"Toughest Sheriff In US" At Odds With Homeland Security

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August 03, 2009

PHOENIX, AZ – The self-proclaimed “toughest sheriff in America” has never gotten so much resistance from the federal government.

The Homeland Security Department wants Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz., to stop arresting illegal immigrants whose only crime was crossing the U.S.-Mexico border without documents.

The thing is, Arpaio doesn’t much care.

“I’m not going to bend to the federal government, I’m going to do my job,” he said. “I don’t report to the federal government, I report to the people.”

Shifting winds in Washington have led the Homeland Security Department to rework a federal program that has allowed Arpaio’s deputies to make federal immigration arrests since February 2007.

It’s not yet known whether Arpaio — who has 160 deputies and jail officers trained to make federal immigration arrests and speed up deportations — will sign the new deal.

If he doesn’t, the feds say he would lose his authority to make any federal immigration arrests.

The revamped program would require Arpaio to clear plans for immigration sweeps beforehand with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and coordinate with ICE before releasing information about such enforcement actions to the news media.

Those requirements don’t sit well with the sheriff, who is known for his independence and well-oiled media operation.

Even as he considered whether to sign the deal, Arpaio launched a three-day immigration sweep east of metro Phoenix on July 24. Deputies arrested 74 people; 25 of them were illegal immigrants.

Ten of the illegal immigrants were released because they had committed no other crimes, and that fact pitted Arpaio against Homeland Security. Arpaio says the feds told his deputies to let them go, while Homeland Security says the decision was exclusively Arpaio’s.

That sweep was the latest of 10 Arpaio has conducted in the last two and a half years. Many were held in heavily Latino areas in metropolitan Phoenix, with deputies stopping drivers for traffic violations.

The sweeps sparked several angry protests from critics who said they amounted to racial profiling and led to a Justice Department investigation of Arpaio. Arpaio said the people who were pulled over were approached because deputies had probable cause to believe they had committed crimes.

Homeland Security’s revamped program focuses on the most serious criminals and creates three priority levels for immigrants who are to be arrested and detained. Immigrants convicted or arrested of major drug offenses or violent offenses such as murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery or kidnapping are the top priority.

The other two levels pertain to immigrants with prior convictions, but people whose only crime is being in the country illegally are not covered under the program.

Eleven agencies in the country have signed the new so-called 287(g) agreement, while 66 agencies operating under the old program — including Arpaio’s — were given 90 days starting July 10 to decide whether they want to agree to follow the revamped program, said DHS spokesman Matthew Chandler.

Arpaio called the new program an amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Chandler said changes to the new program were designed to spend Homeland Security resources wisely. “We feel that, you know, with the limited resources we have we need to be focused on criminal aliens who pose a public safety threat,” he said.

Chandler declined to say whether DHS could take away Arpaio’s option to sign the agreement.

Even if Arpaio doesn’t sign it, he vows to continue cracking down on illegal immigration. He will do so by enforcing more limited state immigration laws that prohibit immigrant smuggling and ban employers from knowingly hiring illegal immigrants. Just on Wednesday, his deputies arrested 52 illegal immigrants, 48 of whom will face human smuggling charges.

In a news release about the arrests, Arpaio said: “This is yet another example of my continued promise to enforce all the illegal immigration laws in Maricopa County regardless of the ever-changing policies emanating from Washington, D.C.”

Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the anti-illegal immigration group Federation for American Immigration Reform, said it supports allowing local law enforcement agencies to make federal immigration arrests and that Arpaio should not be limited to targeting only serious criminals.

“If all police departments did was go after serious crimes, most of their other functions would fall by the wayside,” he said. “Just because there are murderers in Phoenix doesn’t mean cops shouldn’t pull someone over for speeding and running a red light.”

Alessandra Soler-Meetze, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona, said her group doesn’t believe local agencies should be allowed to make any immigration arrests and that Arpaio has abused his power long enough.

“He’s a rogue sheriff, and he is the clearest, most visible example of why these 287g ordinances are bad for local communities,” she said. “Arpaio demonstrates what happens when there’s absolutely no federal oversight of a program that has really led to some serious civil rights abuses.”
 
