Time Trial Discussion

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I know how I did this - with my old dirty DS4: I was just having fun, enjoying my lap behind V. Gallo's ghost. No intention to improve, no sweaty hands, no tense muscles, not constantly checking my time - just had a look in the final straight: WHAAAT?!!! :P

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Hello friends!! I had a sort of weekend off even though I was at home; with friends staying a lot of laps were done in the sim but very few by me. Was a real treat to see other people enjoying it though! One thing that did happen is unfortunately I had a few Fuji laps (to show off lol) and accidentally left countersteer strong on; five or six laps later I was setting new personal bests despite one too many glasses of Malbec..! I just assumed I was a driving god and couldn’t stop getting faster and left it at that.

Anywayssss sadly for me it got my mind ticking so I’ve ended up setting a few laps with steery cheat mode on and alas it has made me faster! Not just faster but consistent too, I ended up banging out consistent laps near my PB. There’s something about it that makes countersteering feel a lot more natural than with it off when you get oversteering RWD cars; I have a theory that it’s to do with the physics of the controller and trying to accommodate oversteer corrections on a controller. Always feels like a bigger correction on the wheel than is necessary and yet on a controller I just slam the stick the opposite way and conduct a perfect slide; I’d be interested to know what people who spend more time than me going sideways in the real world think! I do spend a lot of time going sideways though lol 😇😅

Anyways irrespective of my thoughts; I know I’m a fraud.. just turns out a fast fraud! 😂😂 Think I’ve bagged myself another 👽 time and now on back to Suzuka and wrestle the beast as I won’t have any time to commit to this trial beyond Friday 😊

Happy lapping everyone!!


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Hello friends!! I had a sort of weekend off even though I was at home; with friends staying a lot of laps were done in the sim but very few by me. Was a real treat to see other people enjoying it though! One thing that did happen is unfortunately I had a few Fuji laps (to show off lol) and accidentally left countersteer strong on; five or six laps later I was setting new personal bests despite one too many glasses of Malbec..! I just assumed I was a driving god and couldn’t stop getting faster and left it at that.

Anywayssss sadly for me it got my mind ticking so I’ve ended up setting a few laps with steery cheat mode on and alas it has made me faster! Not just faster but consistent too, I ended up banging out consistent laps near my PB. There’s something about it that makes countersteering feel a lot more natural than with it off when you get oversteering RWD cars; I have a theory that it’s to do with the physics of the controller and trying to accommodate oversteer corrections on a controller. Always feels like a bigger correction on the wheel than is necessary and yet on a controller I just slam the stick the opposite way and conduct a perfect slide; I’d be interested to know what people who spend more time than me going sideways in the real world think! I do spend a lot of time going sideways though lol 😇😅

Anyways irrespective of my thoughts; I know I’m a fraud.. just turns out a fast fraud! 😂😂 Think I’ve bagged myself another 👽 time and now on back to Suzuka and wrestle the beast as I won’t have any time to commit to this trial beyond Friday 😊

Happy lapping everyone!!
I would die for a perfect Suzuka Mclaren slide mate on the pad :lol::lol::lol:

Epic times lately mate, your on fire!! 👽:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
 
I would die for a perfect Suzuka Mclaren slide mate on the pad :lol::lol::lol:

Epic times lately mate, your on fire!! 👽:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
🤣🤣 I mean that monster just can’t be tamed, even steery cheat mode does nothing to satiate that car’s thirst for yeeting into other dimensions 😂

Cheers mate just a few trials that suit me and the wheel that’s all can’t have you and @Evilmuffin thinking you are the only ones who are capable of an outrageously fast time without arriving on this earth in a flying saucer 🤪😜
 
🤣🤣 I mean that monster just can’t be tamed, even steery cheat mode does nothing to satiate that car’s thirst for yeeting into other dimensions 😂

