Time Trial Discussion

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Very nice with a "new" track, well at least new for TTs. Looks like more shiny gold, let's say 1% of gold might be tricky to reach, 🤔 I see no distance/braking markers, no 50m, 100m ... boards 🤔 which might make it harder to know where to brake, let's see. Also it seems not so difficult, I predict many medals and many shiny medals too, unless someone tells aliens that's possible to ride sausages and cut the time even more and not get penalized 😂
 
I don't know if I'll settle for the money with the RX-8 and have more fun with the Honda Civic.....🤔🤔

with my 1st account, I drove 20 minutes last night and was 1480th in 1' 29.1...😲😲😲😂😂

a little bomb with "racing" tires, that doesn't go too fast: everything I like......

I have a feeling that the times are going to go down, so I'll have to aim for 1'28" like Jéjé...
 
Several sessions on Lago Maggiore this morning, trying to improve my 1:29.558 to save the yellow reward.

Bad news: many laps between 1:29.7xx and 1:30.1xx but no improvement, so far.

Good news: I've identified the reason why I'm so slow (like our famous Ninja Turtles @Lomic and @smoothbore12 ).

Sector 1: my very best was 27.8xx but I'm too rarely below 28.x. I'm losing a lot time on the 1st sector and I guess my problem is the first turn.

Sector 2: I'm in a range of 28.3 to 28.8, depend on how I manage the downhill curve of the death...

Sector 3: very constanlty in 33.4x
 
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Barareklam
Very nice with a "new" track, well at least new for TTs. Looks like more shiny gold, let's say 1% of gold might be tricky to reach, 🤔 I see no distance/braking markers, no 50m, 100m ... boards 🤔 which might make it harder to know where to brake, let's see. Also it seems not so difficult, I predict many medals and many shiny medals too, unless someone tells aliens that's possible to ride sausages and cut the time even more and not get penalized 😂
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@Tidgney's lap guide covers braking points pretty good. I also felt like poking in the dark while trying to figure this out myself at first - while some are obvious, others weren't at all for me. After watching the guide and using his line, my lap time instantly improved by a good margin.
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Nice!, you did set a descent lap there immediately mate!, I have very mixed feeling about the trial mountain combo, I know it's an iconic combination but indeed the GT500 on hards isn't the best, I did struggle quite a lot to learn how to get the power down at the right place, but my problem...
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The new TT is really great !

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I have an opti 1:27.9 but I just can't get all 3 sectors together, I always somewhat screw one of them (usually the second, but I can lose some time in the 3rd too).
 
The fastest I've gone through that downhill hard breaking left and back up the hill I let off the throttle very early and coasted a bit before I brake very hard quickly and let off to trail in. This car steers and accelerate best using the brakes to stabilize. If you drag them just a tiny bit on acceleration and through choppy bits or fast sweepers it settles the car tremendously and you don't lose enough speed to counter the extra control you have. It's a very very fine touch though and I can't quite dial it back in after my fast lap. It works though.
 
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LeGeNd-1
My comments on the difficulty rating breakdown in your video description:

- Lap Length: A longer lap means an easier gold time as the % increases. Think of it like interest rates, the higher the savings amount the larger the amount you get (So the larger the time leeway). Anything with a 3/4 second window I would class as easier not necessarily easy. This is due to the fact there will be more straights, number of corners rarely changes much.
My take: while it's true you have more leeway with a longer lap, there are also a lot more corners to get right. The TTs we had on Nordschleife and St Croix were one of the hardest to get gold for me. Having said that, I only had 1 bronze ever and it's the dastardly X2019 at Road Atlanta. Sub 1 minute lap means there's zero margin for error. So I guess it could go both ways.

- How hard a car is to drive. So do you have to do exceptional things to get gold. Does it oversteer all the time, does it do huge understeer so you're having to do alternative things.
My take: agree with this. Though I would also broadly classify road cars as being harder for the general population compared to race cars. Lots of people are used to driving just Gr.3/4 that when you put them in road cars with comfort/sport tyres, soft suspension and no downforce they struggle. Although for me it's the opposite and I struggle with higher downforce cars like LMP and Super Formula, this guide is meant for general players so I think road car combos would have a higher difficulty rating. Also certain cars might favour some drivers' style more. I know you're a specialist with the R8 LMS back in GT Sport but I cannot drive that car to save my life because of the lift off oversteer.

