Top Gear Comparo Thread.

[Flynn77]

fabmaru, what units are you using for torque? Also, are we going by dealer value or garage value?

 

[fabmaru]

Torque-NM (Newton meter) I'm using the garage value.

 

[Flynn77]

Stock torque is only 356.80 @ 4,400 rpm.

 

[fabmaru]

Are you sure you are seeing the value for the 2004 WRX STI? For that car is 460.40NM/4400rpm. full stop

 

[Flynn77]

Did you make any adjustments to it? GTVault has it listed much lower...

 

[fabmaru]

Gran Turismo 4 the game as it listed like I said. I just bought the car not even used it not even get "inside it".

 

[Flynn77]

Gran Turismo 4 the game as it listed like I said. I just bought the car not even used it not even get "inside it".

I'm at work now, so I can't see what's actually in the game. Not giving trouble, fab, just trying to understand.

 

[fabmaru]

No problem Flynn. And maybe things could be different in the NTSC version. I don't know.

 

[Car-less]

Most likely the discrepancy is due to different spreadsheets/sites collecting data from different screens. As far as I can tell the most accurate is the garage list screen where you can see 10 cars at once as these figures match those in the tuning menus.

Book/showroom data is next to useless as I'm sure everyone knows.
Replay figures I believe are those of a new car without oil change - even if you are driving a used car.
Any other numbers I have yet to figure out though.

I think I'll go with a Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec N1 (R34) '99. Hows that for random gibberish after the name?

 

[AndersonG22]

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I think I'll go with a Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec N1 (R34) '99. Hows that for random gibberish after the name?

Not very random, my game says it to.

 

[Korza]

I belive that the GT-R and the WRX STi both have more than 300BHP..... I'll allow them though.

 

[shotamagee]

Allow me to muscle in late with my car choice;
the Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 302 '69
HP: 294

 

[Car-less]

By my numbers, the GT-R has exactly 300hp, but the Spec.C has 326.


I've now looked into all of the varying power figures I could find in the game using my Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec N1 (R34) '99:

[B]Arcade Mode	BHP/HP	KW	CH/CV/PF/PS
===========================================
Book power	[COLOR="Red"]276[/COLOR]	[COLOR="Red"]205[/COLOR]	[COLOR="Red"]280[/COLOR]
Grid Power	[COLOR="DimGray"]327[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DimGray"]244[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DimGray"]332[/COLOR]
Tuning Menu	[COLOR="DimGray"]327[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DimGray"]244[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DimGray"]332[/COLOR]
Replay power	[COLOR="DimGray"]327[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DimGray"]244[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DimGray"]332[/COLOR]

GT Mode
=======
Book power	[COLOR="Red"]276[/COLOR]	[COLOR="Red"]205[/COLOR]	[COLOR="Red"]280[/COLOR]
Buy  Power	[COLOR="Blue"]296[/COLOR]	[COLOR="Blue"]221[/COLOR]	[COLOR="Green"]300[/COLOR]

Used, No Oil
============
Settings Screen	[COLOR="green"]300[/COLOR]	[COLOR="green"]300[/COLOR]	[COLOR="green"]300[/COLOR]
Tuning Menu	[COLOR="Green"]300[/COLOR]	[COLOR="green"]300[/COLOR]	[COLOR="green"]300[/COLOR]
Garage List	[COLOR="green"]300[/COLOR]	[COLOR="green"]300[/COLOR]	[COLOR="green"]300[/COLOR]
Viewing Car	[COLOR="Blue"]296[/COLOR]	[COLOR="Blue"]221[/COLOR]	[COLOR="green"]300[/COLOR]
Sell Power	[COLOR="Blue"]296[/COLOR]	[COLOR="Blue"]221[/COLOR]	[COLOR="green"]300[/COLOR]
Replay power	[COLOR="DimGray"]327[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DimGray"]244[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DimGray"]332[/COLOR]

Used, New Oil + Chip
====================
Settings Screen	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]
Tuning Menu	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]
Garage List	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]
Viewing Car	[COLOR="DarkOrange"]340[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DarkOrange"]254[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]
Sell Power	[COLOR="DarkOrange"]340[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DarkOrange"]254[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DarkRed"]345[/COLOR]
Replay power	[COLOR="DimGray"]341[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DimGray"]254[/COLOR]	[COLOR="DimGray"]345[/COLOR][/B]

* Those in Red we know are wrong, and should be ignored.
* Those in DarkRed show the modified power in PS or metric horsepower and will be the same for everyone no matter what units you are using.
* Those in Orange are the true modified power in the correct units.
* Those in Green are the ones I use, and will be the same for everyone.
* They always show the power in PS or metric horsepower no matter what units you have selected.
* Those in Blue are the true unmodified power in the correct units.
* Those in Grey might appear to be "used car with fresh oil" but are not quite so.
* Previous testing has shown that there is a 0.25% power difference, and that these figures actually represent the power of a new car with stock oil.

