Time Trial Discussion

[moby323]

Had an hour to try the Supra again, I slowly try to understand it, and when I load Jeddah's ghost I can keep up until the corner before the hairpin, then when I nail it, I'm very close to him, but the way he gains speed out of the hairpin is bizar, I have no idea how he manages that..and I loose al my time in the last 2 corners ...

1:51.489 for now in my M&M voiture 🤣
(Downloaded it from the gallery)

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He uses the throttle in all kinds of ways to rotate through corners and stuff. I have none of those skills

 

[Talon16]

Oh, you're using the Supra? Does it have more punch/power than the Porsche RSR? All that's killing my time is that sharp right turn, I'm trying to find a line to give me a high exit speed from the curb.

Supra is the META car for this TT if you have a look at the leaderboards. That being said, it's quite tailhappy on corner exit so just be ready for that. The Porsche is great for turn exits but the Supra is just an acceleration and top end monster.

Gearing is a big part of that so watch some of the top times for the gears they're using coming out of the turns. You can mitigate some of the loose rear by short shifting out of the turns... the powerband of the car will still accelerate pretty well anyway.

 

[Chris30]

Supra is the META car for this TT if you have a look at the leaderboards. That being said, it's quite tailhappy on corner exit so just be ready for that. The Porsche is great for turn exits but the Supra is just an acceleration and top end monster.

Gearing is a big part of that so watch some of the top times for the gears they're using coming out of the turns. You can mitigate some of the loose rear by short shifting out of the turns... the powerband of the car will still accelerate pretty well anyway.

Ok, I'll keep that in mind, I'm gonna research more about the Supra and just see what the pros and cons are of it. Toyota makes some great high-quality cars.

 

[Gomario JSP]

Hey man, that's a nice ride and killer design, how long did it take for you to create it. I may need some of your art skills in the future.

Naah I downloaded it from the in game gallery, so all credits to the maker, he did some nice job indeed 🤣😁,

 

[Chris30]

Naah I downloaded it from the in game gallery, so all credits to the maker, he did some nice job indeed 🤣😁,

Oh, lol I thought you made it, I wish I could be that good at art but it would take me forever to do.

 

[330_D]

Bob has created a video comparing the input devices with the BB Raceway TT, wheel, motion controls and standard controller. It's a really good comparison since it shows how slow the steering is and how the pad players can only get 70% of the steering the wheel users do in some of the corners:

I'm so ready for a wheel and seat. My controller struggle is maddening some days. 😂😂😂

 

[2Quickrides]

Might try the RCZ since some of you liked it so much, but we'll see...

I never said I liked it. Lol

 

[Evilmuffin]

Got the Alfa into the high 51.6s...I think I can definitely get into the .5s. The 2 corners that I'm having problem are turn one and the hairpin. I can nail them....just not all in the same lap 🤣

 

[tmtk]

Bob has created a video comparing the input devices with the BB Raceway TT, wheel, motion controls and standard controller. It's a really good comparison since it shows how slow the steering is and how the pad players can only get 70% of the steering the wheel users do in some of the corners:

Great comparison, it features motion steering and analogue sticks, now imagine yourself steering it with directional buttons...
I know that doesn't work like this, but I think every controller user that gets sub 33 seconds lap deserves gold here.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Great comparison, it features motion steering and analogue sticks, now imagine yourself steering it with directional buttons...
I know that doesn't work like this, but I think every controller user that gets sub 33 seconds lap deserves gold here.

Giving gold if you're within 3% of the fastest player with the same input device would be fair in my opinion.

 

[330_D]

Great comparison, it features motion steering and analogue sticks, now imagine yourself steering it with directional buttons...
I know that doesn't work like this, but I think every controller user that gets sub 33 seconds lap deserves gold here.

Currently I'm 32.85 with the D-Pad as my steering input. 😂 Usually only use TC set to 1 as well while tapping the behaysoos out of the x and square. I'm a four button silver until the aliens screw it up.

 

[NAXEHT]

Bob has created a video comparing the input devices with the BB Raceway TT, wheel, motion controls and standard controller. It's a really good comparison since it shows how slow the steering is and how the pad players can only get 70% of the steering the wheel users do in some of the corners:

Aha! Good video, kudos to Bob. The difference in how far that red steering dot goes to the side is quite apparent here.