- Penalties and track limits. So barriers close to the track I would class as harder, places where you can cut easier.
My take: again I'm the opposite of this. I find it easier to get close to the limit at Tokyo than places like Maggiore/Sarthe because it's clear where the boundaries are. I tend to drive in a conservative manner and I hate cutting kerbs that would DSQ a lap in real life. I guess it's easier for someone who has no qualms abusing track limits, but having to memorise which pixel I can/cannot cross on entry/apex/exit is more difficult for me than not touching walls.

- How easy it was for me to get close to Rank 1
My take: agree, although again you're an alien and most of us are not :lol:

- I would add also wet and rally combos tend to be more difficult for most people, but I guess this can fall under the "how hard is the car" category.

- Controller input/driving aids that people use can make a big difference. Cars that need precision are harder to gold with controller. Some cars need funky gear shifts and if you drive with AT it's gonna be a problem.

You're a much much better driver than I could ever hope to be, so this isn't meant in a condescending tone, but I think it's best to just remove the Gold difficulty rating altogether to avoid giving people false hope :lol: Obviously a Fiat 500 around an oval is gonna be easier than an old 911 around the Nordschleife, but for everything in between there are just too many variables to rate. Different skill levels, people's preference for road cars vs race cars, people's familiarity with certain tracks, etc. Don't underestimate also human's brain expectations - some people see a road car combo with easy difficulty and expect a walk in the park, but they drive a first lap and understeer everywhere and get discouraged quickly. Meanwhile a Gr.1 combo might be technically harder but because they love driving it they have an easier time getting gold.

My 2 cents :) Been following your guides since GT Academy days and even though now I don't really need them as much I still watch every video religiously 👍
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Appreciate the feedback and don't worry I am not taking this in the wrong way (Very hard to offend me haha), you know me I'm always looking to improve and take on the feedback (It's why the chase cam has made an appearance 👀.

With the longer lap thing it depends on the circuit I do take corners into account like Saint Crioux I would question (Also nurburgring but I've never done a guide there).

The Road/Race car I actually started to think about more since the Mazda RX-8 Time trial. I don't know why I was so strong at that combo to be honest, and am definitely taking this into account going forward (If I forget to add that bit in the description, apologies in advance!).

I never really thought about track limits that way in that if you can see them they make a time trial easier. I was more looking at it like seaside chicane of death exit where it's an absolute pain in the back side haha.

I've certainly been on and off with the difficulty because as you say there are alot of variables to it and what's easier for one isn't easier for another which was the reason for the description addition. I may actually just put a vote out as that may be easier, likewise with the Gold estimate as sometimes that can be hard to nail. But again I appreciate the feedback honestly, always take everything on and appreciate the continued support!

Speaking of which, congratulations to anyone getting gold, and a big thanks for letting me know the video helped as well (Although you did the hard bit!).
 
Sitting at a 29.6 at the moment with no real sensing of improving from there. Will have another go at it tomorrow morning but I have to admit that FF cars are not my strength. Now that I have seen how whack the track boundaries are and that upshifting earlier can prevent wheelspin/save time I should be able to skweeeek-vtec-brap-pop into the gold range.

If there are any GTPlanet members that wanna shoot me a FR, I'm always looking for friendly competition on these TTs!
 
@Tidgney re the difficulty classification, I don't know if you really need to include it as sometimes these TTs are easier for some and harder for others etc.

I'm not sure what it adds as some are classified as hard and 5 laps you gold it. Others classified as easy but you spend hours grinding out the last few tenths.

Basically it's relative to a players combo strength rather than the TT itself it that makes sense?
 
I had a very quick go this morning and just squeezed into silver.

