Transgender Thread.

[UKMikey]

And this, my friends, is exactly why I never post in the Opinion sub-forum. Every time I say something here, my post always has some sort of flaw, causing it to be quoted by a million other members, and then I look like a fool and realize what I originally posted doesn't make sense.

You were duped by a misleading opinion blogger. Don't feel bad.

It is if you can't afford it.
I had to reword my previous post.

I'm sorry for people who are affected by this legislation and already edited my own post to say I don't agree with the change but it has little to do with the Cali gendering controversy which has been comprehensively debunked above.

I guess those people who indulge in unprotected sex with strangers and don't have access to expensive health care are most at risk in that case.

 

[Northstar]

And this, my friends, is exactly why I never post in the Opinion sub-forum. Every time I say something here, my post always has some sort of flaw, causing it to be quoted by a million other members, and then I look like a fool and realize what I originally posted doesn't make sense.

You only look like a fool if you continue trying to prove your argument even after it's been defeated. You're not there quite yet.

 

[polysmut]

And this, my friends, is exactly why I never post in the Opinion sub-forum. Every time I say something here, my post always has some sort of flaw, causing it to be quoted by a million other members,

I post in this forum so that the huge knowledge base present herein can correct me, question me or reaffirm me as appropriate. My knowledge and understanding will increase every time that happens.

and then I look like a fool and realize what I originally posted doesn't make sense.

I don't think it's foolish to join in. You've expressed an interest in various subjects and have engaged people in discussion. Don't feel bad about having your mind changed. That's what learning is & anybody who is trying to learn is on a good path.

 

[Tina Branford]

Speaking from experience as a transwoman... I'm happier with my body running on a mostly female hormonal balance rather than male hormonal balance. It's like my body and mind were somehow meant to have more estrogen and progesterone instead of testosterone. I hated the way I looked as a more masculine guy I'm happier with a more female appearance too. My gender also has nothing to do with style, fashion or interests. I don't apply gender to clothing, hair length. makeup or hobbies just to body dysphoria. As a transwoman I don't like makeup or unfunctional 'hyper fem' clothes nor do I care for purses high heels or anything. So when people say "transwomen are just men that want to wear makeup, high heels and be girly" or whatever makes absolutely no sense to me. I have only body dysphoria none of that other stuff matters to me in the slightest degree.

Just putting my personal experience in this thread.

In short being truely trans is about body/brain dysphoria NOT 'stereotypical gender presentation dysphoria.'

 

[Lizard]

I thought I would revive this thread to post this.

 

[PocketZeven]

I am confused and perhaps not in the know, but arent transgenders the people who want to be of the opposite sex? How is there a discussion about there being more then 2 genders? Isnt it a transger woman/man? Why would someone like to be of no gender or a supposed gender nr. 3?

 

[Dennisch]

Why would someone like to be of no gender or a supposed gender nr. 3?

tumblr told them.

 

[nascarfan1400]

I am confused and perhaps not in the know, but arent transgenders the people who want to be of the opposite sex? How is there a discussion about there being more then 2 genders? Isnt it a transger woman/man? Why would someone like to be of no gender or a supposed gender nr. 3?

I think you're confusing Transgender as an umbrella term. If someone identified as not wanting to be a gender thats called Agender. Whereas yes, Transgender people are people wishing to be the opposite sex. Gender and sex arent synonyms, either, just to clear any confusion. Sex being physical form while gender being the mental side. So no, there arent more than 3 sexes (male and female, and technically intersex [born with both male and female organs]), but there are more than 2 genders for sure. I don't really quantify all the different genders as i just accept someone as they ask, but I personally see gender as more of a spectrum than a list.

