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I dunno. I would only think a 59.xx would be safe. Whats worse, your hands bleeding, or your heart when you get Silver?
Time Trial Discussion
- Thread starter seadog777
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The top time would have to drop by over 2 tenths to drop gold below 1 minute. Not happening. I'd say anything sub 1:00.200 is pretty safe. no way it's going sub 1:00.150
* - My time may or may not be in the 1:00.000 - 1:00.150 range.
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He can drive 10k kilometers if he wants but is still going to have the controller holding him back. It doesn't matter how good you are, if one input device only gives half of the steering lock of the other it's going to be slower and that's pretty clear from looking at the replays of the top wheel players.
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Bs as not world tour drivers here made briliant times like 59.6s
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Are you saying the telemetry is lying about steering inputs? If you watch a wheel lap and a controller lap you can see how the car reacts instantly with the one and the input smoothing on the other means everything is more gradual and can never reach the same steering angle.
A 59.6 is a great time (I have huge respect for those who have gone so quick on a controller, I only got to a 59.9) but let's put it in perspective since it's such a short lap, that is 2% slower than the fastest wheel time, for comparison Latifi's Williams qualified last at the most recent GP only 1.5% slower than Verstappen, it's a huge gap mostly caused by how the game treats different hardware.
I'm nowhere near a alien 😂, just a average low A+.
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Are the top 10 guys faster because they are using a wheel, or are they faster because they're basically the Messi of GT?
Give Gallo a pad and get a true comparison time.
Yes, I know the wheel is faster - the fact there is even a discussion about the pad being competitive shows what a good job PD have done with it, compared to a lot of other racers.
Give Gallo a pad and get a true comparison time.
Yes, I know the wheel is faster - the fact there is even a discussion about the pad being competitive shows what a good job PD have done with it, compared to a lot of other racers.
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We are circle here with same arguments. As good as Naxeht is he is not Gallo level (also not sure he spend same amount of time on this tt) and btw beat Kie25 driver (which in last nations quali was like 25th in Europe) which is on dd pro
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The laptimes aren't really my main point though, what the replay shows with the steering inputs is, even if @NAXEHT is Gallo level it looks as though that time is impossible to do with a controller, in fact I'm pretty sure he is close to the optimum lap that the controller will allow.We are circle here with same arguments. As good as Naxeht is he is not Gallo level (also not sure he spend same amount of time on this tt) and btw beat Kie25 driver (which in last nations quali was like 25th in Europe) which is on dd pro
Kie probably isn't the best benchmark you can use since he's open about not trying too hard for a good time:
To me it felt like there was better parity on the old game than this one, even with the sensitivity going up to 10 instead of just 7.
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If you consider that there's basically 6 or 7 corners that aren't flat out, that's basically 2 tenths per corner that NAXEHT is off the top times and I'm pretty sure they're quicker than that under normal circumstances
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Kie also said he checked pad and redbull has more grip on pad. I understand there are differences but imo world tour level driver going hard on pad like Daniel Solis and we would see 58.x or very close, so not sure there is any point in discussion here where there is 3% gap (or maybe somebody would like to win tt on dualsense then I understand this concern).
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What laptime did he get on the pad?
I'm not sure how that is possible when the car physically can't turn as sharply in some of the corners, does he use the motion controls or the analogue sticks, I'm wondering if the motion is unrestricted like the wheels 🤔, until he does a lap it's all hypothetical what kind of time he could do.
Because some people are struggling to get within that 3% and are watching leaderboard replays which are telling them to do things which are physically impossible to replicate. This doesn't only affect this time trial either, I've wondered how cars can change directions so fast on some corners (the chicane at Fuji which is essentially a double hairpin is the worst I've seen), the RB at Road Atlanta has answered a few questions I had.
