Time Trial Discussion

[luv2drive]

So should I keep the TCS at 3-4 or should I drop it down to 0? I seem to be doing fine at 3, the VGT car doesn't slide too much except for when I'm taking a corner or turn. Wow, I still have silver at the Civic TT, I hope my time holds. i pray to God no one will improve anymore, xD. However gold is out of range for me at Maggiore.

Chris, you should keep the TCS at a point where it's comfortable for you and you can control the car the best.

The general rule of thumb is TCS reduces speed a little bit, but it's a trade off and this is no ordinary combo. Even the legends like @Tidgney are using TCS 1. Most of the guys in this thread seem to be settling at either TCS 1 or 2 for this TT.

If you're comfortable at TCS 3, you can give TCS 2 a try, run some laps and see if you make improvement. At the end of the day, it's whatever setting matches your driving style and the car the best and gets you the best lap time.

Good luck!

 

[BWX]

Part of the problem with this combo is how they hamstrung the braking and acceleration power with SS tires. It'll rotate like mad under accel and understeer equally madly under braking. Dunno what mad bastard had the idea to throw SS on it for this trial. They should be hung by their toenails and flogged with a thousand wet noodles for it. If the league I'm in ever runs this car it'll be on RS.

They got it right! Handles just like any Kia / Hyundai / Genesis I have ever driven. 😆 edit- jk, some of them are really nice cars.

 

[BWX]

Nice job!! I feel like I have a 1:38.7 in me... just need to put it together.

Thanks! It wasn't that bad if you are super careful on throttle and hit your braking and turn in points. I may have been using TC-3. I can't remember, I was switching it back and forth. Also I reduced wheel rotation to something like 500 degrees, and reduced force feedback level on the wheel. You really need a lot of lock on the chicane.

 

[Wilsonson]

Am I really one of the "younger" guys here at 36? I certainly feel old.

Not the only one, but 35 here.

My younger sister often complains about the occasional body ache, but I solved this with my other hobby. Heavy weight training. Is it a getting old pain, or just soreness? I tell myself it's the latter and when I'm retired hopefully I can just keep lying to myself!

I am happy to know that this hobby has a lot of longevity. I feel inspired by the older (than me) folks here. But also the younger ones setting World Records on a weekly basis (@EbrahimX7). Great community here

Actually with me being 32, I think I'm still in my young ages. Hope I don't start getting grey hairs when I get older, xD. I'm still going strong though in GT. Lost my skills some in a way.

32 here 😁
Giving the TT a go today, hope i can redo my miracle lap of 1:39:1xx i did during the VGT 5 lap race. Did that again today and got 1:41:xxx 🙄

38 here. I am proclaiming us Team Younglings.

I must be the youngest here at 23 years old. So much for video games being a young person thing.

Sorry pal. You and @EbrahimX7 seem to be the only members of Team Babies (Team Youth is acceptable too).

Oh. My. God. I’ve just done my finest ever lap! It’s early days at Monza but I just hope everyone else just quits trying and this holds (I’m looking at you @djolliea 👀🤣).

I’ve been lapping all day at around the 1:37.7 mark with no real improvement. Really struggling with a clean line through variante della Roggia. But all of a sudden despite missing the apex in turn one of all places I got nearly everything else right for an absolute MONSTER LAP (for me ). Also incredibly sorry @half_sourly for displacing you at the top of my friends leaderboard, you are setting some incredible times sir! •tips hat•

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Hey ma look at me world top 25 (as of 23:12 GMT 27/01/24 )! YouTube video incoming and replay saved in GT7 under #gtp #dantes

Good day everybody, this has put a biggggg smile on my face

Is it normal that the 24th best time is not within 1% of the WR time? Would this make this one of the harder TTs to gold?

 

[Chris30]

Hey, we all have our clever talents and special abilities out there on the track,

 

[zjn]

Went back to Monza, set TCS 0 and assigned the downshift to O button of my G29
Things are better, if I don't screw up with gears.

Comparing my telemetry to the @Dan_Tes lap, other the a general loss in each single meter of the track, i see him really braking before me (and opening early and better). The latter is really skill based, so there is little I can do, the first one I will try in the next session.

Also I don't understand how he, and most of you, can take Curva Grande flat. I have understeer and my racing lane not perfect doesn't allow to go through it flat

 

[PlanetJanet]

Went back to Monza, set TCS 0 and assigned the downshift to O button of my G29
Things are better, if I don't screw up with gears.

