Time Trial Discussion

[Carlos Fandango]

Another G29 user here… one of the biggest upgrades I ever made (in terms of lap time) was installing the load cell on the brake pedal - I used these guys AXC

 

[crome]

LOL.. I only got you by a few years, and you are totally right.. as long as my reaction time isn't horrible I should be ok..
Does the GT DD Pro make a difference and actually help, I mean it's basically $1000 for all the up grades. I mean whatever it takes to help. I'm not afraid to put in the time, but if equipment matters...

My two cents, as someone who upgraded from a G29 to GT DD Pro a month ago: there's absolutely nothing wrong with the G29, you can have a lot of fun with it and achieve excellent times. Switching to the DD Pro is just one of these things where you have an intense honeymoon phase, and then you quickly accept it as the "new normal". It's only when you go back to the old wheel that you notice how big the difference really is.

I will say that the wheel and especially the load cell pedal helped me hit my limits more consistently, which translates into more immersion and less frustration, which translates into even more time spent in the game, which translates into better lap times.

So, in short, I definitely do not regret the purchase, but if I hadn't bought it, I would not know what I am missing out on and that would have been fine as well.

 

[Dragonwhisky]

I have a G29 wheel as well. I found the higher the FFB the more the game beats the daylights out of the wheel. I use FFB 2 on dirt and snow, FFB 4 or 5 everywhere else. Not world class fast me, not slowest either.

 

[Dan_Tes]

Hi fellas

As Captain @GlockPants so gently observed, I am back in the racing cockpit babbeeehhh!! Trial Mountain first as I am well behind schedule. I can’t quite pick this one, is it too tough or is it one of the all time greats!?? I’m not a big fan of the Supra GT500 in this game, too understeery on hard tyres and let’s go under boost just about everywhere so Trial Mountain is just about the worst track to use it on IMO with its beautiful flowing and undulating lines. HOWEVER

The more I play it the more I enjoy it, it’s one of those that takes loads of practice to get quick at because you’re never quite sure whether the car will under or oversteer until you’ve done a ton of laps. Right in its sweet spot it’s quite a thing and yeah Trial Mountain… even I as not the biggest GT veteran (dipped in and out very casually since A-spec) can appreciate the nostalgia effect and despite being wicked at times, when that good lap comes together it is very satisfying indeed.

I haven’t done enough laps to know exactly where my ceiling is but sub 1:51.5 is my goal and so far, so agonisingly close!!

Happy lapping everyone, I did a tester lap on the Nürnberg GP (TM) and it seemed ALOT of fun so I’d love to get stuck in there soon 😁

 

[Gomario JSP]

Hi fellas

As Captain @GlockPants so gently observed, I am back in the racing cockpit babbeeehhh!! Trial Mountain first as I am well behind schedule. I can’t quite pick this one, is it too tough or is it one of the all time greats!?? I’m not a big fan of the Supra GT500 in this game, too understeery on hard tyres and let’s go under boost just about everywhere so Trial Mountain is just about the worst track to use it on IMO with its beautiful flowing and undulating lines. HOWEVER

The more I play it the more I enjoy it, it’s one of those that takes loads of practice to get quick at because you’re never quite sure whether the car will under or oversteer until you’ve done a ton of laps. Right in its sweet spot it’s quite a thing and yeah Trial Mountain… even I as not the biggest GT veteran (dipped in and out very casually since A-spec) can appreciate the nostalgia effect and despite being wicked at times, when that good lap comes together it is very satisfying indeed.

I haven’t done enough laps to know exactly where my ceiling is but sub 1:51.5 is my goal and so far, so agonisingly close!!

Happy lapping everyone, I did a tester lap on the Nürnberg GP (TM) and it seemed ALOT of fun so I’d love to get stuck in there soon 😁

Nice!, you did set a descent lap there immediately mate!, I have very mixed feeling about the trial mountain combo, I know it's an iconic combination but indeed the GT500 on hards isn't the best, I did struggle quite a lot to learn how to get the power down at the right place, but my problem seems to be that I have way more fun driving it on the edge and over it, but that's the slowest way to get it around 🤣, but as I became a one week man I didn't toutch it anymore....

