Time Trial Discussion

[Ramalhinho91]

Great lap!! One thing, do you have tyre noises turned all the way down or did you just keep it unbelievably clean all the way round!? I have tyre noises set to maximum because I find it difficult to notice when the rear end breaks away (it doesn't help, I still have no idea ).

Thank you Dan! 😁 Yeah I tried to keep it as much clean as possible for sure! But yes I have tyre noises turned all the way down. I’ve always found tyre noises a little bit unrealistic on Gran Turismo and thank god they heard us this time. With tyre noises at the minimum level you can still hear them squeaking but not with that exaggerated tone and volume 😬

 

[zjn]

Very smart livery amigo! I think a decent paint job is worth half a second a lap so you’re going to be rocketing up the friends leadership board very soon 🚀

😂😂😂 it’s like the Dan Van challenge all over again! Hopefully you have time today to get stuck into the 1:38.xxx’s. Do you find ways of recommending Netflix rabbit holes to the wife to manufacturer extra PlayStation time? That’s what I’d be doing, some Inception **** maybe 😈

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 still fast on your potato setup! I think you’re the sort of guy who would take a 90s Renault Twingo on the ‘ring and bully Porsche 911 GT3 RS’s 😅. You didn’t need to shift to 5th just before the finish line, that probably cost you 0.1s. I notice also you stay to the right down the back straight? I think if you take a line from the exit kerb of the CORV’s to the left of the track where it slightly jinks left and then aim for the right hand kerb of the entry to the hairpin, you will save some time too!

DANS THOUGHT OF THE DAY: There’s a lot of talk of the double shift and how annoying it is; I think the key to this one is that gearshifts are slow so just minimise them as much as possible for a fast lap. In fact there are two pivotal things, avoiding shifting regularly and getting on the power early for the long straights.

If you watch the WR Replay as it stands (M. Buhdeima, 1:37.831), he spends a lot of time in 4th gear only using lower gears for rotation/out of slow corners. He’s on the power in 4th just after the first •raised vibrator• in the chicane which makes him loads of time down the back straight. Same with the quad apex, in 4th and early on the power after the second apex. There are actually two shifts where he loses a bit of time, going into 3rd then 4th after the hairpin which can be worth up to 0.1s (rather than double shifting from 2nd to 4th) and going into 5th before the finish line (instead of staying in 4th). So even the world record time was done without necessarily shifting in the right place/double shifting.

What is my rambling point? Don’t fret too much about the double shift, it saves a tiny bit of time but won’t necessarily punish you. I stay in 4th down the pit straight to the finish line when I think it’s a good lap/on for a record time. Down the long back straight I try and double shift from 4th to 6th, if I accidentally shift into 5th instead I stay in 5th; same after the quad apex, try and double shift from 4th to 6th but if I end up in 5th I stay in 5th to the braking point for the final double left hander. (EDIT: I don't my left from my right)

Not sure if any of that rambling was useful but yeah there’s easy time to be made on this track without working too hard!

I kind of agree with you on all your comments, particularly when you argument about double shift vs using fifth.
Also minimizing the shifts make sense, but what gears uses the WR holder only applies probably to gold people. Silver or lower will not be able to have speed enough to keep the car vital in 4th. However I'll give it a try between the sausages. That piece of track is probably worth losing acceleration and gain stability.


Question: does restarting a lap mean being on cold tires? I read somewhere that it does, but I'm not 100% sure

 

[half_sourly]

Question: does restarting a lap mean being on cold tires? I read somewhere that it does, but I'm not 100% sure

I don't know but if it does it has zero noticeable effect. You can see here that I did a 1:38.66 from a 'cold' start.

 

[Ramalhinho91]

Question: does restarting a lap mean being on cold tires? I read somewhere that it does, but I'm not 100% sure

I think it doesn’t. At least not in this kind of Online Time Trials where the conditions are always ”perfect”.