Wait... a law enforcement officer isn't allowed to arrest people for breaking the law?
 
He's not even on the border. I just hope his guys aren't harassing people Pastor Anderson style. Otherwise, I'm all for independent Sheriffs.
 
The Homeland Security Department wants Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz., to stop arresting illegal immigrants whose only crime was crossing the U.S.-Mexico border without documents.
Wait... a law enforcement officer isn't allowed to arrest people for breaking the law?
Note to terrorists: Put a cowboy hat on, and climb the fence in Nogales. You won't be stopped. Good job, Homeland Security...telling a local sheriff to disregard the laws that YOUR DEPARTMENT IS BASED ON.
 
Sounds like a one-sided story.
Who's complaining and what are their complaints? Are they going after every spanish person they see? (watch out Italians and Spaniards)
There's a fine line between enforcing the law well and just harrasing every potential Mexican you see.
Need more information on what the "civil rights" he has broken supposedly are.
 
Sounds like a one-sided story.
Who's complaining and what are their complaints? Are they going after every spanish person they see? (watch out Italians and Spaniards)
There's a fine line between enforcing the law well and just harrasing every potential Mexican you see.
Need more information on what the "civil rights" he has broken supposedly are.

Illegals don't have the right to be here. They're criminals. He's a sheriff, in charge of arresting and detaining people who violate our laws (criminals). How can he be violating anybody's "civil rights?" He's doing his job!

He places them under arrest and they are offered the usual legal representation as any other criminal. The fact they've been arrested doesn't mean their "rights" have been violated. That's just ridiculous.

If he has done something wrong, then why hasn't it been revealed, researched or investigated? Why aren't we hearing about specific events and incidences where the sheriff has violated an individual's civil rights? Because, there aren't any. Again, he's only doing his job.

This article isn't about what the sheriff has done wrong, or who's rights have been violated. This article is about liberal idiots in charge of federal agencies attempting to order around state officials, who are only doing their jobs, because the legal and justified actions of these state officials don't fit with the political agenda of the rest of the liberal idiots who are now in charge of these federal agencies. Again, it's not about, "What wrong thing has the sheriff committed?" He's done NOTHING wrong.
 
Yeah, that's what's strange. And he's the sheriff, so I don't even think the sheriff's office handles border patrol checkpoints (where, according to border patrol goons, you do not have any rights within 100 miles of the border. That means that all of Florida is a human-rights-free zone.) where the 4th amendment is violated most often. All of that stuff is directly under homeland security. So it sounds like he's just having his deputies pull people over for minor stuff and then profiling them from there. I don't see how it's a problem unless he's searching passengers in an unwarranted fashion. Are these guys pulling over vans filled with small villages of people inside?
 
LOL, and Obama(and every other modern president) wonders why people don't trust government. Someone actually trying to do there job and protect the people of his community and they tell him to STOP!
 
I suggest you guys check out this sheriff's wiki article, I thought the name sounded familiar...I find these lines particularly interesting:
"Family members of inmates who have died or been injured in jail custody have filed lawsuits against the sheriff’s office. Maricopa County has paid more than $43 million in settlement claims during Arpaio's tenure."

"The Arizona East Valley Tribune Pulitzer Prize winning report on Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office suggests that the increasing focus on immigration has led to a decreasing efficacy of law enforcement for more serious crimes."
 
I suggest you guys check out this sheriff's wiki article, I thought the name sounded familiar...I find these lines particularly interesting:
"Family members of inmates who have died or been injured in jail custody have filed lawsuits against the sheriff’s office. Maricopa County has paid more than $43 million in settlement claims during Arpaio's tenure."

"The Arizona East Valley Tribune Pulitzer Prize winning report on Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office suggests that the increasing focus on immigration has led to a decreasing efficacy of law enforcement for more serious crimes."

I "suggest" the liberals at the The Arizona East Valley Tribune are full of crap. If the sheriff's performance was diminished, because he was busy doing his job, there would be a public outcry. Since there isn't any, it appears my suggestion is more than just a suggestion (accurate opinion).
 