I'll pick the RX-8 on the GP track any day over the GT500, man that combo is fun, but so much time to stuff up 🤣🤣

I'm sure you'll hit that 21.5 in no time!

 

[skydragon49]

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Lovely livery!

 

[330_D]

LOL.. I only got you by a few years, and you are totally right.. as long as my reaction time isn't horrible I should be ok..
Does the GT DD Pro make a difference and actually help, I mean it's basically $1000 for all the up grades. I mean whatever it takes to help. I'm not afraid to put in the time, but if equipment matters...

It's my first wheel after spending years struggling with a controller. For me (and not everyone's experience) there was a steep learning curve with the wheel. I've never used a wheel before I got this one and for the first week or two I hated it. I couldn't figure anything out. It seemed incredibly difficult... fast forward 6 months and I have found my groove entirely. I get way more enjoyment from this game than I ever considered possible. It's a ton of fun for me and it absolutely HAS made a huge difference in the way I play. I'm way better. Like way way better. But it took a lot of time and practice. So short answer. Yes. It made a huge difference for me.

I mean just scroll through this thread starting about may or June and you'll see my progression as far as lowering my times in these Time Trials...

 

[zjn]

Hi fellas

As Captain @GlockPants so gently observed, I am back in the racing cockpit babbeeehhh!! Trial Mountain first as I am well behind schedule. I can’t quite pick this one, is it too tough or is it one of the all time greats!?? I’m not a big fan of the Supra GT500 in this game, too understeery on hard tyres and let’s go under boost just about everywhere so Trial Mountain is just about the worst track to use it on IMO with its beautiful flowing and undulating lines. HOWEVER

The more I play it the more I enjoy it, it’s one of those that takes loads of practice to get quick at because you’re never quite sure whether the car will under or oversteer until you’ve done a ton of laps. Right in its sweet spot it’s quite a thing and yeah Trial Mountain… even I as not the biggest GT veteran (dipped in and out very casually since A-spec) can appreciate the nostalgia effect and despite being wicked at times, when that good lap comes together it is very satisfying indeed.

I haven’t done enough laps to know exactly where my ceiling is but sub 1:51.5 is my goal and so far, so agonisingly close!!

Happy lapping everyone, I did a tester lap on the Nürnberg GP (TM) and it seemed ALOT of fun so I’d love to get stuck in there soon 😁

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Nice to see you back Dan, leaderboard looked a bit empty

 

[Carp]

It's my first wheel after spending years struggling with a controller. For me (and not everyone's experience) there was a steep learning curve with the wheel. I've never used a wheel before I got this one and for the first week or two I hated it. I couldn't figure anything out. It seemed incredibly difficult... fast forward 6 months and I have found my groove entirely. I get way more enjoyment from this game than I ever considered possible. It's a ton of fun for me and it absolutely HAS made a huge difference in the way I play. I'm way better. Like way way better. But it took a lot of time and practice. So short answer. Yes. It made a huge difference for me.

I mean just scroll through this thread starting about may or June and you'll see my progression as far as lowering my times in these Time Trials...

I think I will look into the new wheel I am also working on building a Aluminum rig, right now I have a home made wood one. It works just fine.. Oh and nothing is cheap..LOL

 

[Wilsonson]

… Does the GT DD Pro make a difference and actually help …

We have guys here who do top 100 times on the Dualsense. However either RWinkelmann or Ed 89 (the other German alien in here) said a few weeks ago how cranking force feedback all the way up on their expensive DD wheel made a huge difference due to being able to keep the car at the edge of grip and catching slides even earlier.

I personally use the Dualsense. Just as I am faster with this very good controller compared to an older Dualshock I guess that I would be even faster with a wheel and especially a very high Nm DD wheel with load cell brake. I have no idea how much faster I would be however. A wheel and good pedals just allow for more nuanced and smooth inputs which should help.

… Regarding the steering wheel I would say it makes a small difference, maybe you can feel a slide faster but there are enough top drivers with junk hardware. A Loadcell brake on the other hand will definitely make you faster. That would be the first thing on the upgrade list.