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- PRiMA_Lamb
I don't have to touch the time trial to confidently be able to say that pad is undeniably worse. Fast, high downforce cars are horrific on pad, Gr.1 is unplayable to a competitive degree (and I think Gr.2 might be as well), there's even noticeable impact in Gr.3, and while I haven't driven the X2019 on this game, I know that there would be rotation issues on the high speed corners.
I don't know to what extent pad would be slower by, but it is objectively worse in pretty much all circumstances when you're talking about raw lap time (and in this game it's horrific for tyre wear as well). GT7 is a lot worse than GT Sport in this regard, it's so bad at this point that I personally don't even enjoy playing the game on pad anymore.
(editing to mention if you use motion steering then the rotation problem doesn't exist -- but if you can drive motion steering proficiently, you're the true alien. Idk how you're supposed to steer with no anchor point)
I don't know to what extent pad would be slower by, but it is objectively worse in pretty much all circumstances when you're talking about raw lap time (and in this game it's horrific for tyre wear as well). GT7 is a lot worse than GT Sport in this regard, it's so bad at this point that I personally don't even enjoy playing the game on pad anymore.
(editing to mention if you use motion steering then the rotation problem doesn't exist -- but if you can drive motion steering proficiently, you're the true alien. Idk how you're supposed to steer with no anchor point)
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Not sure he did as he dont play on pad for years (just brefly checked when was creating guide). And as I said, not world tour drivers can be below 2% on pad, its hardest tt so far, some drivers just have to accept that there is something like "skill issue" not only peripheral issue and move on ;d Prety sure next tt will be little easier.
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Would also like to note that the X2019 is a hoot and a half to drive for all the wrong reasons, and Road Atlanta appears to be a pretty abusable track. If there's any time trial where there would be a noticeable gap between the absolute top players and the good players, it would be this one. Using a pad for this would just be a handicap on top of a skill issue 
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Had some time yesterday and drove some 500kms... Got my time to 59.713, Im happy with that 
For me, this has been really fun TT, I liked the willow suzuki aswell.
For the pad vs wheel, have PD changed something in pad steering? In GTS, there were not so huge difference??
I know that there is some artificial driving aids built in the pad, but thats because the wheel is so much more precise.
I have tested the pad before, it will give car more grip and better stability.
It used to be that the pad was faster on high down force cars? Or at least I remember someone saying so??
Anyway, have had fun with this one. Maybe some rally next?
For me, this has been really fun TT, I liked the willow suzuki aswell.
For the pad vs wheel, have PD changed something in pad steering? In GTS, there were not so huge difference??
I know that there is some artificial driving aids built in the pad, but thats because the wheel is so much more precise.
I have tested the pad before, it will give car more grip and better stability.
It used to be that the pad was faster on high down force cars? Or at least I remember someone saying so??
Anyway, have had fun with this one. Maybe some rally next?
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Just to comment on motion sensor steering, in theory it would be correct, if only PD implemented steering correctly, but steering gets twitchy and wobbly in hight speed corners in high speed cars, i posted a video showing what's happening, scroll back of you want to see it, or just try yourself to drive one lap using cockpit view and it will be clear that it doesn't work fully correctly.
seadog777
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Just to clarify..... 1:08.xxx was my best! Not my first laps...... 🤣Come on guys, you can do it (my first laps were around 1:08 as well)
I whacked up the TC a bit, resisted the urge to lift at turn 1 and finally managed a 1:03 for bronze.
Took many resets though, could not find a consistent line through sector 1 so that lap had a lot of luck.
EDIT - well done for getting bronze, it's not an easy TT this time!
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Grimm6Jack
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Yes, but world tour drivers are mostly based on Wheel usage mate. If they drive 10.000kms with a controller, say, Gallo for example who's pretty much top of the crop, he could drive forever and he would never get a 58.5 on a controller, it's simply not possible. Even a Sub 59 time is already reaching it.