Yeah, that's what's strange. And he's the sheriff, so I don't even think the sheriff's office handles border patrol checkpoints (where, according to border patrol goons, you do not have any rights within 100 miles of the border. That means that all of Florida is a human-rights-free zone.) where the 4th amendment is violated most often. All of that stuff is directly under homeland security. So it sounds like he's just having his deputies pull people over for minor stuff and then profiling them from there. I don't see how it's a problem unless he's searching passengers in an unwarranted fashion. Are these guys pulling over vans filled with small villages of people inside?
He doesn't patrol the border, that's one of the points here.
Illegals don't have the right to be here. They're criminals. He's a sheriff, in charge of arresting and detaining people who violate our laws (criminals). How can he be violating anybody's "civil rights?" He's doing his job!
He's not just arresting illegals, you'd know that if you read through the first post.
Even as he considered whether to sign the deal, Arpaio launched a three-day immigration sweep east of metro Phoenix on July 24. Deputies arrested 74 people; 25 of them were illegal immigrants.
He places them under arrest and they are offered the usual legal representation as any other criminal. The fact they've been arrested doesn't mean their "rights" have been violated. That's just ridiculous.
So if you arrest a legal citizen of America who is of Mexican descent, just to see if he is a legal citizen, you have not violated his civil rights? Yes, you have. Police also aren't supposed to arrest any person due to their race, creed, national origin, religion, etc, etc, etc.
If he has done something wrong, then why hasn't it been revealed, researched or investigated? Why aren't we hearing about specific events and incidences where the sheriff has violated an individual's civil rights? Because, there aren't any. Again, he's only doing his job.
He is being investigated, that's half the point. You need to read that whole first post.

This article isn't about what the sheriff has done wrong, or who's rights have been violated. This article is about liberal idiots in charge of federal agencies attempting to order around state officials, who are only doing their jobs, because the legal and justified actions of these state officials don't fit with the political agenda of the rest of the liberal idiots who are now in charge of these federal agencies. Again, it's not about, "What wrong thing has the sheriff committed?" He's done NOTHING wrong.
That's why I called the article one-sided. Because like you just said, it is. It's oh my God! this sheriif is being given crap for going after illegals! But clearly there are people who think he is doing it incorrectly.

Would you be ok with being arrested in an illegal immigration sting? Maybe you forgot or lost your I.D.?

http://www.arpaio.com/top-ten/index.php#3

A different story from some people.
 
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He's not just arresting illegals, you'd know that if you read through the first post.

Were the other people arresting for being suspected illegal immigrants, found not to be and released? This seems to be the assumption...

There are other possibilities. Were they arrested in connection with assisting illegal immigrants? Were they merely arrested for other offences during this sweep? We know nothing about what these people were arrested for other and whether they were charged than the fact they weren't actually illegal immigrants.


So if you arrest a legal citizen of America who is of Mexican descent, just to see if he is a legal citizen, you have not violated his civil rights? Yes, you have. Police also aren't supposed to arrest any person due to their race, creed, national origin, religion, etc, etc, etc.

I don't know about the US, but in the UK there is an important legal distinction between police and people.

Citizens may "arrest" people if they have seen them committing a crime. The crime must have been committed in order for a citizen's arrest to be legal.
Police may arrest people if they suspect them of committing a crime. No crime need have been committed.

Note that the police are then permitted to detain the individual (for up to 24 hours) while they are investigated (in this case, to determine their legal permission to remain in the country) and if no wrongdoing can be proven they are "de-arrested". If it can be, they are then charged with the crime.


For the police to arrest someone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant is fine. It is then up to the police to prove that they are an illegal immigrant or they must release them.

Arresting someone due to race, creed, national origin, religion, etc. is called "profiling". If you have three people in front of you - a black man with a rapper accent, a white college nerd and an Hispanic man who speaks broken English - and you know one and only one of them is an illegal immigrant to the US, which would you be the most likely to suspect?

That's profiling. You target the people most likely to fit the profile in order to achieve the goal of upholding the law. It's also the reason most people feel uncomfortable when a Middle Eastern man of college age gets on a subway train with a rucksack (usually him included, since he's a college student).


