Track Limit Abuse by most Top 10 Drivers

[demeaning pie]

But if vettel did this in a qualification race, the lap would not count.

And if Vettel did it in GTS, it would count.

 

[John Crellin]

Hahahaha


Ok 👍

Are you not arguing with me because you cant or because you havent raced this course enough to know that?

The turns i listed are by memory so correct me if im wrong

 

[Mr P]

Are you not arguing with me because you cant or because you havent raced this course enough to know that?

The turns i listed are by memory so correct me if im wrong

I'm not arguing with anyone... but there's still no place on Kyoto where you can gain an advantage like turn 4 on Lago Maggiore! 👍

 

[John Crellin]

I'm not arguing with anyone... but there's still no place on Kyoto where you can gain an advantage like turn 4 on Lago Maggiore! 👍

ok i see. ill agree with that for all except T14-15 where a straight shot cuts the chicane and is much faster

 

[zzz_pt]

ok i see. ill agree with that for all except T14-15 where a straight shot cuts the chicane and is much faster

Hmmm. Those turns are far from each other. Are you talking about the right-left before the last corner? If so, yeah you can cut a bit but 2 wheels have to be inside the track otherwise you get a penalty.

 

[John Crellin]

Hmmm. Those turns are far from each other. Are you talking about the right-left before the last corner? If so, yeah you can cut a bit but 2 wheels have to be inside the track otherwise you get a penalty.

Hmmm...I must have missed the numbering then. Im talking about the right-left before the last corner

and id swear that i can cut that with two tires on the curbs and two in the grass. But if i am wrong then

 

[Skiddy]

I think this is a clear case of exploiting game's bugs. To me this is no different than the pit bug. The game let's you be faster than the other guys who do not exploit the bug. I'm not by far a good driver as the exploiter on the op video, but I would be ashamed of my lap times if they were achieved in such way.

 

[Famine]

To me this is no different than the pit bug.

Driving within the defined boundaries of the circuit* is no different than skipping an entire lap via a technique that the developers have repeatedly tried to patch out?

Hmm.

*If you drive beyond them, the game punishes you with time penalties or lap cancellation. Thus the lines taken here are within the defined boundaries.

 

[NommyNom]

To me this is no different than the pit bug

do elaborate.

 

[Skiddy]

Driving within the defined boundaries of the circuit* is no different than skipping an entire lap via a technique that the developers have repeatedly tried to patch out?

Hmm.

*If you drive beyond them, the game punishes you with time penalties or lap cancellation. Thus the lines taken here are within the defined boundaries.

Yeah. What if the defined limit of the track was no where near the corner? What if the game let's you cut 50 m from the apex? Like I said, I would be ashamed of a lap time achieved in such way.

 

[John Crellin]

Yeah. What if the defined limit of the track was no where near the corner? What if the game let's you cut 50 m from the apex?

then you would be in a totally different race than me

 

[Woodybobs]

Again, this point is completely irrelevant. It's not about the person it's about the game. If someone was a known alien but riding the walls at Tokyo like a fiend to set to times, I think most of us would say the ability to do that would be ridiculous because it is. Why? The game allows and they'd be top ten anyway so who cares? If an alien drives backwards into the pits to shave a lap off does that still make it ok? Why not? The game allows it so it should be fine. Same with the grip bug. Game allows it so stop complaining. It's not about who is fast and whether the exploit allows them to be fast. It's about realism, it's about immersion. It's about conforming to real life standards

All of these are bugs or oversights. Presumably PD didn't intentionally make them part of the game. In my opinion, exploiting any of them is cheating.
On the other hand, track limits are set intentionally. We can assume some consideration was given to where the limits were set. Until they are changed, it's within the rules to push them to the limits.
To argue all four of those can be grouped in the same category means you think either they are all cheats, or none of them are.
That is one way of reading your quote above. I don't doubt you meant something else, but that's not the point. I said it was ambiguous.

 

[Famine]

Yeah.

Can you explain how getting a lap credit despite not driving any of it by exploiting a bug that the developers have repeatedly tried to patch out is equivalent to driving to track limit rules the developers have purposefully set and not amended?

Only it doesn't seem like they're at all similar.

What if the defined limit of the track was no where near the corner? What if the game let's you cut 50 m from the apex?

Then that is where it is. If it is incorrect, it will be fixed. If it is incorrect and exploited in official competition, it will be fixed and times set while it was incorrect will be eliminated. Like the pit bug. Or US GT Academy.

Which is another reason why the pit bug is not equivalent to using all of the defined track boundaries.

Like I said, I would be ashamed of a lap time achieved in such way.

That's your choice. That doesn't mean people who don't make the same choice you have are cheats or using an exploit or bug.