 

[Dolph Drago]

After today's session, guess who I'm tied with? Yep, @Gomario JSP again! I did NOT have a good first sector on this lap, losing 3 tenths to my best sector 1. My optimal lap was a 1:39.1xx. I meant to save the replay but completely forgot.

As far as shifting, coming to the line I go from 3rd to 5th to start the lap. Drop down to 3rd for the chicane sequence. Double shift from 3rd to 5th on the back straight. Plop it into 1st to rotate for the hairpin and immediately bump it up to 2nd exiting. Double shift to 4th, where I stay until I exit the multi-turn right, then go up to 5th for the remainder of that straight. Drop to 2nd briefly for the final turns and exit in 3rd. If I'm on a good lap, then I'll go up to 4th and keep it there until the line. If my lap sucks, I'll double shift into 5th again to begin my new lap. I never go up to 6th.

 

[Dan_Tes]

I’m in the 1:38 club! Tried @half_sourly ‘s 3rd to 5th down the back straight technique and it worked a treat, still scruffy overall so can see where time can be made! below 1:28.5 is now the target (besides beating @2Quickrides and @Gomario JSP aaaaand @Dolph Drago 😂😂). Like many other people I didn’t think it was a good lap and yet it was 0.3s quicker than my previous PB

I may upload the lap to YouTube later but it wasn’t a looker!!

EDIT: On the 'tube again.

I kind of agree with you on all your comments, particularly when you argument about double shift vs using fifth.
Also minimizing the shifts make sense, but what gears uses the WR holder only applies probably to gold people. Silver or lower will not be able to have speed enough to keep the car vital in 4th. However I'll give it a try between the sausages. That piece of track is probably worth losing acceleration and gain stability.


Question: does restarting a lap mean being on cold tires? I read somewhere that it does, but I'm not 100% sure

Yeah absolutely sometimes using the same gears as the aliens can do more harm than good.. but 4th is a very good strong gear for a lot of the lap especially the mid section!

 

[Gomario JSP]

After today's session, guess who I'm tied with? Yep, @Gomario JSP again! I did NOT have a good first sector on this lap, losing 3 tenths to my best sector 1. My optimal lap was a 1:39.1xx. I meant to save the replay but completely forgot.
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As far as shifting, coming to the line I go from 3rd to 5th to start the lap. Drop down to 3rd for the chicane sequence. Double shift from 3rd to 5th on the back straight. Plop it into 1st to rotate for the hairpin and immediately bump it up to 2nd exiting. Double shift to 4th, where I stay until I exit the multi-turn right, then go up to 5th for the remainder of that straight. Drop to 2nd briefly for the final turns and exit in 3rd. If I'm on a good lap, then I'll go up to 4th and keep it there until the line. If my lap sucks, I'll double shift into 5th again to begin my new lap. I never go up to 6th.

Again?? 🤣🤣, great time! 🤣 2 times exactly the same time, that's crazy! 🤣

I’m in the 1:28 club! Tried @half_sourly ‘s 3rd to 5th down the back straight technique and it worked a treat, still scruffy overall so can see where time can be made! below 1:28.5 is now the target (besides beating @2Quickrides and @Gomario JSP aaaaand @Dolph Drago 😂😂). Like many other people I didn’t think it was a good lap and yet it was 0.3s quicker than my previous PB

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I may upload the lap to YouTube later but it wasn’t a looker!!


Yeah absolutely sometimes using the same gears as the aliens can do more harm than good.. but 4th is a very good strong gear for a lot of the lap especially the mid section!

There he is, Mr '38!
I'm honored that you like to beat me, but Come on Dan, you would beat me here if I drove the Radical and you drove the Dan Van 🤣, epic time man!, you are haulling with them big boys again!, 🤛
Congrats on the 38, I'm officially very jealous 😁🤣

 

[TheOneDonJuan]

Got the time down to 1:40.2 which should be enough for Gold I think. Now to never drive this combination again 😂

 

[Gomario JSP]

I did spend around 125 km this morning, alarm clock art 6 AM, buckets of coffey and lots of Salami's...
Trying to get @Dolph Drago out of my neck in my leaderboard, he is hunting me with succes........ each time.....