Cheers mate just a few trials that suit me and the wheel that’s all can’t have you and @Evilmuffin thinking you are the only ones who are capable of an outrageously fast time without arriving on this earth in a flying saucer 🤪😜
:lol: :lol:, i hate it.... pure hate...maby i'm getting to old for those fast sweeping things haha

you are faster than the muffin and myself combined lately, no way of catching you anymore....
I remember the good old days, where i still had a part in my brain that thought i could get near you... :lol::lol:

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I remember hunting a croccodillian BRZ or something :lol::lol:
( didn't made it tho.... i still remember that too :grumpy::mischievous::lol::lol::lol::lol:)

Only love mate :)❤️ :lol:
 
There’s something about it that makes countersteering feel a lot more natural than with it off when you get oversteering RWD cars; I have a theory that it’s to do with the physics of the controller and trying to accommodate oversteer corrections on a controller. Always feels like a bigger correction on the wheel than is necessary and yet on a controller I just slam the stick the opposite way and conduct a perfect slide; I’d be interested to know what people who spend more time than me going sideways in the real world think! I do spend a lot of time going sideways though lol 😇😅
That's an interesting take, and I find it plausible as well. Not pretending that I can relate it to real-world experience, but CSA often feels more natural to me as well. But most importantly, your theory makes me feel better about using it because it would essentially mean CSA on a wheel adds realism, not takes away from it :D
Anyways irrespective of my thoughts; I know I’m a fraud.. just turns out a fast fraud!
Fraud schmaud, fast is fast 😂
 
🤣🤣 I mean that monster just can’t be tamed, even steery cheat mode does nothing to satiate that car’s thirst for yeeting into other dimensions 😂

Cheers mate just a few trials that suit me and the wheel that’s all can’t have you and @Evilmuffin thinking you are the only ones who are capable of an outrageously fast time without arriving on this earth in a flying saucer 🤪😜
Errgh...you had been faster than me in just able every single TT. My flying saucer must've been a Yugo :odd:

As for the Suzuka TT, I can't seem to bring myself hype enough to try lowering the time 🫠
 
I have a theory that it’s to do with the physics of the controller and trying to accommodate oversteer corrections on a controller. Always feels like a bigger correction on the wheel than is necessary and yet on a controller I just slam the stick the opposite way and conduct a perfect slide; I’d be interested to know what people who spend more time than me going sideways in the real world think! I do spend a lot of time going sideways though lol 😇😅
This is an interesting take. I never had FR Cars, so don't know exactly how the feeling on the wheel should be on a real one.
I'm speaking here about how it's perceived, not what it happens. I feel that the CSA I have is more microadjustments before things get worst than bigger adjustement when things are already worst. This kind of keep me in my confort zone, but I think it's far from a real feedback (which, again, I never experimented).
Since you are for sure more on the limit than me, maybe it feels different.
Anywayssss sadly for me it got my mind ticking so I’ve ended up setting a few laps with steery cheat mode on and alas it has made me faster! Not just faster but consistent too, I ended up banging out consistent laps near my PB.
You did a great lap, no matter what assist you had!
I would like to be able to do your times even with all the aids on, but since I am a crap, it will never happen.

Sure unless I buy the super-luxury version of GT7, the one of allows you to turn on KR assist.
I've only heard about it, but it seems that activating this assist will have Kimi Raikkonen show up at your house and drive for you. Guaranteed gold!
Except it costs too much, not the software version itself, but the expense in alcohol that Kimi makes you incur in a 10-minute session. So I have to live with my silvers and bronzes achived occasionally with regular assist
 
There’s something about it that makes countersteering feel a lot more natural than with it off when you get oversteering RWD cars; I have a theory that it’s to do with the physics of the controller and trying to accommodate oversteer corrections on a controller. Always feels like a bigger correction on the wheel than is necessary and yet on a controller I just slam the stick the opposite way and conduct a perfect slide; I’d be interested to know what people who spend more time than me going sideways in the real world think! I do spend a lot of time going sideways though lol 😇😅
I think the counter steering on, on the controller, feels more natural for you to catch the slide as you don't have any force feedback feeling to tell you how far to adjust your angle.