I did notice yesterday that something seemed off trying this BB Raceway TT, I was completely off pace compared to how I should be performing and struggling heavily with those corners. Best I managed and it’s a lap I nailed quite well I’d say, was a 0’32.252 which is only 2,354th position as of writing this, an eternity away from my usual results (the most recent ones: P50, 224, 138, 593, 202, 166, 32, 290, etc).

Here’s what the lap looked like.

 

[Gomario JSP]

ok, so there is a comparrisson between the wheel and sticks, and i can imagine there should be some difference, that's kind of logical imo, but like 70%??, that is huge, but what i don't get then is why we do have fast pad players then?
if this is realy the case how the hell do these fast pad players ( also the guys here ) place so high on the tt's?

I didn't replay my lap on BB ( as that is the one that is compared ) , but it seems then that it is track or car related?
cause when i look at my input on my Lago lap my red dot goes all the way to the end?,
i will replay my lap on BB when i get home, very curious what i will find

Interesting things right here

So now i can sleep peacefully tonight knowing that i would be top 10 on BB when if i had a wheel

So here is my MetaSupraDupra lap, still time to gain but like allready said......., nailing everyting is just impossible

 

[moby323]

ok, so there is a comparrisson between the wheel and sticks, and i can imagine there should be some difference, that's kind of logical imo, but like 70%??, that is huge, but what i don't get then is why we do have fast pad players then?
if this is realy the case how the hell do these fast pad players ( also the guys here ) place so high on the tt's?

I didn't replay my lap on BB ( as that is the one that is compared ) , but it seems then that it is track or car related?
cause when i look at my input on my Lago lap my red dot goes all the way to the end?,
i will replay my lap on BB when i get home, very curious what i will find

Interesting things right here

So now i can sleep peacefully tonight knowing that i would be top 10 on BB when if i had a wheel

So here is my MetaSupraDupra lap, still time to gain but like allready said......., nailing everyting is just impossible

IIRC correctly, the number of people who play with a controller vastly outnumber the ones who play with wheels, like literally more than 10 to 1, yet the overwhelming majority of top drivers use a wheel, and that should tell you all you need to know about the advantages.

And keep in mind, it’s lot just the wheel, it’s also the pedals. I think you could argue that the pedals are actually the more important and impactful piece of hardware.

 

[Gorefast]

I tried the 911 RSR first, then improved with the Supra, managing a 52.5xx... but after reading your post, I switched back to the 911 and I got within 0.2s of my best on my very first lap, which was very surprising - I also just prefer the 911 RSR for some reason, and I managed to break into Gold after a 20 minute session. That said, I doubt it will hold for a gold, and I'm not sure I have much in the way of improvement, but at least I managed to break the 52s barrier...

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A sub-52-lap is my goal in this TT, so grats to you! I Like the 911 more than the supra but that might be because of the standard-livery of the Toyota.... I'm still fastest with the GTR and think I can reach my goal with it.

I'm afraid the aliens want all of the precious yellow metal for them alone. Right now I'm near the TopTen thousand and doubt that this will last golden. This week I'm short in time but hopefully next weekend I will return to this one. It is a lot of fun to test different cars. Happy week to all fellow racers!

 

[Pesselles]

A sub-52-lap is my goal in this TT, so grats to you! I Like the 911 more than the supra but that might be because of the standard-livery of the Toyota.... I'm still fastest with the GTR and think I can reach my goal with it.

I'm afraid the aliens want all of the precious yellow metal for them alone. Right now I'm near the TopTen thousand and doubt that this will last golden. This week I'm short in time but hopefully next weekend I will return to this one. It is a lot of fun to test different cars. Happy week to all fellow racers!

Same goal with the same car for the same reasons

 

[Gomario JSP]

IIRC correctly, the number of people who play with a controller vastly outnumber the ones who play with wheels, like literally more than 10 to 1, yet the overwhelming majority of top drivers use a wheel, and that should tell you all you need to know about the advantages.

And keep in mind, it’s lot just the wheel, it’s also the pedals. I think you could argue that the pedals are actually the more important and impactful piece of hardware.