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… For now, if you want to be faster, should focus more on racing techniques, such as trail braking, racing line, using the entire width of the track, how to induce under(over) steer at will, etc. These will get your lap time down much faster than a $1000 worth of hardware.

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[Carp]

We have guys here who do top 100 times on the Dualsense. However either RWinkelmann or Ed 89 (the other German alien in here) said a few weeks ago how cranking force feedback all the way up on their expensive DD wheel made a huge difference due to being able to keep the car at the edge of grip and catching slides even earlier.

I personally use the Dualsense. Just as I am faster with this very good controller compared to an older Dualshock I guess that I would be even faster with a wheel and especially a very high Nm DD wheel with load cell brake. I have no idea how much faster I would be however. A wheel and good pedals just allow for more nuanced and smooth inputs which should help.

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I do know that I will not be getting a new wheel and pedal right away so I will just be back to "practice". I really enjoy the Sim, and want to be really good, it would be great to make the "front page"....

 

[EbrahimX7]

Mission low .8 completed 🌚

 

[Gomario JSP]

Mission low .8 completed 🌚

Very smooth lap, interesting to watch!, and so much later om the brakes than i do.....well done!

 

[RB_Free]

My two cents, as someone who upgraded from a G29 to GT DD Pro a month ago: there's absolutely nothing wrong with the G29, you can have a lot of fun with it and achieve excellent times. Switching to the DD Pro is just one of these things where you have an intense honeymoon phase, and then you quickly accept it as the "new normal". It's only when you go back to the old wheel that you notice how big the difference really is.

I will say that the wheel and especially the load cell pedal helped me hit my limits more consistently, which translates into more immersion and less frustration, which translates into even more time spent in the game, which translates into better lap times.

So, in short, I definitely do not regret the purchase, but if I hadn't bought it, I would not know what I am missing out on and that would have been fine as well.

Same opinion, for me the steering wheel is not "essential" while for the brake pedal it's a completely different matter.
I don't understand why they put that rubber in the G29 to simulate a "real brake" when in the end it only makes the precision less due to the shorter travel of the pedal, in fact with the G27 I was much more consistent compared to the brake of the G29 because it was possible to modulate the release better and removing the rubber it's useless because after 50-60% the brake reaches 100% due to how the hardware in the steering wheel is set.
Furthermore, in addition to the 5% dead zone at the beginning, which can be removed on GT7 in the settings, it seems to me that even at 0 the brake responds a little after being pressed, perhaps to resolve the flickering brake of worn potentiometers they have also implemented a dead zone by default via the hardware.

At the moment, given that the warranty on the my G29 expires in a few months, I'm undecided on what to do since the brake it's never liked me:
€0 and stay with the stock pedal [+€60 2 sets of AXC when the potentiometers will have problems]
€30 and put a progressive spring [+€60 2 sets of AXC when the potentiometers will have problems]
€80 for a linear potentiometer (AXC) [+€30 1 set of the AXC when the potentiometer will have problems]
€100 a load cell (MVH studios) [+€30 1 sets of AXC when the potentiometer will have problems]
€440 for the G pro pedal board with the adapter for the G29/G923 [With what guarantee of durability? Will there be any problems in 2-3 years?]

However, back IT for time trials could be less of a problem because in the end you can get a good lap but maybe by being more consistent you would be able to put together a better lap or you can make a similar lap but in a lot more time.

 

[Evilmuffin]

I also have a G29. I read in other topics about lowering the FF to avoid clipping and that doing so makes more un-clipped info coming through the wheel better.

Now, I may blindly trust you, because you always are full of meaningful feedback for all of us, but would kindly ask to elaborate a bit on this sentence, particullary what the hands would feel with the different settings. Thanks

In the force feedbacl setting I have both max torque and sensitivity at max (10). I also have true force set at its default setting in G-hub.

As far as what your hand can feel...with so little force....not a whole lot! But the steering does feel lighter (you do have to pay attention to it or you might not feel it at all) when you start to understeer....and true force should be shaking your wheel and being very loud about it.

