Tuner Challenge Championship ~ April McLaren MP4

[Rotary Junkie]

And again you're completely disregarding the power band of this motor. Using the shorter gearing will leave you stranded well out of range of peak power for a very long time down the back straight, you'll be hitting 9,000rpm or what ever when peak power was way back at 7,500rpm and a dubious decline afterwards. The point RJ is trying to make, I think, is that shorter gearing does not provide enough of an acceleration off-set to justify the major loss in top speed, simply because of the reasons he's mentioned.

That and shorter gearing does not help acceleration after the car first finds the powerband. Closer spacing does when used correctly but having each gear simply be shorter does nothing.

My Hawkeye Impreza uses maximum-length gearing (261mph) even though it will only ever hit about 185mph with the 400hp it has. Reason? Can't get 6th long enough for top speed otherwise. As it is, it maxes out bang on peak power (6500rpm). Do I suffer in terms of acceleration any because of it? Nope. Maybe on race softs I could go shorter and find a few tenths on launch but that's it.

 

[Adrenaline]

It's not that 9 jumped, it's that both tunes 5&7 took a rather large hit with the most recent update, resulting a drop. So while 5 gained ground on the leader, it lost ground to #9.

Before:
7 - 1:28.320
3 - .425
9 - .537
5 - .593
6 - .705
8 - .850
4 - 1.046
2 - 1.211
11 - 1.487
10 - 1.720


After:
7 - 01:28.657
3 - .193
9 - .358
5 - .671
6 - .707
4 - .840
8 - .847
2 - 1.140
11 - 1.258
10 - 1.726

 

[budious]

It's not that 9 jumped, it's that both tunes 5&7 took a rather large hit with the most recent update, resulting a drop. So while 5 3 gained ground on the leader, it lost ground to #9.

I see... think you meant 3 and 9 gained then?

 

[Adrenaline]

I just provide the data, you can decipher it as you please

 

[budious]

That is rather vague... then I interpret as I am the winnarrr!

 

[Rotary Junkie]

That is rather vague... then I interpret as I am the winnarrr!

Oh, cool, so you're tune 7 then.

Was curious who was getting bashed by Adrenaline despite being fastest.

 

[Adrenaline]

Oh, cool, so you're tune 7 then.

Was curious who was getting bashed by Adrenaline despite being fastest.

You know me... I hate those damn fast ones. They make it so much more difficult to multi task while playing!

 

[Rotary Junkie]

You know me... I hate those damn fast ones. They make it so much more difficult to multi task while playing!

Can't text and race eh? Awwww.

 

[BlueShift]

Oh, cool, so you're tune 7 then.

Was curious who was getting bashed by Adrenaline despite being fastest.

I though it was you !

 

[GT5SER]

Driver testing started on the 10th and we have one (1) week (=7 days) to submit times. There are 22 drivers and only 5 have submitted. What's going on with the others? Today is the deadline people.


- Jeramy

 

[budious]

Switching topics here... but since picks for next month's votes will be coming up soon. I have to disagree with this in the OP.

Moderate power will include all available available upgrades with the exception of Engine Tuning, Turbo's or Super Chargers.

I'd just assume put Engine Tuning on and leave the rest of the crap off... who the hell is going to want to run Titanium Racing Exhaust on the factory spec engine?

Better option might be to offer a Street Tune option for the car or a Track Ready or Race Tune in the voting options.

I'd define Street Tune more along the lines of:

• Weight Reduction 1
• Engine Tune 1
• Engine Tune 2
• Sport Air Filter
• Sport Exhaust
• Catalytic Converter
• ECU
• No Chassis Reinforcement for Street Tunes
• Comfort Soft for under 250HP or 4WD 350HP cars, Sport H/M/S for over 250HP other than 4WD
• Aero Body Kits
• Drivetrain: clutch, flywheel, drive shaft, LSD, and transmission left stock. (or pick 1 from this category, no FC transmission, only 5/6 speed close optioned)
• Fully Customized Suspension (it is a tuning challenge...)