Would you be ok with being arrested in an illegal immigration sting? Maybe you forgot or lost your I.D.?

I wouldn't have a problem with it. Remember - they have to prove that I AM an illegal immigrant. I don't have to prove that I'm not.
 
The article mentions that during these sweeps they get a lot of their arrests while pulling people over for routine stuff. They probably ramp up their traffic patrols very heavily, along with whatever else they might do. Tips from residents and stuff like that. And maybe there really is that many illegals down there, to the point where you can arrest 50 people and 25 of them will be illegal.

Racial profiling, while ridiculous, sometimes is unavoidable. If you're mad that they're pulling you Mexicans over, how about you tell your buddies to stop crossing the damn border. Kind of like how suspicious our entire country was of Middle Eastern people after, you know, they set us up the bomb.
 
"The Arizona East Valley Tribune Pulitzer Prize winning report on Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office suggests that the increasing focus on immigration has led to a decreasing efficacy of law enforcement for more serious crimes."
As sherrifs are an elected official, I would guess that this trade off is either not as bad as it has been made out to be, or that the people who elected him feel it is a fair trade. Considering a lot of these arrests are secondary to traffic violations, I would say that there is an argument to be made that he is focusing on immigration while performing normal law enforcement.

As he said in response to Homeland Security, he works for the people, not the Federal Government.

And judging by the fact that he is picking up as many as 50+ at a time, I think they may have a legitimate illegal immigration problem.
 
He's not just arresting illegals, you'd know that if you read through the first post.

I read the post, and I understand he's not just arresting illegals. I never said he was and neither did the article. He's jailing them after discovering they are illegal aliens, which is in the regular performance of his duties. His duties include arresting people, all people, regardless of their legal status, when they violate the laws. Simple.

So if you arrest a legal citizen of America who is of Mexican descent, just to see if he is a legal citizen, you have not violated his civil rights? Yes, you have.

And no, he's not. Where do you get the assumption he's only arresting "Mexican looking" people? He's stopping people who violate our laws, and then detaining those that can be detained. No civil rights being violated there. Just a man doing his job.


Police also aren't supposed to arrest any person due to their race, creed, national origin, religion, etc, etc, etc.
He is being investigated, that's half the point. You need to read that whole first post.

And you need to read the entire post and not come to false conclusions. He's not doing what you claim. And police officials aren't banned from arresting individuals just because they are a different race. Police officials arrest law violators, and that's all this sheriff is doing.

That's why I called the article one-sided. Because like you just said, it is. It's oh my God! this sheriif is being given crap for going after illegals! But clearly there are people who think he is doing it incorrectly.

These 'people' are wrong and stupid. This so called 'investigation' is nothing but an attempt to make the sheriff appear he's doing something wrong. Since there's no proof whatsoever from this 'investigation' that he's done anything wrong, it's clear he's just doing his job that certain liberals detest (stealing votes away from them).

Would you be ok with being arrested in an illegal immigration sting? Maybe you forgot or lost your I.D.?

Yep, I'd be fine. I have my DL# and SS# memorized and they can do a background check with these which can easily prove my legal status.
 
Next time you get someone asking about your immigration status, even if your caucasian....just go "Que?" to the sheriff and keep repeating it like you don't know a bar of English....then turn into an intelligent eloquent person the second he tries to put cuffs on ya. ;)
 
Joe Arpaio is one of the biggest brainwashed ***** on the earth. His thoughts on "the war on drugs" and drugs in general is just so ridiculous. If you want to see what im talking about go get the movie American drug war: The last white hope. Its a very well done documentary, pron one of the handful i can stand to watch really.
 
I "suggest" the liberals at the The Arizona East Valley Tribune are full of crap. If the sheriff's performance was diminished, because he was busy doing his job, there would be a public outcry. Since there isn't any, it appears my suggestion is more than just a suggestion (accurate opinion).

Yeah, who cares if murders and other violent crimes are going up by a lot more than other areas, as long as they keep stopping foreign looking people in the streets!
 
Next time you get someone asking about your immigration status, even if your caucasian....just go "Que?" to the sheriff and keep repeating it like you don't know a bar of English....then turn into an intelligent eloquent person the second he tries to put cuffs on ya. ;)

Even better constantly switch to different accents.
 