As for the other assist like counter steer and stability control, you don't feel it in the wheel. However, you will feel the car is a lot less willing to rotate, especially during the corner entry phase. Well...that's what these assist do....to keep you from spinning. The problem is if you are rotating less during the entry, you will have to rotate the car more at some point. So you either have to slow down more at the apex so you can turn the car to have a proper exit....or you sail pass the apex waiting for the car to slow down and turn....both kill your exit speed.

 

[P-Courty]

I do know that I will not be getting a new wheel and pedal right away so I will just be back to "practice". I really enjoy the Sim, and want to be really good, it would be great to make the "front page"....

I have a G29 too with H-shifter spring mod to make it stiffer. I haven't used it for a while though (cable eating kitten running round at the moment 😂).

One thing for catching slides (this is controversial) is to search for Logitech G29 Overclock and have a read on the uprated power supplies that you can get, but make sure you get the right one. It gives the wheel a bit more spin speed, but turn the force feedback down otherwise the motor gets hot.

 

[Carp]

I have a G29 too with H-shifter spring mod to make it stiffer. I haven't used it for a while though (cable eating kitten running round at the moment 😂).

One thing for catching slides (this is controversial) is to search for Logitech G29 Overclock and have a read on the uprated power supplies that you can get, but make sure you get the right one. It gives the wheel a bit more spin speed, but turn the force feedback down otherwise the motor gets hot.

I may look at a loadcell upgrade, but even that money can be used for new stuff.. Here is a link for a new cable for your pedals... https://www.axc-sim.com/product/replacement-wiring-loom-for-logitech-pedals/ I had to get a new one, I inverted my pedals and was not very cautious when I moved things.. 😂

 

[P-Courty]

I may look at a loadcell upgrade, but even that money can be used for new stuff.. Here is a link for a new cable for your pedals... https://www.axc-sim.com/product/replacement-wiring-loom-for-logitech-pedals/ I had to get a new one, I inverted my pedals and was not very cautious when I moved things.. 😂

I was thinking of inverting my pedals but would need to make some amendments to my rig (GTOmega Classic) but then I'm also tempted to get a Coffee Racer rig as I'll probably use the wheel more again then.

 

[Carp]

I was thinking of inverting my pedals but would need to make some amendments to my rig (GTOmega Classic) but then I'm also tempted to get a Coffee Racer rig as I'll probably use the wheel more again then.

I built my rig and it isn't anything special so the conversion was a easy change. I have cleaned up the tools and the cables, and yes that is a phone holder so I can have those helpful videos speed up my times... LOL I have a long way to go before it changes over to the "Cool Stuff"

 

[GlockPants]

Final push at Trial Mountain today. 40 laps and I almost didn't make any progress. While I was hoping to get closer to my optimal lap, I'd only manage a small gain. Not quite enough to get a 51.8 ... But I was quite close. And look at that optimal lap ...

Here's the replay.



Tomorrow I'll start the Nurburgring GP TT. I'm thinking a safe Gold is my goal here. Seems like @EbrahimX7 has maybe found the limit? I think about 2.5% will be sufficient.

 

[Gomario JSP]

No rig or loadcell here but dualsense and a very early alarm clock to create 1000km a week before work on timetrials 🤣🤣

But I'm very jaleouse of all your setups! One day if the daughter is out of the house ...it's manecave time..... for now ill try my best with the controller...🤣

Did found some time with the RX-8 tho!
@ikon_313 🥳🥳 now I can officialy rectify 🤣🤣

 

[Lomic]

Sorry to interrupt those interesting discussions about wheels and pedals, I just want to say that I did my last session at TM. Alas no improvement ! Except best sector 1 ever.

Optimal with all best sectors form all sessions : 1:54.318...

I feel stuck on 1:55-56.

100 laps total ~398km

I took some time after that to go watch nature, and I saw Nessie :

And the monkey :

Next TT I'll be working on will be NBGP, and I hope I'll enjoy the next one more.

@GODs :

Never been so close to @Pesselles 😅

 

[Pesselles]

Sorry to interrupt those interesting discussion about wheels and pedals, I just want to say that I did my last session at TM. Alas no improvement ! Except best sector 1 ever.

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Optimal with all best sectors form all sessions : 1:54.318...

I feel stuck on 1:55-56.