That is true ofcourse, you are very right on that, i mean more like, if we pad user always only have 70% steering input, we won't be competing higher up in the international board, and there are a bunch of realy fast guys out here and there op pads.

But it seems indeed track/car related, i just checked my BB lap and indeed i have the same input, 70% or so, but like i said my Maggiore lap shows full input...

I'm shocked...... and now know for sure i won't touch BB again..

 

[moby323]

That is true ofcourse, you are very right on that, i mean more like, if we pad user always only have 70% steering input, we won't be competing higher up in the international board, and there are a bunch of realy fast guys out here and there op pads.

But it seems indeed track/car related, i just checked my BB lap and indeed i have the same input, 70% or so, but like i said my Maggiore lap shows full input...

I'm shocked...... and now know for sure i won't touch BB again..

At the end of the day, as far as I’m concerned the benefit of a wheel/pedal setup is not that it makes you faster, it’s the fact that it is more fun.

 

[Vule]

I was not driving as much in the past couple of months, for sure not competing, just time trialing myself on the Nordschleife for fun, but let's go again

I can't get myself to drive the Supra quickly, 911 suits me much better, but I will try for sure in the coming days

 

[ColinNZ]

I managed to wrestle the 911 around in 52.035 ... which may or may not be a gold time when I try again tomorrow.

 

[Rash-182]

Huracan is an absolute nightmare in the hairpin, if you as much as look at the throttle before you're completely out, it immediately takes you for a spin. Regardless I managed to do 51:931 with 0,2 on the table if needed, decided I'll go non-meta this time around.

 

[samppa_944]

Huracan is an absolute nightmare in the hairpin, if you as much as look at the throttle before you're completely out, it immediately takes you for a spin. Regardless I managed to do 51:931 with 0,2 on the table if needed, decided I'll go non-meta this time around.

I agree with this. I found the Huracan to be quick in my hands, but too unstable there. If I were you I would perhaps try the 458. I found it to be more stable, as long as you do not go full car over the inner white kerbing. The 458 gets enough rotation if you just put the right side tires on the normal kerbs or a little bit on the white inner kerbing and then it should not spin that easily.

 

[Rash-182]

I really don't understand how they're still keeping it the way it is when they already fixed the R8. Is Huracan now the only car left that behaves this way? Is it a suspension/diff issue and if yes, can it be fixed with a simple tune? I'd really like to try the same track with a different set-up in free practice. Other than that, thanks for the tips mate. I'll see how close to getting knocked out of gold I'll be and worst case do a lap in Supra.

 

[Touring Mars]

Jeddah_Racing is still chipping away at their time, but I managed to chip another 0.050s off my own time to stay just over 0.1s ahead of the Gold split time at 51.949.

I tried a few cars this morning - firstly back to the Supra, but didn't see much improvement there. Then back to the 911 RSR, and I managed to beat my best time twice in 10 laps, but I'm pretty much at my optimum. I then tried the AMG GT3 which is pretty nice, but I reckoned I was not going to beat my own time in the 911 RSR.

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I managed to switch to doing the full lap at TCS 0 - hairpin is a bit dodgy, but I found switching between TCS 1 and TCS 0 on-the-fly to be too distracting.

 

[tmtk]

Currently I'm 32.85 with the D-Pad as my steering input. 😂 Usually only use TC set to 1 as well while tapping the behaysoos out of the x and square. I'm a four button silver until the aliens screw it up.

We're in exactly the same boat except that I learned to manage X input to allow me usage of TCS 0 for most of the events.
So yeah, four button gold/silver here (still more golds than silvers).

At BB I did 32.5, but unusually I ran it with MT, because I was completely stuck at 32.7 with AT. It's only two gear changes for the whole lap so the six buttons configuration didn't blow my mind eventually. And it helps to maintain a good line if there's no switch to 5th in the long first turn.

 

[330_D]

I tested the red dot last night with the D-pad to see how much steering input I could get. I got close to max but couldn't quite get it all the way. It physically hurts my thumb to press that hard and I actually worry it might damage the buttons or pad. Brutal.

 

[Touring Mars]

I tested the red dot last night with the D-pad to see how much steering input I could get. I got close to max but couldn't quite get it all the way. It physically hurts my thumb to press that hard and I actually worry it might damage the buttons or pad. Brutal.