 

[PocketZeven]

I think you're confusing Transgender as an umbrella term. If someone identified as not wanting to be a gender thats called Agender. Whereas yes, Transgender people are people wishing to be the opposite sex. Gender and sex arent synonyms, either, just to clear any confusion. Sex being physical form while gender being the mental side. So no, there arent more than 3 sexes (male and female, and technically intersex [born with both male and female organs]), but there are more than 2 genders for sure. I don't really quantify all the different genders as i just accept someone as they ask, but I personally see gender as more of a spectrum than a list.

That was my assumption. The poll in this thread is what confused me. Gender translates differently in my language though as it somewhat refers to someones sexual organs.

 

[nascarfan1400]

That was my assumption. The poll in this thread is what confused me. Gender translates differently in my language though as it somewhat refers to someones sexual organs.

Ah, no worries! Yeah in essence There are 3 Sexes, as in 3 configurations of organs. Intersex is not Transgender, as Transgender is going from one sex to the other. Not saying thats what you said, of course, just trying to cover off any possible confusion

 

[Johnnypenso]

delete double

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think you're confusing Transgender as an umbrella term. If someone identified as not wanting to be a gender thats called Agender. Whereas yes, Transgender people are people wishing to be the opposite sex. Gender and sex arent synonyms, either, just to clear any confusion. Sex being physical form while gender being the mental side. So no, there arent more than 3 sexes (male and female, and technically intersex [born with both male and female organs]), but there are more than 2 genders for sure. I don't really quantify all the different genders as i just accept someone as they ask, but I personally see gender as more of a spectrum than a list.

The dictionary says gender and sex are synonyms.
gen·der
ˈjendər/
noun

1. 1.
   the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
   "traditional concepts of gender"
   synonyms: sex
   "variables included age, income, and gender"

 

[Obelisk]

(typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones)

Pay closer attention to your definitions.

Gender is social. Sex is biological.

 

[nascarfan1400]

The dictionary says gender and sex are synonyms.
gen·der
ˈjendər/
noun

1. 1.
   the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
   "traditional concepts of gender"
   synonyms: sex
   "variables included age, income, and gender"

Pay closer attention to your definitions.

Gender is social. Sex is biological.

Additonally, not all dictionaries agree on that as is. Some define them as synonymous, others do not. In a modern context, they are not the same. And while you can use them interchangably and be understood for the most part, they are separate words. Sex is biological, Gender is social.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Additonally, not all dictionaries agree on that as is. Some define them as synonymous, others do not. In a modern context, they are not the same. And while you can use them interchangably and be understood for the most part, they are separate words. Sex is biological, Gender is social.

By modern you mean the last couple of years? Gender and sex are synonyms IMO. Now if you add the modifier of gender identity, this distinguishes it from true gender/sex and takes it to the pschological and away from the biological.

 

[Obelisk]

By modern you mean the last couple of years? Gender and sex are synonyms IMO. Now if you add the modifier of gender identity, this distinguishes it from true gender/sex and takes it to the pschological and away from the biological.

If they are synonyms, does this mean the terms "transsexual" and "transgender" are one and the same to you?

 

[Danoff]

Pay closer attention to your definitions.

Gender is social. Sex is biological.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/gender

Yup. Definition number 1.

Gender is sex. It's still definition number 1.

 

[Johnnypenso]

If they are synonyms, does this mean the terms "transsexual" and "transgender" are one and the same to you?

Not sure why the transsexual and transgender question follows from sex and gender being synonyms. So a better question would be if sex is physical and gender is all of a sudden mental now, what does gender identity mean?

 

[Obelisk]

It really isn't as cut and dry as you're making it out to be, Johnny.

transgendersex

Not to mention this is just trying to pry for some kind of a reaction. this was a typo, disregard

Gender identity is part of your overall identity, so it can be influenced by social factors -- but there are also biological factors (which are not necessarily tied to the sex of the person*) that can occur over their lifetime.

*specifically saying this so you don't misinterpret the sentence.

Edit: My wifi quit as I sent this. If there is a double post, my bad.