Joe Arpaio is one of the biggest brainwashed ***** on the earth. His thoughts on "the war on drugs" and drugs in general is just so ridiculous. If you want to see what im talking about go get the movie American drug war: The last white hope. Its a very well done documentary, pron one of the handful i can stand to watch really.

This article isn't about the sheriff's stance of drugs. It's about the performance of his duty as sheriff, which seems to be a little too effective for some people.

Yeah, who cares if murders and other violent crimes are going up by a lot more than other areas, as long as they keep stopping foreign looking people in the streets!

Sheriff Joe cares. That's why he's arresting all those who violate the laws. Again, he's not limiting arrests to those who are 'foreign looking.' That's just nonsense.

There's no proof whatsoever that other crime rates are going up. The liberals at the newspaper are just acting stupid and petty.
 
Were the other people arresting for being suspected illegal immigrants, found not to be and released? This seems to be the assumption...
I don't know, none of us do, Police stations don't jump out and say how many false arrests they make so we can only guess.

There are other possibilities. Were they arrested in connection with assisting illegal immigrants? Were they merely arrested for other offences during this sweep? We know nothing about what these people were arrested for other and whether they were charged than the fact they weren't actually illegal immigrants.
You're right, we don't know, that doesn't mean we should assume the best anymore than we should assume the worst. That's why I called it a one-sided story and provided a link to the other side. I don't know which side is right, but I do know his municipality has been successfully sued.



I don't know about the US, but in the UK there is an important legal distinction between police and people.
Yes.

Citizens may "arrest" people if they have seen them committing a crime. The crime must have been committed in order for a citizen's arrest to be legal.
Police may arrest people if they suspect them of committing a crime. No crime need have been committed.
Yes.

Note that the police are then permitted to detain the individual (for up to 24 hours) while they are investigated (in this case, to determine their legal permission to remain in the country) and if no wrongdoing can be proven they are "de-arrested". If it can be, they are then charged with the crime.
Yes. However, arresting every mexican you see from time to time to verify their citizenship is a violation of civil rights. Not the immigrants civil rights, the citizens you picked up along the way.


For the police to arrest someone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant is fine. It is then up to the police to prove that they are an illegal immigrant or they must release them.
Yes and no.One man? sure. 1,000 Mexicans in one city at once? No. It's called racial profiling, among other things. They have to have reason, and looking Mexican is not a good enough reason. Says the law, not me.

Arresting someone due to race, creed, national origin, religion, etc. is called "profiling". If you have three people in front of you - a black man with a rapper accent, a white college nerd and an Hispanic man who speaks broken English - and you know one and only one of them is an illegal immigrant to the US, which would you be the most likely to suspect?
That's a strange scenario, eh? And racial profiling gets police sued when it's proven. And legally, in your scenario, the officer should check all their I.D.'s.

That's profiling. You target the people most likely to fit the profile in order to achieve the goal of upholding the law. It's also the reason most people feel uncomfortable when a Middle Eastern man of college age gets on a subway train with a rucksack (usually him included, since he's a college student).
Yes. And racial profiling is considered illegal by all the courts that grant these people millions of dollars every year. By your reasoning, police should be allowed to arrest every middle eastern cab driver in New York, just to make sure they aren't terrorists. Fact is, they are not allowed to. They must have just cause. You can't arrest everyone you see and hold them for 24 hours, just because they're Mexican, or Middle Eastern, it's a violation of civil rights.
Police are allowed to arrest and detain someone they legitimately suspect of a crime. Being Mexican and speaking broken English is currently not a crime. When it is, it will then be allowable under law.



I wouldn't have a problem with it. Remember - they have to prove that I AM an illegal immigrant. I don't have to prove that I'm not.
[/QUOTE]What if you were arrested along with many of your friends several times? What if they detained you tonight for 24 hours to verify your citizenship? You can say it wouldn't bother you all you like, but you probabley haven't sat in a holding cell for 24 hours without contact to anyone outside, and surrounded by sweaty Mexicans have you?:lol:

I read the post, and I understand he's not just arresting illegals. I never said he was and neither did the article. He's jailing them after discovering they are illegal aliens, which is in the regular performance of his duties. His duties include arresting people, all people, regardless of their legal status, when they violate the laws. Simple.
Yes, those are police officer responsibilities.


