gears setting.

I tried it last night but I just can't get my head around using only 3 gears, it feels strange I can see that it would benefit someone using a controller so they don't need to shift a million times, but for wheel users, 6 short gears I think is a better option

 

[Soccmals]

@half_sourly
Feel free to add me.
Soccmals

 

[Gomario JSP]

I did set my alarm trying to get a feeling for the new tunes, but i don't know what is happening, i just can't seem to even get close to my old lap, the harder i try the more i fail, it's almost embarrassing....
I want to get into the 27 so bad, but the feeling is kind of gone, i spend a hour on new tunes trying to get the feeling of them.
but messed up each lap, then went back to my old tune wich i set my PB with, and even that didn't work....,
I need to change something, but i don't know what?..... ( besides upgrade to a wheel )

When i look at my PB lap, i see SOmany errors, if i nailed the corckscrew ( wich I totally messed up ) i would have been there i guess.... but i can't seem to replicate my own lap....

Still my lap 1:28.274 was place 555 this morning, by all mena not a bad lap, but "it's just not good enough"

I hope there will be a nex video with a better lap, but for now, this is the one on the board

 

[TUSMBOX]

front and rear aero
weight decrease, rigidity and all the orher stuff in see in the very right side of the tuning page

These exceptions, once installed, are there for the car, not matter the specific setup, and cannot be undone

Front and rear aero can be removed by going to GT auto and removing the aero parts. Weight reductions and rigidity increases can be undone with a new body in the tuning shop.

I was speaking about "Engine balance tuning", "Polish ports", "High lift Camshaft", that are modifications to the motor which I think cannot be cancelled.

These can be removed with the new engine option in rhe tuning shop.

 

[RacinLei]

That Horse needs a bit to get tamed.
Mid maybe low 27 in it.
Only ABS…

 

[half_sourly]

Here are the mid-TT stats for TT20. It remains the 4th most difficult to date for gold and silver, second for bronze and third for getting no reward.

That makes the stats about readers of the forum more interesting. The idea was to check that if for this TT, where tuning is allowed, readers of this forum performed better than they usually do, when compared to the pack. A reason would be the access to specific tuning advice and general conversation about tuning. Maybe also motivation to outperform peers. The outcome is a resounding 'Yes' - see the table - for the final two columns I compared the current percentile and position to the average percentile and position in the previous 19 TTs, less the worst one. This is not exactly scientific; just a bit of fun, but it is interesting that almost everyone is doing better on this, the 3rd or 4th most difficult TT to date, than they do on average. Right, back to the day job; this took way longer than I hoped it would.

 

[Talon16]

Here are the mid-TT stats for TT20. It remains the 4th most difficult to date for gold and silver, second for bronze and third for getting no reward.

That makes the stats about readers of the forum more interesting. The idea was to check that if for this TT, where tuning is allowed, readers of this forum performed better than they usually do, when compared to the pack. A reason would be the access to specific tuning advice and general conversation about tuning. Maybe also motivation to outperform peers. The outcome is a resounding 'Yes' - see the table - for the final two columns I compared the current percentile and position to the average percentile and position in the previous 19 TTs, less the worst one. This is not exactly scientific; just a bit of fun, but it is interesting that almost everyone is doing better on this, the 3rd or 4th most difficult TT to date, than they do on average. Right, back to the day job; this took way longer than I hoped it would.

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As a fellow Excel dork, this is good stuff man!

 

[sdi_03]

I did set my alarm trying to get a feeling for the new tunes, but i don't know what is happening, i just can't seem to even get close to my old lap, the harder i try the more i fail, it's almost embarrassing....
I want to get into the 27 so bad, but the feeling is kind of gone, i spend a hour on new tunes trying to get the feeling of them.
but messed up each lap, then went back to my old tune wich i set my PB with, and even that didn't work....,
I need to change something, but i don't know what?..... ( besides upgrade to a wheel )

When i look at my PB lap, i see SOmany errors, if i nailed the corckscrew ( wich I totally messed up ) i would have been there i guess.... but i can't seem to replicate my own lap....