A few laps after studying a quick lap, however, has brought me down to 1:29.846 - certain silver but still feels quite a long way of a possible gold.

It's a really straightforward track/car combo, except for the middle section - the 'wall of death' has caught me out on about 50% of my attempts thus far, and the following corner (the long, downhill left-hander) has always been a pet hate of mine, but I reckon there could be another 0.5s in there for me, but I don't think that will be enough for a gold in the end.
 
Pesselles
Message to the Dutch team: it's never a good idea to challenge @EbrahimX7 ... Thousands of players will be back in silver in no time because of you!!! :ouch:

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Special thanks to @Tidgney for his video, this very weak gold score is clearly at your credit!
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Haha lol, no im sure i will not get this one, i really hate the car and I wish I didnt do this TT 😅
 
Tidgney
Appreciate the feedback and don't worry I am not taking this in the wrong way (Very hard to offend me haha), you know me I'm always looking to improve and take on the feedback (It's why the chase cam has made an appearance 👀.

With the longer lap thing it depends on the circuit I do take corners into account like Saint Crioux I would question (Also nurburgring but I've never done a guide there).

The Road/Race car I actually started to think about more since the Mazda RX-8 Time trial. I don't know why I was so strong at that combo to be honest, and am definitely taking this into account going forward (If I forget to add that bit in the description, apologies in advance!).

I never really thought about track limits that way in that if you can see them they make a time trial easier. I was more looking at it like seaside chicane of death exit where it's an absolute pain in the back side haha.

I've certainly been on and off with the difficulty because as you say there are alot of variables to it and what's easier for one isn't easier for another which was the reason for the description addition. I may actually just put a vote out as that may be easier, likewise with the Gold estimate as sometimes that can be hard to nail. But again I appreciate the feedback honestly, always take everything on and appreciate the continued support!

Speaking of which, congratulations to anyone getting gold, and a big thanks for letting me know the video helped as well (Although you did the hard bit!).
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Hi @Tidgney ,

If you welcome feedback, I'd be happy to put my two cents in as well.

First of all, your video was great!! I really enjoyed your explanations and your video production in terms of highlighting landmarks for braking. As you saw in my post, your ghost helped me break into the top 1000, so a big thanks to you!

In terms of the "Gold difficulty", in general I'm in agreement with @LeGeNd-1 . There are too many variables in the equation to say how easy or difficult it will be for a particular racer. As an example, I had no problem golding the Civic race. It may be the easiest gold I've ever gotten. Then I went back to the RX-7 race on Nurb GP which I hadn't tried yet, and after 10 laps I'm still in silver and need to burn another 1+ seconds off my time to get into gold. I'm pretty sure I'll get there because I enjoy the car and track, but "for me", I won't classify it as easy, even though I thought it would be easier than it is. Was I influenced in that perception by watching your video? Who knows?

Bottom line, it's very subjective. As @LeGeNd-1 points out, you're an alien, so it's all easy to you, and probably hard for you to gauge anymore what's easy or hard for us mere mortals :)

Also, from a psychological point of view, unless you're very self-aware (most people are not even if they think they are), it might be hard not to be discouraged by an "easy gold" label at the same time you find yourself struggling.

Bottom line, your videos are awesome, and I think with the 'gold difficulty' rating, the negatives outweigh the positives.

Just my personal opinion for what it's worth.

Thanks again for all the work you put in and for sharing here.

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I have some advice for the middle section if you all want it. Brake at the end of the curb before the sweeper right with the rumbles. Gently. Downshift as you let off the brake to 5th (I can make it through in sixth but it's a crapshoot) only throttle to stabilize here. When you turn in for the left aim to straddle the curb on exit and if you hit it correctly you'll have a nice little straight shot between that and the wall of death corner to brake lightly, downshift to 4th, for turn in and cut the wheel gently. Upshift to 5th and roll a little while turning in. If you put your left tires as close to the inside of that curb you can mash the throttle in 5th and it'll grab, pull and absolutely rip out. It'll make the downhill tougher and you'll have to let off/brake earlier for the left at the bottom because you'll have significantly more speed than you are used to. That's my method. I consistently can run a 28.3xx lap and that seems to be my most consistent sector.
 