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I took some time after that to go watch nature, and I saw Nessie :

And the monkey :
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Next TT I'll be working on will be NBGP, and I hope I'll enjoy the next one more.

@GODs :
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Never been so close to @Pesselles 😅

Wow congrats, you did a good job and your perserence was fruitful!!

I see on your data that the 3rd sector was very tricky also for you. I never found the key to get a decent score on this part, and get gold.

Anyway, BRAVO!

 

[ikon_313]

No rig or loadcell here but dualsense and a very early alarm clock to create 1000km a week before work on timetrials 🤣🤣

But I'm very jaleouse of all your setups! One day if the daughter is out of the house ...it's manecave time..... for now ill try my best with the controller...🤣

Did found some time with the RX-8 tho!
@ikon_313 🥳🥳 now I can officialy rectify 🤣🤣

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You're on fire lately. Awesome to see the progress and how commitment pays off. Especially when knowing where you came from with what some people here referred to as “nokia setup“ Would love to see what laptimes you could do with a wheel.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Congrats @GlockPants Sir! Great lap, looked perfect on the left between the tunnels heading onto the back straight. In my humble and slower opinion (), a slightly later apex to the left at the end of the back straight would probably gain you another tenth in the last sector.

 

[330_D]

Final push at Trial Mountain today. 40 laps and I almost didn't make any progress. While I was hoping to get closer to my optimal lap, I'd only manage a small gain. Not quite enough to get a 51.8 ... But I was quite close. And look at that optimal lap ...

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Here's the replay.



Tomorrow I'll start the Nurburgring GP TT. I'm thinking a safe Gold is my goal here. Seems like @EbrahimX7 has maybe found the limit? I think about 2.5% will be sufficient.

So close at the entrance to the second tunnel!! Very nice lap. You have me nervous. 🔥

 

[GlockPants]

Congrats @GlockPants Sir! Great lap, looked perfect on the left between the tunnels heading onto the back straight. In my humble and slower opinion (), a slightly later apex to the left at the end of the back straight would probably gain you another tenth in the last sector.

That turn was where that lap started to go bad. The back straight is long enough for doubt to creep in and ruin everything.

So close at the entrance to the second tunnel!! Very nice lap. You have me nervous. 🔥

I think that was probably the closest I got to that wall without touching. One of my better first halves there. Always felt like if I had a real good S1, I'd mess up the beginning of S2. If S1 and S2 were good S3 was bad. But the opposite is also true. If S1 was bad, S2 and S3 were great. As you can see from my ghost in the VR replay.

 

[LSFDRX]

Took a moment to put in a handful of laps this morning before heading out. Only took about 7 laps to get into gold range (there were two laps before this video where I spun and reset), but I can tell that eeking more time out of this one is going to take a LOT more laps than that. It's not the RX8's fault... this thing is beautifully balanced and slightly underpowered, so it's 100% on the driver to make it do what it needs to.

Time will tell if I make more time to whittle the lap down some more. I'm usually pretty content with a comfy gold and the money that comes with it!

RX8 - Nurburg GP - Time Trial

 

[330_D]

That turn was where that lap started to go bad. The back straight is long enough for doubt to creep in and ruin everything.

I think that was probably the closest I got to that wall without touching. One of my better first halves there. Always felt like if I had a real good S1, I'd mess up the beginning of S2. If S1 and S2 were good S3 was bad. But the opposite is also true. If S1 was bad, S2 and S3 were great. As you can see from my ghost in the VR replay.

I find that is a make or break corner for me. I'm not good through the first sector. I absolutely kill the second when I get it right (like inside @Metalgear9493 ghost in the hairpin occasionally) and the third is just a crapshoot. It's so technical and knife edge through there. Nice work.

 

[tmtk]

Last push at Trial Mountain.
Only an hour, but improvement in some corners was already noticeable.
Too bad I couldn't put it into that perfect lap (optimal went down to 52.3).

Nevertheless laptime improvement happened. After sloppy sector 1 (31.160) I gave chase, caught my ghost at the chicane and managed to accelerate out of it well enough to bring home a really good time:

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Not quite the tenth I expected, but it's 52.7 and I'll take it.

I really hope for this track to come back with some nice road car soon!