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Comparing my telemetry to the @Dan_Tes lap, other the a general loss in each single meter of the track, i see him really braking before me (and opening early and better). The latter is really skill based, so there is little I can do, the first one I will try in the next session.

Also I don't understand how he, and most of you, can take Curva Grande flat. I have understeer and my racing lane not perfect doesn't allow to go through it flat

Have to be in 6th gear to take it flat, stills requires the right line but shouldn't be too hard to manage.

 

[half_sourly]

Also I don't understand how he, and most of you, can take Curva Grande flat. I have understeer and my racing lane not perfect doesn't allow to go through it flat

Turn on the shadow that you see here. There are two tree shadows as you approach the corner, then the one you see here is the third.

 

[TheNormsk]

Also I don't understand how he, and most of you, can take Curva Grande flat. I have understeer and my racing lane not perfect doesn't allow to go through it flat

I find it can be really touchy. Sometimes I will understeer off and other times I can keep a close inside line near the curb. Getting the turn in is critical. I usually turn in while in 5th and shift up to 6th around the apex, but I also have runs where I do the entire curve in 6th. Can't determine is one or the other is faster yet as I am still outside of gold on this one.

 

[Chris30]

Went back to Monza, set TCS 0 and assigned the downshift to O button of my G29
Things are better, if I don't screw up with gears.

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Comparing my telemetry to the @Dan_Tes lap, other the a general loss in each single meter of the track, i see him really braking before me (and opening early and better). The latter is really skill based, so there is little I can do, the first one I will try in the next session.

Also I don't understand how he, and most of you, can take Curva Grande flat. I have understeer and my racing lane not perfect doesn't allow to go through it flat

Nice, I'm not too terribly far behind you, 1'41.273, you can see my replay in my showcase, rising_glass1 is my username if you're interested. I usually don't pay attention to the tree shadows. Do they indicate something?

 

[GlockPants]

This will be my final stint at LM. I went in with a goal of a 1:27.7 lap. After a maintenance day yesterday where I made no progress, it was time to buckle down and get after it. I had about time for 30 laps.

17 in and I nailed it. Surpassing my goal with a .6 lap. I'm very happy with this time. It's currently my second highest placement but feels more rewarding than the Lake Louise TT. Much higher participation and I think it's the closest I've come to the WR, too.

I created a longer replay video for anybody interested in watching. As is typical with mine, it includes the chase cam then VR. I added a race replay cam with no race info just to enjoy the scenery, livery and sound of that sweet VTEC kicking in. Brrrrrraaaappp!

 

[Chris30]

This will be my final stint at LM. I went in with a goal of a 1:27.7 lap. After a maintenance day yesterday where I made no progress, it was time to buckle down and get after it. I had about time for 30 laps.

17 in and I nailed it. Surpassing my goal with a .6 lap. I'm very happy with this time. It's currently my second highest placement but feels more rewarding than the Lake Louise TT. Much higher participation and I think it's the closest I've come to the WR, too.

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I created a longer replay video for anybody interested in watching. As is typical with mine, it includes the chase cam then VR. I added a race replay cam with no race info just to enjoy the scenery, livery and sound of that sweet VTEC kicking in. Brrrrrraaaappp!

Yeah, I may be done there too, I got lucky last weekend with my 1'31.110 time, I'm still within the silver range so I'm staying.

 

[Gomario JSP]

38 here. I am proclaiming us Team Younglings.

Sorry pal. You and @EbrahimX7 seem to be the only members of Team Babies (Team Youth is acceptable too).

Is it normal that the 24th best time is not within 1% of the WR time? Would this make this one of the harder TTs to gold?

EbrahimX7 is a whole second quicker than Dan, and it seems that the longer the track the more they seen to gain on us normals 🤣
(I did put @Dan_Tes in the abnormale category way back btw.....)
I think in this case the top 10 is just bizar, on the shorter tracks it just looks like we faster 🤣🤣

 

[luv2drive]

Went back to Monza, set TCS 0 and assigned the downshift to O button of my G29
Things are better, if I don't screw up with gears.

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Comparing my telemetry to the @Dan_Tes lap, other the a general loss in each single meter of the track, i see him really braking before me (and opening early and better). The latter is really skill based, so there is little I can do, the first one I will try in the next session.

Also I don't understand how he, and most of you, can take Curva Grande flat. I have understeer and my racing lane not perfect doesn't allow to go through it flat

That reminds, I was chasing @Tidgney 's ghost in the latter half of my session last night, and I could actually get ahead of him after the initial chicane(!), but he would always blast past me on Curva Grande. I could never figure out what I was doing wrong there. It must be just a small variance in line or accelerating at the wrong point.