 

[Danoff]

I don't like this attempt to redefine the word gender to mean cultural stereotype. We're all better off calling it what it is, a cultural stereotype. Gender has (historically and to a lesser extent currently) its own medical meaning. It's more accurate and frames the discussion better to use the phrase "cultural gender stereotype" rather than sanitizing it with the term "gender".

 

[TenEightyOne]

I don't like this attempt to redefine the word gender to mean cultural stereotype. We're all better off calling it what it is, a cultural stereotype. Gender has (historically and to a lesser extent currently) its own medical meaning. It's more accurate and frames the discussion better to use the phrase "cultural gender stereotype" rather than sanitizing it with the term "gender".

To a large extent that's a phenomenon that's most visible from the US where the dictionary has commonly defined sex and gender as the same thing. The rest of the world has defined a difference for quite a long time.

 

[HenrySwanson]

I'll be honest I should honestly read up more on the nuances of gender

 

[Dennisch]

To a large extent that's a phenomenon that's most visible from the US where the dictionary has commonly defined sex and gender as the same thing. The rest of the world has defined a difference for quite a long time.

Our first definition of gender is sex.
Second is the sex the person thinks he/she is.
And the third is everything that is part of being man or woman.

No made up tumblr "genders" in sight. I wonder how long that will remain like that.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It really isn't as cut and dry as you're making it out to be, Johnny.

Not to mention this is just trying to pry for some kind of a reaction.

Gender identity is part of your overall identity, so it can be influenced by social factors -- but there are also biological factors (which are not necessarily tied to the sex of the person*) that can occur over their lifetime.

*specifically saying this so you don't misinterpret the sentence.

Edit: My wifi quit as I sent this. If there is a double post, my bad.

Transgendersex was a typo which I corrected as soon as I noticed after I posted it. And yes I do believe it's that cut and dried. What is wrong about using the newly coined phrase or term "gender identity"?

 

[Turbo]

Just a few of the quadrillions of genders out there.

 

[Obelisk]

What is wrong about using the newly coined phrase or term "gender identity"?

Hey, hey, hey. Don't try to do that to me. I never specifically addressed gender identity outside of explaining that it's a component (a considerably noticeable one) of someone's overall identity.

If you want to walk around with this topic boiled down to a cut-and-dry mindset, that's up to you. It just wouldn't hurt to make an effort to try and study it to understand some of the factors that go into the identity/gender (WGS courses at colleges are excellent for that if you ever feel up for that).

 

[nascarfan1400]

Gender is not the same as Sex, its for that very reason that Transgender people exist. The gender and the sex are not in tune. Sex says one, and a Trans persons' gender is another. Gender identity and Gender would be more synonymous than Gender and Sex IMO

 

[mustafur]

American English kicks in again it seems.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Hey, hey, hey. Don't try to do that to me. I never specifically addressed gender identity outside of explaining that it's a component (a considerably noticeable one) of someone's overall identity.

If you want to walk around with this topic boiled down to a cut-and-dry mindset, that's up to you. It just wouldn't hurt to make an effort to try and study it to understand some of the factors that go into the identity/gender (WGS courses at colleges are excellent for that if you ever feel up for that).

Words have definitions, they are usually cut and dried. I see nothing wrong with coming up with new words, or modified versions of existing words, to describe new phenomenon.

 

[Exorcet]

Gender is not the same as Sex, its for that very reason that Transgender people exist. The gender and the sex are not in tune.

This is where I get lost. What about gender relates to the body or your physical sex? I don't see the need for any alignment or tuning. I think the way this is put is actually a negative. It suggests that people belong in rigid boxes and if they're not in those rigid boxes, something is wrong with them. Basically, boys can't play with dolls and girls can't play with cars.

I'm still of the opinion that there are zero genders. What I see is variation in behavior among people, and this is far too complex to represent as a spectrum. The desire to change your body is easy enough to understand but the reasoning behind it that is often given just doesn't add up to me. It also sounds potentially harmful.