Didn't better my PB but i did gain something, were my PB lap was unexpected timewise/feeling i'm now way more consistent in the 39's, lots of .6xx, .7xx and 8's
I had more completed laps, less restarts, so was kind of happy with that progress, what i changed to be more consistent was lowering the entry-speed of the damn Salami's, my brain was kind of stuck in the movement of giving to much throttle between apex T2 and rotating for Salami 1....
Now i'm most of the time to cautious there, but i'm going well on consistantly, so i'm going to build from here and see if there is any room for improvement, but for right now...., 38's are waaayyy out of my leaque

Not the easiest one for me!

#teamDS4

 

[sdi_03]

Ok. because you guys seem to have too much fun with this sausage fest, I had to go again 😂

1:38.786 I hope that this will let me keep my alien status, if not Im sure that there is few tenths left in me

 

[zaxs]

After I have set 1:42.442 at first day in very first few laps, I couldn't come even near in next days...

Until today morning, when I managed to pull huge cut and my new time is 1:41.852!

I think this should be enough for silver, because hardly that I can get gold in this one.

 

[Crawford1872]

Had my first go between last night and just now. 39.7 atm. May start a petition to rename the dragon trail chicane of death to this one rather than seaside. It's a lap destroyer. Consistently is the biggest challenge for me here. Props to all you in the 38 club 👏

 

[aguia]

Good point! The Ferrari 333 SP might be a good semi-replica, or the BMW V12 LMR...

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I'm sure there was a Porsche around this era that also had a similar setup, but I can't remember what it was......
EDIT: It was the Sunoco-liveried Porsche 917/30 Can Am car I was thinking about. But I don't know how well that will translate onto the Radical. It's radical-ly different.

I saw just 1 design 333SP and I'm also doing one.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Those sausage curbs!!! Must have completed turn 1 at least 20x more than all the other turns. I think I’ve had my car facing every which way and both sides up on sausage #2, including driving about 30m on two wheels at one point. Managed to get down to a 1:39.905 - should be gold hopefully, as I’m done playing sausage chicken . Good luck to those with more skill and patience than me!

 

[Boxster]

I am tempted to make silly jokes about men being obsessed by sausages 🤣

 

[kowalski__1]

Well,i improved slightly to 1:40.515....a .250 cushion for gold,hopefully it holds because this TT is no fun at all.
I have 0.0 interest in doing this one any more,

 

[TumeK5]

Just did my first laps today, I can now see what people meant by the sausage...1 cm too early or late and you're screwed.

Anywho, ran only enough km's to get the Daily ticket, comfortable gold at 1:40.1, and even more gold as I opened the ticket

 

[Dan_Tes]

Just checking in today to say I did maybe 45 minutes today and didn’t complete a single clean lap.

RIP anyone in the same boat.

This one is really busting my balls

 

[Cabelmania]

After half an hour I managed to get 1:40:268, I think I'm good for the moment (getting the curbs right was really difficult, of course )

 

[2Quickrides]

Just checking in today to say I did maybe 45 minutes today and didn’t complete a single clean lap.

RIP anyone in the same boat.

This one is really busting my balls

I did 20 laps last night. Optimal 1:38.915, but no improvement in PB. Losing time in the switchback in sector 2 consistently, everywhere else randomly. Lol

 

[Gomario JSP]

I am tempted to make silly jokes about men being obsessed by

Just checking in today to say I did maybe 45 minutes today and didn’t complete a single clean lap.

RIP anyone in the same boat.

This one is really busting my balls

Yeah, it's hard, think about us mortels, we do this every day hours of salami flying without succes 🤣🤣........alien.....

Naah seriously it's a difficult one for me too!