Still my lap 1:28.274 was place 555 this morning, by all mena not a bad lap, but "it's just not good enough"

I hope there will be a nex video with a better lap, but for now, this is the one on the board

Nice lap! You didnt ask for tips, but Ill give some anyway

You are going on to throttle little bit too soon, this causes you to make small lifts to stay on the track. These lifts cost a lot of time.
Try to go on the throttle little bit later, so no lifting needed.

You can cut the first turn in cork screw a lot more, this will "straighten" it and you can keep more speed.

Last turn, use more track and later apex. Keep on the right and turn in just before the red turns to gray in the "rumble strip"
I carry 6kph more speed over the finish line, so you can find several tenths just here.

 

[tmtk]

Here are the mid-TT stats for TT20. It remains the 4th most difficult to date for gold and silver, second for bronze and third for getting no reward.

Outstanding job with this datamining, especially for us not skilled enough to do that on our own. Thanks!

I'm still perplexed how to see my past results on the GT page unless I know my exact time and I click through hundreds of pages to get to my (average) 15,091th position...

 

[Dan_Tes]

Here are the mid-TT stats for TT20. It remains the 4th most difficult to date for gold and silver, second for bronze and third for getting no reward.

That makes the stats about readers of the forum more interesting. The idea was to check that if for this TT, where tuning is allowed, readers of this forum performed better than they usually do, when compared to the pack. A reason would be the access to specific tuning advice and general conversation about tuning. Maybe also motivation to outperform peers. The outcome is a resounding 'Yes' - see the table - for the final two columns I compared the current percentile and position to the average percentile and position in the previous 19 TTs, less the worst one. This is not exactly scientific; just a bit of fun, but it is interesting that almost everyone is doing better on this, the 3rd or 4th most difficult TT to date, than they do on average. Right, back to the day job; this took way longer than I hoped it would.

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Wow, that is so cool! Thanks for doing this @half_sourly, it really gives us a unique perspective on how we are relative to others. I'm still absolutely shocked that I managed to finish 115th in one of the TT's... I am going to say all the difference between that finishing position and my average is the help and tips I get from people on this forum

 

[half_sourly]

Outstanding job with this datamining, especially for us not skilled enough to do that on our own. Thanks!

I'm still perplexed how to see my past results on the GT page unless I know my exact time and I click through hundreds of pages to get to my (average) 15,091th position...

Unless you save it as you go after each TT, there is no easy way. If you want I can share your results here for all TTs to date.

 

[2Quickrides]

Unless you save it as you go after each TT, there is no easy way. If you want I can share your results here for all TTs to date.

I'd be interested in a copy of the raw data if you'd share it?

Maybe also motivation to outperform peers.

Before jumping into this thread in early March, this was mine. I had planned on doing just enough for Gold most times, but I work with a friend on my list and he made it a competition. Haha

 

[Gomario JSP]

Nice lap! You didnt ask for tips, but Ill give some anyway

You are going on to throttle little bit too soon, this causes you to make small lifts to stay on the track. These lifts cost a lot of time.
Try to go on the throttle little bit later, so no lifting needed.

You can cut the first turn in cork screw a lot more, this will "straighten" it and you can keep more speed.

Last turn, use more track and later apex. Keep on the right and turn in just before the red turns to gray in the "rumble strip"
I carry 6kph more speed over the finish line, so you can find several tenths just here.

Haha, tips are ALWAYS welcome, the "need to lift to stay on track" is indeed a big flaw, and i struggle alot with it, i'll try to get on the throttle a little later, you noticed it well

Ill give it a go AGAIN

Thanks for the advice, i realy appriciate this kind of things!, and good advice from aliens is always welcome

 

[half_sourly]

I'd be interested in a copy of the raw data if you'd share it?

Do you mean just your own? I can put it here or send in private message.