Personally on the controller with motion steering, for drifting I have counter steering off but for twitchy cars in TTs I have it on weak because the slip angle is just way too small or not even there, you either have grip or you don't and you struggle to come back from it.

Going drifting in a real car compared to my G29 on full force feedback, with countersteering off, feels very natural (except for the G-forces) but the only difference being the wheel speed rotation of the G29 is slower as if you were drifting a real car with a harder compound tire but this is only for drifting, when it comes to slip angle in a twitchy car at a TT again I don't feel that it's enough to be naturally saving the slide from the inevitable meeting with Barry R.

Also back on topic I hate the Mclaren and 130R due to this reason 🤣 currently in silver on controller, think this is going to be a G29 TT.
 
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Ok guys, you're all scaring me with this Suzuka talk.

I started taking TTs seriously a long time ago. I have a streak of like 25-30 golds in a row, and am worried about even getting into this one!

Early on I would attempt some TTs and either didn't have time for them, or didn't care for them, so I've got a few silvers and bronzes on my record just from entering and not putting in the time. I don't do that no mo.

With the Mclaren at Suzuka gold is a necessity for my personal goals... but these time splits are crazy... basically having to be top 1000 just to get there. The barrier to entry here is steeeep.

I plan on putting in some work on Tuesday night, but man, I'm already dreading it.
 
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I started taking TTs seriously a long time ago. I have a streak of like 25-30 golds in a row, and am worried about even getting into this one!
This is really not to call you out, just to verify that my scripts are accurate: didn't you have a silver in TT 66 (Mercedes 190E at Dragon Trail)?

Edit: apologies, was indeed a problem with the data I scraped for that event.
I plan on putting in some work on Tuesday night, but man, I'm already dreading it.
Don't worry. I was the same, but if you put some time in, it's not all that bad. You got this :)
 
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Putting a shift in today! Just to make @250Cal feel even worse (sowwwyyy 😇😂), I’ve just got back in the terrifying Macca at Suzuka.. it takes me a lot of laps to get used to it’s precious nature but just like the Lambo VGT of a few months ago, there is some joy to be had if you can figure out its quirks! The quick 5th shift through 130R feels pretty consistent in fact it was probably the only corner I didn’t lose control at…

Big strides made and I feel like there’s more to come, I’d like to think a 1:37.xxx is possible but I’m not overrllyyyy hopeful.. no steery cheat mode here this is all me at least! ‘Tube video uploading…

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:lol: :lol:, i hate it.... pure hate...maby i'm getting to old for those fast sweeping things haha

you are faster than the muffin and myself combined lately, no way of catching you anymore....
I remember the good old days, where i still had a part in my brain that thought i could get near you... :lol::lol:

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I remember hunting a croccodillian BRZ or something :lol::lol:
( didn't made it tho.... i still remember that too :grumpy::mischievous::lol::lol::lol::lol:)

Only love mate :)❤️ :lol:

That's an interesting take, and I find it plausible as well. Not pretending that I can relate it to real-world experience, but CSA often feels more natural to me as well. But most importantly, your theory makes me feel better about using it because it would essentially mean CSA on a wheel adds realism, not takes away from it :D

Fraud schmaud, fast is fast 😂

Errgh...you had been faster than me in just able every single TT. My flying saucer must've been a Yugo :odd:

As for the Suzuka TT, I can't seem to bring myself hype enough to try lowering the time 🫠

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This is an interesting take. I never had FR Cars, so don't know exactly how the feeling on the wheel should be on a real one.
I'm speaking here about how it's perceived, not what it happens. I feel that the CSA I have is more microadjustments before things get worst than bigger adjustement when things are already worst. This kind of keep me in my confort zone, but I think it's far from a real feedback (which, again, I never experimented).
Since you are for sure more on the limit than me, maybe it feels different.