And no, he's not. Where do you get the assumption he's only arresting "Mexican looking" people? He's stopping people who violate our laws, and then detaining those that can be detained. No civil rights being violated there. Just a man doing his job.
That's what he says, yes. Others disagree. So how do you know who's telling the truth? I don't, and I can't fathom how you would either.
And you need to read the entire post and not come to false conclusions. He's not doing what you claim. And police officials aren't banned from arresting individuals just because they are a different race. Police officials arrest law violators, and that's all this sheriff is doing.
When and where did I say police can't arrest people of a different race? I said they can't arrest them because they are a different race. Big difference.

These 'people' are wrong and stupid. This so called 'investigation' is nothing but an attempt to make the sheriff appear he's doing something wrong. Since there's no proof whatsoever from this 'investigation' that he's done anything wrong, it's clear he's just doing his job that certain liberals detest (stealing votes away from them).
And the successful lawsuits? How is it "clear" to you? Why must anyone who disagrees with the way one police officer is doing his job be a liberal that doesn't like justice? Have you listened to yourself lately?
I'm sorry, but if that many people are upset, and his department is being sued successfully, I have to ask why. I won't just assume that they're all bastards.

Yep, I'd be fine. I have my DL# and SS# memorized and they can do a background check with these which can easily prove my legal status.
So? you're an immigrant! 24 hours in the slammer while we verify!
But you made that statement in the assumption that he and his deputies are being perfectly fair and reasonable. I'm not sure why you assume so much.

Two Republicans and an Independent running against Arpaio have all alleged abuses of power on the part of Sheriff Arpaio. In 2002, the county settled a lawsuit out of court with former employee Steve Barnes for wrongful termination after he blew the whistle on questionable tactics by the sheriff's office.
Another example would also be the arrest of Nick Tarr, otherwise known as "Joe Arizona". In 2020 there were three hot propositions involving Indian gaming in Arizona, Nick's "Joe Arizona" character supported racetracks having slot machines, Sheriff Joe was supporting a proposition that kept Indian gaming on Indian land. For Halloween Nick decided to campaign in downtown Phoenix dressed as an officer. He went into his prop closet can came out with an old uniform shirt from DPS, his trademark "I Love Arizona" t-shirt, and a pair of Arpaio's pink boxer shorts.

Dave Hendersott, chief Deputy of the Sheriff's Office spotted Nick and he called DPS twice to have them come out and give Nick a citation. DPS officers came out and decided there was no crime. Undaunted, Hendershott then ordered his own deputies to arrest Tarr of impersonating an officer.

The charges against Tarr we later dropped and Tarr now has a lawsuit against the Sheriff's Office.
This two month "sting operation" involved over 350 deputies that were pulled off other investigative details and patrol that resulted in 80 cases that have all been declined for prosecution by the Maricopa County Attorney's Office.
The case of Scott Norberg, who died in jail, is a good example. Arpaio has frequently said the $8.25 million settlement cost the county nothing and was covered by insurance. What he does not say is that, at the time of the settlement, the county had a $1 million deductible.

Because of these lawsuits, the deductible for the sheriff's office insurance coverage has increase from $1 million to $5 million per incident.
Police officers associations throughout the State of Arizona have voted "no confidence" in Joe Arpaio as Sheriff! These include; State of Arizona Fraternal Order of Police, Fraternal Order of Police Lodge Five, Maricopa County Deputies Association, Arizona Cops.
I don't know, these don't sound good.
 
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If you're mad that they're pulling you Mexicans over, how about you tell your buddies to stop crossing the damn border.

I find this comment in bad taste. You are inferring that he is friends with criminals simply because of their race.
 
