Time Trial Discussion

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Chris30
Me, most of the time. Why, do you?
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Only Chris is using AT, all other forum members use MT of course

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Chris30
Wow man, gratz! Did you happen to use the MT during that run? I'm stuck at 1'31.110, near silver.
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Hey Chris ! I sure did. I think you need to think about switching to MT to get the hang of it. You won't like it at first, but it will definitely make you faster in the long term.
Just have fun with it and slowly you'll build some much needed muscle memory 👍🏼
 
BrejkJaNeck
Oh no I haven't used AT in 15 years xD But that's prob why you're stuck if I had to take a guess :)
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I know I've said this before here, but mastering MT is not the silver bullet to make you faster. It's just one tool out of many, and not even the most important one. My guess is that many of the experienced guys here (understandably) haven't used it for ages, and with so many discussions revolving around the right gear to enter / exit any given corner, it's hard for them to imagine how one could succeed with AT.

But you can. I'm still new to sim racing, and for the first 6 months I only used AT, before switching to MT late December when my new gear arrived. And to this day, my only top 1,000 placement is the 911 GT3 RS in Daytona, which I still did with AT.

I am not saying that you can get anywhere near the world record with AT, but it is not the thing that keeps you from reaching gold, generally speaking.
 
Not feeling too confident on this one. I've got a 1:39.8 so comfortably in silver, with an optimal of 138.9, so I've got a gold in me but this car is a damn handful to drive.


EDIT: OK, maybe I was a little premature on my initial analysis. Let's hope Jeddah doesn't decide to improve his time too much.



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Totally agree that MT is not the silver bullet. But gaining the ability to manipulate traction simply by pressing (additional) buttons is probably much easier to learn than proper trail breaking or just having that (innate??) ability to hit perfect apex after perfect apex.

That being said I would love for some of our resident aliens (which if course includes Jeddah Racing to some extent) do an AT challenge and report back how much slower they are.
 
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I really do need to switch to MT, if I can find a good configuration that I can remember and keep up with. Now how does trail braking tie into this, does it depend on what gear setting you use? The trick is having it on the wrong gear will affect the speed of the car meaning it will stop at a certain point of the selected gear (1-7).
 
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The whole MT/AT hinges on one thing.

Car control. You can manipulate AT to somewhat compensate. And in quite a few scenarios it's better because you don't have to do multiple shifts to turn in, apex shift and short shift.

In terms of top 100 AT will be a challenge in terms of smashing it it's more than capable.

So it's better breaking, cleaner acceleration and winding off the steering progressively that starts to matter more.
 
Wilsonson
Totally agree that MT is not the silver bullet. But gaining the ability to manipulate traction simply by pressing (additional) buttons is probably much easier to learn than proper trail breaking or just having that (innate??) ability to hit perfect apex after perfect apex.

That being said I would love for some of our resident aliens (which if course includes Jeddah Racing to some extent) do an AT challenge and report back how much slower they are.
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The problem with auto are two fold....during conrner entry, you have to anticipate the downshift so it doesn't throw off your line while diving into the corner. The sudden downshift can send the car into unwanted under or oversteer when the car is already at its traction limit. Then...during corner exit, it is almost always a gear too low. You ended up having to modulate the throttle to keep the wheel fron spinning.

I haven't done any AT run lately. But I remeber when I used to do it for fun, I was about 1/2 second to a second slower.
 
zjn
The only thing I know is that the new TT will be absolute challenge for me.
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Details to come and no, I'm afraid I'm not getting a new wheel
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I have a duty to give an explanation to those of you who did not sleep because of my previous message.
Caught up in envy of the superpowers of the forum aliens, I decided to have a device implanted to improve my performance.
This morning I went to the hospital for the surgery, but, it may be that the doctor understood that with or without the implant alien I am not and alien I will not be, it may be that I did not pay enough, in the end I came out with the removal of a tendon cyst.

So the new tt I face with automatic transmission and driving with one hand, trucker style on the highway in the middle of August.

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Wilsonson
Totally agree that MT is not the silver bullet. But gaining the ability to manipulate traction simply by pressing (additional) buttons is probably much easier to learn than proper trail breaking or just having that (innate??) ability to hit perfect apex after perfect apex.

That being said I would love for some of our resident aliens (which if course includes Jeddah Racing to some extent) do an AT challenge and report back how much slower they are.
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Had a go with the Genesis VGT on AT and got a 1:39,5 so around 1s slower than with MT.

In general it will always depend on the car and the track how big the gap between AT and MT is.

For some lap time challenges AT won't be much slower, for others you will lose a lot of time with it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Evilmuffin
The problem with auto are two fold....during conrner entry, you have to anticipate the downshift so it doesn't throw off your line while diving into the corner. The sudden downshift can send the car into unwanted under or oversteer when the car is already at its traction limit. Then...during corner exit, it is almost always a gear too low. You ended up having to modulate the throttle to keep the wheel fron spinning.

I haven't done any AT run lately. But I remeber when I used to do it for fun, I was about 1/2 second to a second slower.
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That's a speed issue mostly, if you manage the speed it's less of an issue but I do agree with it can throw you off line.

I'm a wheel manual guy, but spent a lot of time on controller, with all the assists and you can still be fast. Not top xx fast but keep up.
 
Chris30
… Now how does trail braking tie into this, does it depend on what gear setting you use? …
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Sorry for the confusion. I just tried to bring up some examples of stuff other than switching to MT that influence your performance. But yeah, as Evilmuffin says in the following quote, trail breaking is best performed as smoothly as possible. That's pretty much the essence of how it allows for later breaking if I understand it correctly. (edit: by allowing for the last bits of breaking to be done on corner entry with then only a small amount of break pressure) A sudden unanticipated downshift will screw that right up.
Evilmuffin
The problem with auto are two fold.... … Then...during corner exit, it is almost always a gear too low. You ended up having to modulate the throttle to keep the wheel fron spinning.
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This I see as a huge problem for mere mortals like me. Generating traction by short shifting at corner exit helps me tremendously. I can drive even pretty high powered cars without assists which in itself is a huge boost to lap times. With low gears my throttle control would not be good enough to gradually accelerate at the edge of traction and would spin way too often.
Ed_Night
Had a go with the Genesis VGT on AT and got a 1:39,5 so around 1s slower than with MT.

In general it will always depend on the car and the track how big the gap between AT and MT is.

For some lap time challenges AT won't be much slower, for others you will lose a lot of time with it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Thanks for testing. Totally agree with the differences across track and car combos.
 
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Ok.....laptop....remote...Genesis.....🤮🤮

What kind of idiot has thought of this..... what an absolute nightmare TT if you ask me..... sport softs on a F18 on wheels ....

Imma gold this one asap and run...... run back to my precious Civic ......

This one is all your folks 😁🤣🤣
 

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