You did a great lap, no matter what assist you had!
I would like to be able to do your times even with all the aids on, but since I am a crap, it will never happen.

Sure unless I buy the super-luxury version of GT7, the one of allows you to turn on KR assist.
I've only heard about it, but it seems that activating this assist will have Kimi Raikkonen show up at your house and drive for you. Guaranteed gold!
Except it costs too much, not the software version itself, but the expense in alcohol that Kimi makes you incur in a 10-minute session. So I have to live with my silvers and bronzes achived occasionally with regular assist

I think the counter steering on, on the controller, feels more natural for you to catch the slide as you don't have any force feedback feeling to tell you how far to adjust your angle.

Personally on the controller with motion steering, for drifting I have counter steering off but for twitchy cars in TTs I have it on weak because the slip angle is just way too small or not even there, you either have grip or you don't and you struggle to come back from it.

Going drifting in a real car compared to my G29 on full force feedback, with countersteering off, feels very natural (except for the G-forces) but the only difference being the wheel speed rotation of the G29 is slower as if you were drifting a real car with a harder compound tire but this is only for drifting, when it comes to slip angle in a twitchy car at a TT again I don't feel that it's enough to be naturally saving the slide from the inevitable meeting with Barry R.

Also back on topic I hate the Mclaren and 130R due to this reason 🤣 currently in silver on controller, think this is going to be a G29 TT.
Thanks for your inputs chaps! It’s my feeling too, CSA strong basically smooths out the corrective action on the wheel and I’d imagine reality is somewhere in between the two.

Aaaaand I’m really sorry Muffster, I’d like to think this was the beginning of your evil origin story.. I’m pretty sure you set an outrageous time at Le Man a few weeks back? I put huge miles in on that trial and didn’t get close 👀

@Gomario JSP that Dan_Tes sass livery will never not make me laugh, love you mate 😘😂
 
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@Dan_Tes No hate from here, mate. I just can't change direction anywhere near as quickly as the quick times. And then I'm just battling understeer, watching ghosts disappear into the distance.

Even with controller sensitivity on 10 it's the good old steering hysteresis, I'm two seconds down by the time I get to the hairpin. And I lose at least half a second muddling through the chicane.

I've only failed to get golds on a few TTs; one of them was the MP4 at Suzuka, funnily enough.
 
Fuji, I’m leaving you because I don’t love you. It was never meant to last. I will happily take my 1:33.711, which seems impossible to improve, and run. You can keep the kids and the house.

Now on to something else to restore my bruised confidence. Hmm… Suzuka with a spaceship? What can possibly go wrong?
 
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Fuji, day 2.
Already reached my target.
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What now?
The stubborn me still didn't watch the lap guides. Maybe some groundbreaking tips there aside from gear upshifts and downshifts?
The optimal is 32.5 and ofcourse I know most of the corners I might be able to do slightly better, but in one lap that is fantasy domain.

I'll give it one more shot at least, for me it's either bouncing off the wall or storm right through it.
 
Fuji, I’m leaving you because I don’t love you. It was never meant to last. I will happily take my 1:33.711, which seems impossible to improve, and run. You can keep the kids and the house.

Now on to something else to restore my bruised confidence. Hmm… Suzuka with a spaceship? What can possibly go wrong?

I know what you mean brother. 😂

I got stuck at 33:525...

I'm looking forward to the new TT and to get rid of Fuji once for all.
 
These type of race cars are always tough for me because it’s tough to see out using cockpit view, but when you nail your lap it’s so rewarding! I can see why everyone was so excited for this machine, it was fun to drive it sounds great, and I love the cockpit!

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A 1:21.490 accumulative across the first 3 sectors was by far my personal best, but naturally I gave it all away in the last sector. I think I should give this time trial a rest before I lose too much sleep, because cats can't skimp out on their sleepy time.
 

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