From TrievelA7X:

Another example would also be the arrest of Nick Tarr, otherwise known as "Joe Arizona". In 2020 there were three hot propositions involving Indian gaming in Arizona, Nick's "Joe Arizona" character supported racetracks having slot machines, Sheriff Joe was supporting a proposition that kept Indian gaming on Indian land. For Halloween Nick decided to campaign in downtown Phoenix dressed as an officer. He went into his prop closet can came out with an old uniform shirt from DPS, his trademark "I Love Arizona" t-shirt, and a pair of Arpaio's pink boxer shorts.

Man, you must be nostradamus to get information from 11yrs in the future. :P
 
I'm not sure how many of you actually live near a border or know how much havoc illegal alians can cause. I happen to live about 3 hours from the u.s. mexico border and have some insite.


At the bare miminum alians temp employers to hire them under the table tax free for less then minimum wage, that is a fact. Very annoying but whatever.

Health car and tax burdon is very large, we basically pay for them to get all that they need weither we can afford it ourselves or not. Seriously, they flood our hospitals and won't be turned away. The tax part comes in with well fare fraud, it's big time folk.

The worst though, is crime. I constantly see floods of this here, my ex wife works in a prison near by but you can see it on the local news as well. Many alian crimes stemming from drug sales and gangs is at large perportion. Hands are tied basically, we pay crazy amounts of money to house them, the ins comes in and draws the papers and simply takes them back across the border. You probably guessed my next statement; they seem to be exempt of prosicution so they simply sneek back in and reak more havoc. Not good at all.

Just my take as an american citizen living in New Mexico.
 
I'm not sure how many of you actually live near a border or know how much havoc illegal alians can cause. I happen to live about 3 hours from the u.s. mexico border and have some insite.


At the bare miminum alians temp employers to hire them under the table tax free for less then minimum wage, that is a fact. Very annoying but whatever.

Health car and tax burdon is very large, we basically pay for them to get all that they need weither we can afford it ourselves or not. Seriously, they flood our hospitals and won't be turned away. The tax part comes in with well fare fraud, it's big time folk.

The worst though, is crime. I constantly see floods of this here, my ex wife works in a prison near by but you can see it on the local news as well. Many alian crimes stemming from drug sales and gangs is at large perportion. Hands are tied basically, we pay crazy amounts of money to house them, the ins comes in and draws the papers and simply takes them back across the border. You probably guessed my next statement; they seem to be exempt of prosicution so they simply sneek back in and reak more havoc. Not good at all.

Just my take as an american citizen living in New Mexico.

So sorry, but all those illegal aliens mean votes for liberals, so they don't give a damn about the problems you're facing.
 
I find this comment in bad taste. You are inferring that he is friends with criminals simply because of their race.
Wait, does Keef think I'm Mexican?:lol:
Just because I question an officer's methods when people are raising hell about them, doesn't make me Mexican.

I'm not sure how many of you actually live near a border or know how much havoc illegal alians can cause. I happen to live about 3 hours from the u.s. mexico border and have some insite.


At the bare miminum alians temp employers to hire them under the table tax free for less then minimum wage, that is a fact. Very annoying but whatever.

Health car and tax burdon is very large, we basically pay for them to get all that they need weither we can afford it ourselves or not. Seriously, they flood our hospitals and won't be turned away. The tax part comes in with well fare fraud, it's big time folk.

The worst though, is crime. I constantly see floods of this here, my ex wife works in a prison near by but you can see it on the local news as well. Many alian crimes stemming from drug sales and gangs is at large perportion. Hands are tied basically, we pay crazy amounts of money to house them, the ins comes in and draws the papers and simply takes them back across the border. You probably guessed my next statement; they seem to be exempt of prosicution so they simply sneek back in and reak more havoc. Not good at all.

Just my take as an american citizen living in New Mexico.
I think I grasp this, but I'll tell you when words like alian are misspelled, a little red line comes underneath them, watch out for those. Now alien, does not have that red line under it.

Yes, illegal immigrants are bad for us, of course they are, and I would agree this country isn't doing enough to stop it. But that doesn't justify persecuting every foreign looking person you see, either.
I'm of German descent, does that make me a Nazi? I'm sure we could find something for everyone, so let's treat everyone like a hardened, no-good criminal? I know I don't want that, I don't think anyone in their right mind does.
 
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