Try and use the Red Bull X2019 or the X2014 or the Super Formula SF19 cars and turn right, left, right, left, zig-zagging pretty much, and you will notice the difference between wheel and controler. It's noticeable...
It gets worse... It's not just about being a short track, the only REAL corners where time is lost are basically T3, T5, the U turn (the 2nd corner of it, which is slowest corner in the track) and the Chicane. Only 4/5 corners to gain/lose time and yet there's a 2% difference... It's massive.
Would also like to note that the X2019 is a hoot and a half to drive for all the wrong reasons, and Road Atlanta appears to be a pretty abusable track. If there's any time trial where there would be a noticeable gap between the absolute top players and the good players, it would be this one. Using a pad for this would just be a handicap on top of a skill issue
Yeah, this one track really shows the gap, but the worst combination would probably be the Nurburgring Nordschleife with a Gr.1 car or above ...
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Steering angle (and the rate of change) when using the controller is obviously the output of some sort of algorithm, but it's not really well understood.
Would be great if someone with the time and skills could quantify the steering angle change on controller (for different sensitivity settings, and at different driving speeds) and possibly compare it to a wheel (is it really 1:1? In that case are smaller wheels with less force required to move them faster as well?)
Is steering angle something that can be recorded through some of the telemetry apps that now exist? If so it should be fairly straightforward if someone has that up and running. Otherwise it'll be a lot more work and might have to record video and go through it and compare.
Seems like getting controller and wheel perfectly equal is hard, if not impossible. But seems like there is room for improvement for PD. And if you combine that with better track limits or punishment for driving off track (i.e. dirty tires, whether it's realistic or not) then you can probably get close since race tracks are generally designed to allow for human level of driving where insane steering angle changes aren't needed
Would be great if someone with the time and skills could quantify the steering angle change on controller (for different sensitivity settings, and at different driving speeds) and possibly compare it to a wheel (is it really 1:1? In that case are smaller wheels with less force required to move them faster as well?)
Is steering angle something that can be recorded through some of the telemetry apps that now exist? If so it should be fairly straightforward if someone has that up and running. Otherwise it'll be a lot more work and might have to record video and go through it and compare.
Seems like getting controller and wheel perfectly equal is hard, if not impossible. But seems like there is room for improvement for PD. And if you combine that with better track limits or punishment for driving off track (i.e. dirty tires, whether it's realistic or not) then you can probably get close since race tracks are generally designed to allow for human level of driving where insane steering angle changes aren't needed
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I surprised myself, usually I'm useless at anything above Gr.2 speed.
Looking back at the replay, many many corners were cut (not intentionally, I was way out of control) but all's fair in love and GT7 TTs.
Hopefully we get a nice slow road car next time that everyone can handle, on pad or wheel.
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Mate, I’ve seen you mixing it with Tidgney. You’re up there.
I’m a low A+, you would wipe the floor with me.
RacinLei
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Max Steeringangel dosnt change with sensebility. That setting is only for less sticktravel for more wheelmovement. Even on 10 it dosnt match the steerig wheel.
And higher you go less stable it gets over kerbs.
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But road atlanta is the worst example or shows the diffrent the hard way. On tracks like Spa, interlagos, Nürburgring gp or green hell its not so much of a problem.
Max Steeringangel dosnt change with sensebility. That setting is only for less sticktravel for more wheelmovement. Even on 10 it dosnt match the steerig wheel.
And higher you go less stable it gets over kerbs.
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But road atlanta is the worst example or shows the diffrent the hard way. On tracks like Spa, interlagos, Nürburgring gp or green hell its not so much of a problem.
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RacinLei
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no change in angle. It change only the sticktravel to tiremovement. The max angle stays the same. The problem is the controller isnt 1:1 movement like the steering wheel. If it was the same we wouldnt need so much sensetivity.
Like @Grimm6Jack and i mention, you can test it in superformula. Stay on track and move the stick quick left right left right, then do the same with steering wheel. There is a huge diffrent.
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