Then I end up losing most of the rest of my time in Seconda Variante and Ascari. Just need to work on the timing and line on both of these.

This is why I know there's at least another 0.5 - 1 second waiting for me out there!

(BTW, I would highly recommend that you try some TCS between 1 and 3 and see if you can't improve your time. The normal rule of TC0 is fastest doesn't apply to this combo, even for the many of the aliens)

 

[TheNormsk]

I usually don't pay attention to the tree shadows. Do they indicate something?

A key to getting good times is to learn track side markers for braking points, turn-in points and where to accelerate. If you are on a track with dynamic weather then shadows don't work but in this TT where there conditions are the same each time, shadows on track can be a good reference point. Once you understand those, you'll gain consistency and your speed will inevitably improve.

 

[AshenGraey]

Unpopular opinion here but that civic at LM was a pita for me. I'm probably one of the very few here who didn't really enjoy it. After 500+ miles over 2 days, I finally clocked a 1.29.281. My optimal was a 1.28.4xx. It was quite difficult for me to be consistent. I also had soooo many invalidated laps because I kept understeering off track....anyway, moving on! 😅

I see a lot of folks massively improving at Monza. Great job everyone!! Y'all are tempting me to give it a go even though I want to pass on this one 😆

 

[Dan_Tes]

Went back to Monza, set TCS 0 and assigned the downshift to O button of my G29
Things are better, if I don't screw up with gears.

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Comparing my telemetry to the @Dan_Tes lap, other the a general loss in each single meter of the track, i see him really braking before me (and opening early and better). The latter is really skill based, so there is little I can do, the first one I will try in the next session.

Also I don't understand how he, and most of you, can take Curva Grande flat. I have understeer and my racing lane not perfect doesn't allow to go through it flat

Nice time sir! Especially if that's with TC0! Like others have said, I use various points around the track as braking and turning in points and when you get good solid ones it is quite easy to get quite consistent braking (and yet, with this car I find it very inconsistent into turn 1 but I guess it's just the huge speeds it's capable mean every 0.001s difference in time applying the brakes has a bigger effect).. Getting on the power early is pure muscle memory and takes a lot of patience to get right especially in this car where as soon as you light the rears the grip is gone and sometimes you don't ever get it back this is especially true of variante 1 where with TC0 you have to get up to 4th gear whilst getting the car completely straight, hit full throttle and then change to 5th just as the rears start losing grip.

Getting Curva Grande flat was tough and I found myself understeering off a lot at first. It's one of those trials with a very high power car on 'Sports' tyres and a lot of these cars you can 'power understeer' them which just isn't possible on a controller. As others have said, turning point is absolutely critical and I almost do a two-stage turn in at the shadow that @half_sourly mentioned, then turn the steering wheel more to induce understeer which somehow in GT7's slightly unrealistic physics allows the car to turn more (yet on 'Racing' tyres it does the opposite). This can be done in 5th changing up half way round. Took a while to figure out but relatively consistent once you nailed it a few times!


No laps for me today, I am off on a work trip early tomorrow morning so away until at least the middle of next week. Then, I am hopefully moving into my new home and so most likely very little time for Gran Turismo. Enjoy your week everybody, I'll check in when I can to see how y'all are doing. Happy lapping!!

 

[zjn]

(BTW, I would highly recommend that you try some TCS between 1 and 3 and see if you can't improve your time. The normal rule of TC0 is fastest doesn't apply to this combo, even for the many of the aliens)

Oh yes, you are right, I was experimenting today, trading TCS notches for gears, using 5 everywhere but parabolica (6).
The time came with TCS 0, but once I better the braking point, and therefore can open earlier a +1 will probably help

 

[MidnightRun85]

38 here. I am proclaiming us Team Younglings.

Sorry pal. You and @EbrahimX7 seem to be the only members of Team Babies (Team Youth is acceptable too).

Is it normal that the 24th best time is not within 1% of the WR time? Would this make this one of the harder TTs to gold?

I'm 38 too. Does that put me into "Team Younglings"?

 

[330_D]

This will be my final stint at LM. I went in with a goal of a 1:27.7 lap. After a maintenance day yesterday where I made no progress, it was time to buckle down and get after it. I had about time for 30 laps.

17 in and I nailed it. Surpassing my goal with a .6 lap. I'm very happy with this time. It's currently my second highest placement but feels more rewarding than the Lake Louise TT. Much higher participation and I think it's the closest I've come to the WR, too.