I have already broken one PS4 controller, which I've never managed to do with earlier consoles. I use the wheel for TTs mostly, but I do find myself using the D-pad still, and I don't feel that they are as resilient as they used to be.

 

[330_D]

We're in exactly the same boat except that I learned to manage X input to allow me usage of TCS 0 for most of the events.
So yeah, four button gold/silver here (still more golds than silvers).

At BB I did 32.5, but unusually I ran it with MT, because I was completely stuck at 32.7 with AT. It's only two gear changes for the whole lap so the six buttons configuration didn't blow my mind eventually. And it helps to maintain a good line if there's no switch to 5th in the long first turn.

I switch my TC setting often from zero to one. Sardegna I can run flat out without TC (like for the current daily races quali.) I think I'm at 27.6 which seems to be to the good end of a time for that particular track.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Aha! Good video, kudos to Bob. The difference in how far that red steering dot goes to the side is quite apparent here.

I did notice yesterday that something seemed off trying this BB Raceway TT, I was completely off pace compared to how I should be performing and struggling heavily with those corners. Best I managed and it’s a lap I nailed quite well I’d say, was a 0’32.252 which is only 2,354th position as of writing this, an eternity away from my usual results (the most recent ones: P50, 224, 138, 593, 202, 166, 32, 290, etc).

Here’s what the lap looked like.

I feel you. It's absolute nonsense that even after like putting 200km section on a track with only 4 corners, of which 2 of them are flatout, I'm almost 5 tenths slower than P1 and am like close to 1.000th in the rankings when I was top 24 on a car and track combo where it required a whole lot more skill to drive.

But yes, the steering is still a huge problem as it's not a 1:1 ratio like the wheel is. I follow the top 1's ghost on the first corner, exact same lines and I start turning HARD (I've tried with all sorts of controller sensitivity settings) at the exact same time as him and my car can't stick to the right apex as soon as he can...

All of this is noticeable on the BANKED corners. I'm having the exact same problem on the Maggiore TT, I am about 2-3 tenths away from the top 1 split until the final banked hairpin, I just have no way of following the same line as his because my car simply doesn't turn as much as he does, tried several times and always go wide as soon as I put the throttle in, and this even a split second after he does.I basically lose about 3-4 tenths on that corner alone... How!?

My time is a 32.124 on the BB TT so whoever is capable of a sub 32 time or even a 32.0XX is absolutely dragging the limit of what a PAD can do.

On the Maggiore TT I'm at 51.2 but I feel I can get a sub 51 time, but not much better than that.

ok, so there is a comparrisson between the wheel and sticks, and i can imagine there should be some difference, that's kind of logical imo, but like 70%??, that is huge, but what i don't get then is why we do have fast pad players then?
if this is realy the case how the hell do these fast pad players ( also the guys here ) place so high on the tt's?

I didn't replay my lap on BB ( as that is the one that is compared ) , but it seems then that it is track or car related?
cause when i look at my input on my Lago lap my red dot goes all the way to the end?,
i will replay my lap on BB when i get home, very curious what i will find

There is... The steering turn radius on the controller is not as big as the wheel's, and it's also not as responsive (yes, that 0.01s difference... CAN make a difference).
But it's not just the wheel, the pedals are also another factor. Although not as much as the turning radius of the wheel.

It's no surprise that in the top 100, about 80 or more players are wheel users, despite the fact that the number of pad users vastly outumber the wheel users.

 

[Gomario JSP]

There is... The steering turn radius on the controller is not as big as the wheel's, and it's also not as responsive (yes, that 0.01s difference... CAN make a difference).
But it's not just the wheel, the pedals are also another factor. Although not as much as the turning radius of the wheel.

It's no surprise that in the top 100, about 80 or more players are wheel users, despite the fact that the number of pad users vastly outumber the wheel users.

Now i do understand why i couldn't get below my 32.168, and trust me, i have tried A LOT
When you ,as our resident alien have problems we pads are all ****ed let's be honest
I'm going to just forget about my radius and crush the crap out of my DS4 trying to find my apex as i always did,
Thanks for the info