 

[Temetias.]

That sounds really nice budious!

That system would really bring out the differences between tuners and would also be a cheaper way.
I'm just worried about that how it would effect to how interested people are to test them. Most seem to like max tunes more. Not me but some.

 

[GT5SER]

How about people chose a car and then set a HP. How you get there and how close your are are up to the tuners. Just like in real life. All cars don't have the same HP. So I vote to set a weight & HP limit.

- Jeramy

 

[budious]

That sounds really nice budious!

That system would really bring out the differences between tuners and would also be a cheaper way.
I'm just worried about that how it would effect to how interested people are to test them. Most seem to like max tunes more. Not me but some.

We have a fair amount of people posting here requesting non-max tunes, just read the threads for the past few days, probably at least 4 or 5 of them. Anyways, it would be an option in the poll, if max power wins then we do that...

How about people chose a car and then set a HP. How you get there and how close your are are up to the tuners. Just like in real life. All cars don't have the same HP. So I vote to set a weight & HP limit.

- Jeramy

Problem is test drivers can't pull Chassis Reinforcement, Weight Reductions, and Engine Tunes off at will, so we need to standardize at least those three tune areas.

Guess I misread that at first, you want polls for all car, HP, and weight... but same applies, that just moves the bar a little.

 

[BlueShift]

• Drivetrain: clutch, flywheel, drive shaft, LSD, and transmission left stock. (or pick 1 from this category, no FC transmission, only 5/6 speed close optioned)
• Fully Customized Suspension (it is a tuning challenge...)

FC susp/FC LSD/FC tranny/FC aero/any clutch ("FC") and flywheel ("FC") and I'd agree.

Like... FC cars.

Get some HP or not, some weigth or not, I don't care. But don't remove FC parts. Afterall, it's your problem if you choose a -/20 aero on a 300HP car.

Removing all those parts makes nothing but a tuning susp competition.

 

[MiniVanMan]

I like Budious' Stage idea.

Pick a car, pick a stage, then tune. That pretty much covers weight and power right there.

Then the tuners can apply other mods as they see fit to extract as much performance as possible.

I have a question for the real experts here (I'm just an amateur, and barely at that).

In the real world, there's a great argument for naturally aspirated cars because of their wider torque and power bands. Has that transferred over to the game? Because I'm just seeing more horsepower, more horsepower, and more horsepower ruling the day. I know previous version of GT allowed you to go either route, but not this one.

For example, in the real world (and this may purely be preference), for a street modded car, I'd rather have 200 N/A hp than 225 FI hp (car and engine being equal), just because of the type of driving.

 

[Adrenaline]

The definition of 'moderate' is definitely up for discussion and debate, I kinda just filled in the blank for the time being, as I feel 'moderate' will change based on every car.

As for Jeramy, the deadline is 1 week from today for drivers. 7 days 10 hours and 32 minutes from right now.

I was thinking of letting the 5th place tuner, chose next months 'category' of cars, as there's no real system set up, any other ideas? I don't want to make a bunch of polls to get to the final poll.

 

[VTiRoj]

The definition of 'moderate' is definitely up for discussion and debate, I kinda just filled in the blank for the time being, as I feel 'moderate' will change based on every car.

As for Jeramy, the deadline is 1 week from today for drivers. 7 days 10 hours and 32 minutes from right now.

I was thinking of letting the 5th place tuner, chose next months 'category' of cars, as there's no real system set up, any other ideas? I don't want to make a bunch of polls to get to the final poll.

Lets say the car comes stock with 300bhp and maxes at 500bhp. I'd say moderate is around 400bhp, maybe less.

That's quite an interesting idea. It would make people feel less bad about coming in 5th, since it means they get to choose next months' category. 👍

 

[budious]

So he only drives in 5th place and then has the extra benefit of being flamed for his choice of cars put up for vote when we balk at his Fiat... brilliant!