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I created a longer replay video for anybody interested in watching. As is typical with mine, it includes the chase cam then VR. I added a race replay cam with no race info just to enjoy the scenery, livery and sound of that sweet VTEC kicking in. Brrrrrraaaappp!

Lake Louise was my highest ever before this one as well. I think we drive very very similarly many times!

 

[BWX]

I'm 38 too. Does that put me into "Team Younglings"?

There's a great quote: "Forty is the old age of youth; fifty the youth of old age" -Victor Hugo
It's so true.

 

[P-Courty]

Yesterday I was originally planning to spend some weekend time on the TTs, those plans were ruined midweek when the wifes Land Rover had an issue which I was lucky enough to be volunteered to fix 😂 plus our fence fell down in the storms we had so was a busy weekend.

But yesterday I managed to jump on for an hour in the morning to do race C in the GT86 which was horrendous and full of people beeping and bumping, managed 4th from starting 12th.

Then made a livery for the bugged Genesis ready for the TT, at that point I didn't know about the bug 😒 so didn't bother on the TT and went out to fix the Land Rover.

Got back online in the afternoon for another hour or so, so I hit the Civic TT without a livery as didn't have time to make one.

Think it was around 20 laps I was into gold but not safe enough so a few more laps I improved, hopefully safe as won't have time to run it again.

Cinematic Cam

And the livery I just could not unsee in my head so had to try it... Thunderbirds are go 😂

 

[jigman5]

66 years old here put in an hour every day to keep my reflexive sharp after six or seven hours of work as a carpenter, five days a week.

 

[GlockPants]

Lake Louise was my highest ever before this one as well. I think we drive very very similarly many times!

We've been very close recently. Maybe soon the Mother Ship will come for us!

 

[djolliea]

Just came here to say how much I dislike driving the Genesis VGT. The fact that you need to exit corners in 5th gear and brake a quarter kilometer in advance just makes it not enjoyable to me at all. It doesn't really even matter at which RPM you upshift because the car has so much power throughout half of the RPM range.

My goal is a 1:36, and I won't rest until I get it.

 

[TumeK5]

Just came here to say how much I dislike driving the Genesis VGT. The fact that you need to exit corners in 5th gear and brake a quarter kilometer in advance

Welp, so much for looking forward to testing the car then

Must wait for the "bare wrist" car...

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Can’t keep up with the pace of this thread, so just posting here to say @Dan_Tes and @GlockPants 🔥 👍

 

[Chris30]

Can’t keep up with the pace of this thread, so just posting here to say @Dan_Tes and @GlockPants 🔥 👍

Wow this forum has almost 600 pages, have you noticed that?

 

[Chris30]

Just came here to say how much I dislike driving the Genesis VGT. The fact that you need to exit corners in 5th gear and brake a quarter kilometer in advance just makes it not enjoyable to me at all. It doesn't really even matter at which RPM you upshift because the car has so much power throughout half of the RPM range.

My goal is a 1:36, and I won't rest until I get it.

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Yeah, I probably will not rest until I get under 1'40.000 here at Monza. It's a fight to the top!!

 

[ScottPuss20]

Nice time sir! Especially if that's with TC0! Like others have said, I use various points around the track as braking and turning in points and when you get good solid ones it is quite easy to get quite consistent braking (and yet, with this car I find it very inconsistent into turn 1 but I guess it's just the huge speeds it's capable mean every 0.001s difference in time applying the brakes has a bigger effect).. Getting on the power early is pure muscle memory and takes a lot of patience to get right especially in this car where as soon as you light the rears the grip is gone and sometimes you don't ever get it back this is especially true of variante 1 where with TC0 you have to get up to 4th gear whilst getting the car completely straight, hit full throttle and then change to 5th just as the rears start losing grip.

Getting Curva Grande flat was tough and I found myself understeering off a lot at first. It's one of those trials with a very high power car on 'Sports' tyres and a lot of these cars you can 'power understeer' them which just isn't possible on a controller. As others have said, turning point is absolutely critical and I almost do a two-stage turn in at the shadow that @half_sourly mentioned, then turn the steering wheel more to induce understeer which somehow in GT7's slightly unrealistic physics allows the car to turn more (yet on 'Racing' tyres it does the opposite). This can be done in 5th changing up half way round. Took a while to figure out but relatively consistent once you nailed it a few times!


No laps for me today, I am off on a work trip early tomorrow morning so away until at least the middle of next week. Then, I am hopefully moving into my new home and so most likely very little time for Gran Turismo. Enjoy your week everybody, I'll check in when I can to see how y'all are doing. Happy lapping!!

I did my time without traction control.