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This one is really still work in progress, but it's very enjoyable tt. The downhill i need to figure out, bit there's plenty of time left. So far so good.

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Another 2 tenths here, I have to get the figures, but I think my ideal is on the gold bound.
In this evening session I discovered the power of coasting here in couple of turns, bit still have to figure it out properly
 

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Lomic
Another round of 10 laps at LM with the Civic (what NBGP are you talking about ? I don't know anything about that :P )

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Not a lot of progress... Still in silver with a light improvement. Many poor laps.

Got some work to do...
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If I may, you should care first on your first sector (like me) and try to be under 0:28 constantly. I know it's not easy but the first turn is essential to gain a good speed to the Esses. If you still didn't, take a look at Tidgney's video, which is super clear on that part.

Good luck my friend, you deserve and worth more than this :cheers:
 
newmedia_dev
@Tidgney re the difficulty classification, I don't know if you really need to include it as sometimes these TTs are easier for some and harder for others etc.

I'm not sure what it adds as some are classified as hard and 5 laps you gold it. Others classified as easy but you spend hours grinding out the last few tenths.

Basically it's relative to a players combo strength rather than the TT itself it that makes sense?
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luv2drive
Hi @Tidgney ,

If you welcome feedback, I'd be happy to put my two cents in as well.

First of all, your video was great!! I really enjoyed your explanations and your video production in terms of highlighting landmarks for braking. As you saw in my post, your ghost helped me break into the top 1000, so a big thanks to you!

In terms of the "Gold difficulty", in general I'm in agreement with @LeGeNd-1 . There are too many variables in the equation to say how easy or difficult it will be for a particular racer. As an example, I had no problem golding the Civic race. It may be the easiest gold I've ever gotten. Then I went back to the RX-7 race on Nurb GP which I hadn't tried yet, and after 10 laps I'm still in silver and need to burn another 1+ seconds off my time to get into gold. I'm pretty sure I'll get there because I enjoy the car and track, but "for me", I won't classify it as easy, even though I thought it would be easier than it is. Was I influenced in that perception by watching your video? Who knows?

Bottom line, it's very subjective. As @LeGeNd-1 points out, you're an alien, so it's all easy to you, and probably hard for you to gauge anymore what's easy or hard for us mere mortals :)

Also, from a psychological point of view, unless you're very self-aware (most people are not even if they think they are), it might be hard not to be discouraged by an "easy gold" label at the same time you find yourself struggling.

Bottom line, your videos are awesome, and I think with the 'gold difficulty' rating, the negatives outweigh the positives.

Just my personal opinion for what it's worth.

Thanks again for all the work you put in and for sharing here.

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It is very subjective so what I'll do is take it out going forward. Honestly appreciate the feedback. I know it sounds nuts but I do read every single comment that gets posted on the channel and respond where appropriate (Sometimes I can be delayed by 3-4 weeks but always will). So if there's anything where multiple people feel the same thing about something it gets bumped up the feedback/work on list.

Really do appreciate it folks thankyou for the support, GTPlanet is a great community and glad to be apart of it!
 
Lomic
Another round of 10 laps at LM with the Civic (what NBGP are you talking about ? I don't know anything about that :P )

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Not a lot of progress... Still in silver with a light improvement. Many poor laps.

Got some work to do...
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Try to do a 10-15 laps session (no ghost) at 90% pace. Target lap time is 2 seconds slower than your PB...and your aim is to get the lap time to be as consistent as possible...say within 0.3 seconds of each other. Do each corner the same, using the same braking point and turn-in. After that...do 10 push lap and try to best your PB.
 
Evilmuffin
Try to do a 10-15 laps session (no ghost) at 90% pace. Target lap time is 2 seconds slower than your PB...and your aim is to get the lap time to be as consistent as possible...say within 0.3 seconds of each other. Do each corner the same, using the same braking point and turn-in. After that...do 10 push lap and try to best your PB.
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