 

[Dolph Drago]

I don't know how my lap was this fast, because it had no business being so. The only turns I got right were the first part of the chicane, the hairpin and the final 90's. The rest of the lap was a hot mess. I completely missed the apex in turn 1 AND had to lift slightly coming off the turn. I got loosey goosey on the second sausage which certainly lost me some time on the straight. I cut in way too much in turn 8, which caused me to do the same and botch turn 9. And the multi-apex was a mess because I was impatient with the throttle. Each jab I took at the gas caused me to push further and further out. I nailed that particular set of corners every time I WASN'T on a fast lap. Go figure. I should be happy with this lap, but I'm not at all. Oh, and by the way, this was on lap 2 of my session. I never could put together a full lap afterwards that I didn't jack up at least one sector.


At least PD recognized how much time I put in tonight and rewarded me with this.

 

[Gomario JSP]

I don't know how my lap was this fast, because it had no business being so. The only turns I got right were the first part of the chicane, the hairpin and the final 90's. The rest of the lap was a hot mess. I completely missed the apex in turn 1 AND had to lift slightly coming off the turn. I got loosey goosey on the second sausage which certainly lost me some time on the straight. I cut in way too much in turn 8, which caused me to do the same and botch turn 9. And the multi-apex was a mess because I was impatient with the throttle. Each jab I took at the gas caused me to push further and further out. I nailed that particular set of corners every time I WASN'T on a fast lap. Go figure. I should be happy with this lap, but I'm not at all. Oh, and by the way, this was on lap 2 of my session. I never could put together a full lap afterwards that I didn't jack up at least one sector.


At least PD recognized how much time I put in tonight and rewarded me with this.

Holy C*ap Dolph, that's one nice laptime you got there, funny is it huh, your most ugly lap turns out to be the fastest lol.
then you come to think....., that should have been a 38 easly.....( don't go full alien on me Dolph )

I tried for 120km this morning, full frustration, I even drove .439 AGAIN? , but i'm to frustrated to pull a good lap together, then when i finaly had a 29.0 on the first sector, i completely messed up the SupaDupaQuatroformagi .....
So no pressure for you on my side today , don't think we are going to switch positions on the leaderboard again

Nice job!! , now hunt for that 38! and dethrone @Dan_Tes

 

[Lomic]

Did 10 laps this morning... not good, but I need to train more. Not improved my best, still in bronze.

 

[Barareklam]

I would guess if we could somehow pull statistics of penalties and restarts, this one would definitely be in the top

 

[TumeK5]

I would guess if we could somehow pull statistics of penalties and restarts, this one would definitely be in the top

X2019 ranks higher for me. Much higher.

 

[Fezzik]

Did 10 laps this morning... not good, but I need to train more. Not improved my best, still in bronze.

Usually I figure things out myself but for this one I had to resort to downloading a silver ghost. Couldn't work out the proper lines and speeds on my own. About half a second off the target now. Will probably leave it until the weekend now, let the times stabilise so I hopefully don't have to keep chasing.

 

[Lomic]

Usually I figure things out myself but for this one I had to resort to downloading a silver ghost. Couldn't work out the proper lines and speeds on my own.

I should give it a go, although, even if I have not a lot of practice, I know how to take most corners ~efficiently, my main issue is to do as I intend to, and string all the turns correctly, it should put me deep into silver maybe gold.

So as the moment, it is consistency and training that I need most.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Well, I was having a bit of an off night last night. Logged on and did a bit of Circuit Experience at Tokyo (which I hate) and spent nearly an hour on on sector which I couldn't get past bronze!

So I jumped back into the TT for a change of scenery. I had some appalling laps, but managed to knock 3 tenths off and now have 1:41.7XX, which was pretty much exactly halfway between gold and silver times.

I need to do a bit of grinding over the next few days to recover from buying the Vulcan, One-77, and Veneno. So that might be me done on this one for a little while. Might come back at the end for a few hot laps.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

I would guess if we could somehow pull statistics of penalties and restarts, this one would definitely be in the top

You forgot the airtime...😆