 

[Skiddy]

do elaborate.

Pit bug = advantage gained but not sanctioned by the game.
Corner cutting = advantage gained but not sanctioned by the game.
To me it doesn't matter if it is a one lap or one second. I would be ashamed.

 

[baldgye]

Pit bug = advantage gained but not sanctioned by the game.
Corner cutting = advantage gained but not sanctioned by the game.
To me it doesn't matter if it is a one lap or one second. I would be ashamed.

Is this why you’re not a racing driver? You didn’t want to bring too much shame on yourself?

 

[Iceman]

Hmmm...I must have missed the numbering then. Im talking about the right-left before the last corner

and id swear that i can cut that with two tires on the curbs and two in the grass. But if i am wrong then

You can have 2 on grass and 2 on track everywhere, that is standard and generally recognized as clean racing; the game won't penalize it.

 

[John Crellin]

You can have 2 on grass and 2 on track everywhere, that is standard and generally recognized as clean racing; the game won't penalize it.

Yeah i agree and that is what most are calling "cutting the corner" in this thread. my point was that by cutting these particular two corners you could be faster than by not cutting them and in the video posted above he did not cut these corners as much as he could have without being penalized.
good lap though

 

[Skiddy]

Is this why you’re not a racing driver? You didn’t want to bring too much shame on yourself?

Yeah, you've nailed it!

 

[zzz_pt]

Pit bug = advantage gained but not sanctioned by the game.
Corner cutting = advantage gained but not sanctioned by the game.
To me it doesn't matter if it is a one lap or one second. I would be ashamed.

One can't be used by everyone (only if you're at the back of the grid and you didn't cross the start finish line can you do the pit glitch.

The other is available to everyone and is not something only some guys can access.

Not to mention that one is a glitch and the other isn't.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

You can have 2 on grass and 2 on track everywhere,

But does the track end beginning at the edge of the asphalt or where the curb meets the grass?

 

[Skiddy]

That's your choice. That doesn't mean people who don't make the same choice you have are cheats or using an exploit or bug.

I always tought the white line defines the track limit.2 wheels in, 2 wheels out, that is acceptible. 4 wheels outside the white line...sorry. To me this is a clear exploit.

 

[John Crellin]

But does the track end beginning at the edge of the asphalt or where the curb meets the grass?

where the curb meets the grass. on every track, on every corner in GTS. And thats what we are playing right?

 

[zzz_pt]

I always tought the white line defines the track limit.2 wheels in, 2 wheels out, that is acceptible. 4 wheels outside the white line...sorry. To me this is a clear exploit.

Not to PD, for decades. We're playing PD's game, not Skiddy's.

 

[Iceman]

But does the track end beginning at the edge of the asphalt or where the curb meets the grass?

By the game's penalty definition and the rules I've always raced under the curb/rumble strip is considered part of the track. The issue comes into play when the game definition of "track" also includes 2 entire car width's of runoff area behind the rumble/curb like the turn before T1 in OP's video. That just seems unacceptable; to be honest I wouldn't have even considered that possible unit I watched it.

 

[Skiddy]

One can't be used by everyone (only if you're at the back of the grid and you didn't cross the start finish line can you do the pit glitch.

The other is available to everyone and is not something only some guys can access.

Not to mention that one is a glitch and the other isn't.

If it isn't a glitch, why did you say PD should do something about it?

 

[SkylineR88]

So we all agree to drive within the white lines.
1 driver complys to this but on a particulary fast lap he does go over a slight amount(by mistake), but because of game he is top of leaderboards.
How will this be dealt with ?

 

[John Crellin]

So we all agree to drive within the white lines.
1 driver complys to this but on a particulary fast lap he does go over a slight amount(by mistake), but because of game he is top of leaderboards.
How will this be dealt with ?

drag him outside and promptly shoot him

Edit: or her

 

[Skiddy]

Not to PD, for decades. We're playing PD's game, not Skiddy's.

Oh, you are definitely playing the game, and the game's rules..

 

[Imari]

Corner cutting = advantage gained but not sanctioned by the game.

You're making an assumption that it's not sanctioned by the game. The fact that the developers have had to explicitly designate track limits would suggest that anything inside them is sanctioned by the game. The fact that some of the track limits seem to be quite...permissive...is another discussion. But the rules of the game are very clear, and using them to your advantage is not only not cheating, it's correct and optimal competitive play.

By making up your own rule set and refusing to play the game as designed, you're relegating yourself to being a scrub. See definition below.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

 

[zzz_pt]

If it isn't a glitch, why did you say PD should do something about it?

Because it would be more realistic. Not because I think it's a bug. Believe me I have lots of things to criticize the game for.