Time Trial Discussion

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TumeK5
It's not a question of physics here, but track limits.

While grass is obviously the inferior type of surface, driving on it doesn't mean you automatically spin or die. If they had just put stricter track limits, people wouldn't do this.

Physics would still allow this though, and the top tier people do whatever it takes to be fast, within the rules.
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For track limits you are right.
But did you replicate it in online mode no wind and gripreduction real?
This is not possible because of dirty tires :)
 
RacinLei
This is not possible because of dirty tires :)
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I don't have to test anything. Time trial is all about optimizing lap performance, meaning no tire wear, and as you said, no wind.

All factors for racing are thrown out of the window.

You are right about tire dirt though. I don't think GT7 has it, but that's a game limitation. Again, this wouldn't matter with proper track limits, forced because of their lacking physics.
 
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TumeK5
I don't have to test anything. Time trial is all about optimizing lap performance, meaning no tire wear, and as you said, no wind.

All factors for racing are thrown out of the window.
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I know that YOU have to do nothing…
Its only an example how it should be done.
But if pd would do there job correct, this stuff wouldnt happen. And btw all my timetrial times i did in singleplayer are done with real gripreduction and in Kobayashi style, Always on track. And all my open lobby are set to real and not in Kindergarden mode.
And even this timetrial event. Im not touching a single peace of grass.

And yes GT hase the settings and the effect if turned on.
 
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RacinLei
And even this timetrial event. Im not touching a single peace of grass.
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I'm not touching that much grass either, staying away from the crazy grass cutting the top runners do.

Mainly just hitting it on T5 entry, and the last chicane. I'd also wanna add that going off track while keeping the other side tires on the kerb is still hard to pull off. If it was free, everyone would be doing it.
 
When I watch the replays of the top times whipping the car around on the grass, I can’t help but wonder if these runs are just super lucky outcomes of curb roulette on every core we entry or if the drivers are intentionally skimming the grass with exactly as much of the car as is required to get the angles correct.

I know that these are the most skilled drivers in the world and my best time is 1:000:991 so I don’t have a lot of room to talk, and I’m probably wrong, but I swear sometimes the physics of how your car reacts to touching the curb is just pure RNG.
 
@pnutbutrsang

For me there are diffrent type of skilllevel. The ones who squeez all out of the game engine.
And the ones who squeeze the car the track and themself within real limits.

Im pretty sure that these toprunners never hit these times 10x in a row.
Like you said, it is more or less a gamble
 
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@NAXEHT
Because more rewarding if done with real settings. But the point here is, that controller user cant replicate wheel stuff like they did. Controller is limited to some degree.
And if the settings set to real and correct tracklimits, wheel user couldnt do it too.
 
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RacinLei
@NAXEHT
Because more rewarding if done with real settings. But the point here is, that controller user cant replicate wheel stuff like they did. Controller is limited to some degree.
And if the settings set to real and correct tracklimits, wheel user couldnt do it too.
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TumeK5
It was never a question of safety, but more ethics and common logic.
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I’m referring to this quote by @RacinLei:
Im pretty sure that these toprunners never hit these times 10x in a row.
Like you said, it is more or less a gamble
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I’m also sure they can’t do that, nor can I but I don’t see the problem with it since this is a time trial. Doing 20 pretty good laps in a row serves little to no purpose. 1 perfect and 19 total failures is better and that’s more to the point of a time trial.
 
@NAXEHT

Like i say, if the settings were correct all have to do it in a more limited space and it wasnt a gamble and more people were able to achive gold.
I like timetrials but not in this way, specialy if it cant be replicated with controller due to its limitation.
 
TumeK5
You are right about tire dirt though. I don't think GT7 has it, but that's a game limitation. Again, this wouldn't matter with proper track limits, forced because of their lacking physics.
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? Of course there are dirty tyres in game with less grip. It was already in gt sport. Tough its not that its perfectly simulated with deep complexity.
 
pnutbutrsang
When I watch the replays of the top times whipping the car around on the grass, I can’t help but wonder if these runs are just super lucky outcomes of curb roulette on every core we entry or if the drivers are intentionally skimming the grass with exactly as much of the car as is required to get the angles correct.
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It's a mixture of both.

But, it's definitely kerb roulette most of the time. They know they have to take the corner in a certain way, but they also have to be lucky that the car doesn't get upset. So if they are lucky and the car behaves in the "best way", they get a faster... much faster laptime.

There have been instances of top-tier aliens doing livestreams attempting these crazy times, and believe me... The amount of retries they do is... ASTRONOMICAL. Some of these guys can put over 2.000km... IN A SINGLE SESSION. Just to get those extra miliseconds.

While they do make it look "easy", the time they waste here is in probably the double digit hours. And needless to say, they aren't going to be doing CONSISTENT sub 0:59 second laps either.
 
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NAXEHT
1,2 behind BRacer and MARKUS*. Yeah, that comes as no surprise given their skill level, despite peripheral.
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Considering also that this track is 1 minute long for the Red Bull X2019, yeah, 1.2 second difference is gigantic. And truth be told, your time is probably among the best controller times. Which highlights the difference in peripherals all the more.
 
Grimm6Jack
Considering also that this track is 1 minute long for the Red Bull X2019, yeah, 1.2 second difference is gigantic. And truth be told, your time is probably among the best controller times. Which highlights the difference in peripherals all the more.
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Sure, that’s true!
 
Grimm6Jack
Considering also that this track is 1 minute long for the Red Bull X2019, yeah, 1.2 second difference is gigantic. And truth be told, your time is probably among the best controller times. Which highlights the difference in peripherals all the more.
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Highlights nothing, world tour drivers are on another level and they go hardcore mode for this one (Gallo made around 3k kilometers last 3 days). Bring Daniel Solis, force him to spend 3-5k kilometers on this tt and see results, and maybe indeed then we would see diff in perioherals if he wouldnt be able to go to 58.x
 
Grimm6Jack
It's a mixture of both.

But, it's definitely kerb roulette most of the time. They know they have to take the corner in a certain way, but they also have to be lucky that the car doesn't get upset. So if they are lucky and the car behaves in the "best way", they get a faster... much faster laptime.

There have been instances of top-tier aliens doing livestreams attempting these crazy times, and believe me... The amount of retries they do is... ASTRONOMICAL. Some of these guys can put over 2.000km... IN A SINGLE SESSION. Just to get those extra miliseconds.

While they do make it look "easy", the time they waste here is in probably the double digit hours. And needless to say, they aren't going to be doing CONSISTENT sub 0:59 second laps either.
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Yeah that tracks exactly what I was thinking about it, and I know exactly what they’re going through with the thousands of retries lol. I’m only just trying to beat my 1.000.991 and it’s been impossible for me to crack so far.

The other thing I don’t get in these replays is how they can brake so so so so late and still keep the car on the track. I try these braking points and the car just completely loses any semblance of downforce or grip. There’s gotta be some nuanced way they are controlling the car at those high speeds, but I can’t figure it out for my life.
 
***** YEAH!!!!

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Funny thing about this? I did it at exactly 00:00 lol.


Surely these guys aren't going to improve it even further are they now not to such an extent that the gold drops from .222 to .159?
Did just 60km today. I tried to mess up with the controller sensivity, and while the car does look sluggish while turning, it really does the job at helping you keeping it under control. I used it at +8. +7 or low is just too slow, and +10 seems to be too fast in the grassy sector 1 to keep the car under control.
Thanks for the tip @RacinLei .
 

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