 

[2Quickrides]

Do you mean just your own? I can put it here or send in private message.

Was only looking for my own, but I can save you some work and just pull it from the total raw data myself. Can PM the sheet if you don't mind

 

[bianconiglio]

Been stuck at low 29 for quite a bit, 1:29.033, .028, .022, .020, .010...
But in every lap had lost something here and there.

Then all of a sudden 1:28.473, quite satisfied

 

[Lomic]

These can be removed with the new engine option in rhe tuning shop.

I won't change the motor just to test a tune.

Had another go while the quiche was cooking in the oven. 10 laps with @sdi_03's tune with @appu's gears. I find this tune really balanced for my skills and it is the one with which I set my fastest laps and moreover, am the more consistent.

Except for one small bottle, I've made only 1:30s and 1:31s lap times, so good consistency and relatively low lap times (for me).

Shaved again some 100th to my record. Still able to gain 1s at the beginning of the lap to lose it after, or to lose 1s and regaining it later. I'd be in the 1:28s if I was able to add my gains instead of nullifying them.

 

[Barareklam]

Asking for Feedback from really fast people ( especially those with 1:27:* and under) if you want to comment my 1:28:1 😊

 

[Vule]

Well, you're almost there

Looking at the lap, it's good, you lost a tenth probably with the oversteer in turn 3 and you can surely cut the corkscrew more and gain another tenth there, and you are in 27s.

 

[half_sourly]

Asking for Feedback from really fast people ( especially those with 1:27:* and under) if you want to comment my 1:28:1 😊

Excellent lap. Maybe brake slightly earlier in some corners eg. 1; slightly smoother onto the loud pedal out of some corners eg. left up the hill and last corner.

 

[Dan_Tes]

I did set my alarm trying to get a feeling for the new tunes, but i don't know what is happening, i just can't seem to even get close to my old lap, the harder i try the more i fail, it's almost embarrassing....
I want to get into the 27 so bad, but the feeling is kind of gone, i spend a hour on new tunes trying to get the feeling of them.
but messed up each lap, then went back to my old tune wich i set my PB with, and even that didn't work....,
I need to change something, but i don't know what?..... ( besides upgrade to a wheel )

When i look at my PB lap, i see SOmany errors, if i nailed the corckscrew ( wich I totally messed up ) i would have been there i guess.... but i can't seem to replicate my own lap....

Still my lap 1:28.274 was place 555 this morning, by all mena not a bad lap, but "it's just not good enough"

I hope there will be a nex video with a better lap, but for now, this is the one on the board

The great thing about this lap is that it’s clear when you can make time, a bit smoother with throttle inputs on exit (the sdi diff is absolutely vicious!) and a good entrance/exit into both the corkscrew and the final turn and you’re well in to the 1:27s!!

Interesting session for me, nothing really seemed to click and I’m suffering a bit with brake balance at +2 but a slightly messy lap yielded an incredible new PB…! Done with CS Strong just to see if it would help me get the power down earlier. 1:27:434 and within the magical (for me) 1 second off the WR!! Eeeeeeep! I think there was room for improvement here for sure too, I’m almost certain I ended up on the sand at one point!! Let’s go!!! 😎

 

[Lomic]

The world Top100 seems to be in this thread 🙂💪

 

[TumeK5]

The world Top100 seems to be in this thread 🙂💪

Not even close.

 

[zjn]

I did a 30mins session yesterday. I was able to break the 1:30 wall but none of the sectors of this lap is my best.
I'm basically closing the gap between the ideal and the best, but I'm not lowering the ideal.

I have to take a closer look at my lap but I don't see a specific spot/turn/sector where I'm particullary bad, I'm just averagely bad.
I need to get better apex, and give more convinced inputs after the apex. Very often I seem indecisive or too wait-and-see.

Maybe the turn after the corkscrew is were I'm temptative the most.

Under these assumptions I don't see myself able to compete for the gold

Here is my lap, I'm glade if you would like to take a look and give some advice