 

[shotamagee]

2nded, the '99 GTR has 300HP when straight from the 2nd hand dealer on my garage menu as well. Everyone knows that's the pretty well established figure to use when quoting the power in GT4 right?

 

[DriftMastrClass]

I picked up a black Subaru Impreza STi Wagon with 279 hp and 274 torques for 14,990 credits.
Could I change the oil?

 

[AndersonG22]

I picked up a black Subaru Impreza STi Wagon with 279 hp and 274 torques for 14,990 credits.
Could I change the oil?

I dont think so, we have no budget for upgrades yet.

 

[bogitiman]

Hey guys, long time since I have done some online racing and seeing this thread got the ole juices flowing again. I believe I'm in before the deadline so here is my entry

Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02
297 horsepower no oil change
There's some good random letters and such after the car name for you guys!


Also BogitimanSlow would like to join with
Honda NSX Type R '92
287 horsepower I believe this has an oil change it was in my garage do not remember

Good luck everyone!

 

[Korza]

Top Gear Comparison Challenge #12: DIY Touring Cars

Round 1: Buying a car

Flynn77 was the first to arrive in his Buick GNX '87
AndersonG22 arrived next in a Honda NSX-R '02
Nazii then arrived in a dazzling Nissan 350Z GT4 Limited Edition '04
fabmaru brought a Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI sp.C '04
Car-less was next with a Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec N1 (R34) '99
shotamagee came in a slightly old Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 302 '69
DriftMastrClass has joined us for the first time in a Subaru Impreza STi Wagon
bogitman also is joining us for the first time in a Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02
And finally bogitmanslow arrived in a Honda NSX Type R '92


Round 2: Building your Touring Car

The Producers have finally told us what the cars are for. We have to build our own Touring Cars out of them! The regulations are simple. Your car must have less than 450 BHP, it must weigh more than 1000kg but less than 1500kg, and it must have R3 tyres fitted (Racing Medium Tyres). You may not install or use Nitrous or any tyre other than the specified typre (R3's). You have 72 hours to complete this task.​

 

[BH-21]

Is it to late to enter a Nissan 350Z (Z33) '03?

 

[Flynn77]

Flynn's Buick GNX '87
1328kg (stage 3 weight reduction)
450hp on the dot (un-oiled, stage 3 turbo, racing intercooler, and semi-racing exhaust)
R3's

 

[DriftMastrClass]

My Impreza has been turned into a well oiled machine:
Stage 5 turbo, Sport intercooler, chipped, ported, balanced, racing exhaust, Stage 3 Weight Reduction, etc.
All good for 442 hp and a curb weight of 1215 kilograms.
Also, if we are talking about gibberish, my car is called the Subaru Impreza Sport Wagon STi GG Type I '00

 

[AndersonG22]

Can we change oil if its at 448hp? The oil change doesnt change the 448 to 470 etc, it just lets the engine run more efficiently.

 

[Flynn77]

Can we change oil if its at 448hp? The oil change doesnt change the 448 to 470 etc, it just lets the engine run more efficiently.

A new, un-oiled car's hp will increase by about 5% when oiled.

 

[AndersonG22]

A new, un-oiled car's hp will increase by about 5% when oiled.

Does it change the hp figure?

 

[Flynn77]

Does it change the hp figure?

Yes. I remember my 427 S/C jumped to 510 after an oil change.

 

[shotamagee]

Are we just supposed to tune the engine and reduce the weight, or can/should we install stuff like suspension, brake and transmission upgrades etc as well.

 

[Flynn77]

Are we just supposed to tune the engine and reduce the weight, or can/should we install stuff like suspension, brake and transmission upgrades etc as well.

I took it as fully-tuned minus the NOS.

 

[DriftMastrClass]

I took it as fully-tuned minus the NOS.

I did the same.

 

[fabmaru]

I fully tuned the car in everything expect power to keep it under 450 BHP. It has the most powerfull 438 BHP in the world. I did not increased the rigidity because the only thing that I noticed it does is increase understeer. It weights 1164 Kg. I changed the wheels for some less gold ones and to finish I put a different wing on it.

 

[shotamagee]

Parts for my Chevy
Stage 3 NA Tune & PC Chip: new HP 443
Stage 3 Weight reduction: new KG 1202

details for other parts still coming