 

[Adrenaline]

So he only drives in 5th place and then has the extra benefit of being flamed for his choice of cars put up for vote when we balk at his Fiat... brilliant!

On second thought... How about if we all start creating 'divisions' of groups of cars. Any that you'd be interested in tuning/driving such as american muscle, GT500, GT300, JGT, DTM whatever it is. Come up with 11 'categories' and then we have 1 for each month, that was decided on 'as a group', then the 5th place chooses their choice of pre-determined groups.

Pick a 'category' and include 5-10 cars that fall into said category.
We choose 11 categories that will last us through the year. The order we do them in, will be decided by the 5th place tuner of each previous month, and the car/hp will be decided by everyone via a poll similar to last months.

 

[MiniVanMan]

On second thought... How about if we all start creating 'divisions' of groups of cars. Any that you'd be interested in tuning/driving such as american muscle, GT500, GT300, JGT, DTM whatever it is. Come up with 11 'categories' and then we have 1 for each month, that was decided on 'as a group', then the 5th place chooses their choice of pre-determined groups.

Pick a 'category' and include 5-10 cars that fall into said category.
We choose 11 categories that will last us through the year. The order we do them in, will be decided by the 5th place tuner of each previous month, and the car/hp will be decided by everyone via a poll similar to last months.

Not complicated enough.

I think we need to have subcategories within the categories, each subcategory having the 5-10 cars, then the odd number placers vote on the category and the even number placers vote on the subcategory, then the driver that posted the best time from the month before holds veto power over the final choice, but only one veto to keep things from becoming too complicated. Once the final choice of car is determined, then hp and weight will be determined by an algorithm using factors from the previous months tunes, and tuner preferences that will determine the perfect power to weight ratio to create the most fair and balanced power to weight ratio to keep the tunes all within .5 seconds of each other.

See, THAT'S how you do it. 💡

 

[budious]

Not complicated enough.

I think we need to have subcategories within the categories, each subcategory having the 5-10 cars, then the odd number placers vote on the category and the even number placers vote on the subcategory, then the driver that posted the best time from the month before holds veto power over the final choice, but only one veto to keep things from becoming too complicated. Once the final choice of car is determined, then hp and weight will be determined by an algorithm using factors from the previous months tunes, and tuner preferences that will determine the perfect power to weight ratio to create the most fair and balanced power to weight ratio to keep the tunes all within .5 seconds of each other.

See, THAT'S how you do it. 💡

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

We don't need the 5th place tuner idea, just put up a category poll for the first 20 days of the month, then put up the cars and tune options for the last 10 days of the month. Simple.

 

[pHLo]

On second thought... How about if we all start creating 'divisions' of groups of cars. Any that you'd be interested in tuning/driving such as american muscle, GT500, GT300, JGT, DTM whatever it is. (...)

here's a list of such divisions:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159182

nice idea in general, but most of these divisions contain almost exclusively Standard Cars which will be a big problem for tuners and drivers

maybe we should consider prize cars (List: http://www.mygranturismo.net/eventlist.php ) or Cars from the Online UCD, since there are always a bunch of cars that belong to a certain group
problem with the OUCD is the limited availabilty

 

[budious]

The standard models do pose availability problems unless it's some of those that pop up 20 times a week on average. The premiums are more accessible for all us.

I don't think the category vote really needs to be more specific than perhaps:

• Country of Origin
• Drivetrain: FF, FR, MR, RR, 4WD
• Era: Pre-1970; 1970-1979; 1980-1989; 1990-1999; Post-2000

Then we could find a short list of preferred cars from those criteria.

 

[BlueShift]

+5% of total hp of ballast (in kg) for the 1st leader
+4% of total hp of ballast for the 2nd leader
+3% of total hp of ballast for the 3rd leader
+2% of total hp of ballast for the 4th leader
+1% of total hp of ballast for the 5th leader
+0% for the others.

 

[budious]

+5% of total hp of ballast (in kg) for the 1st leader
+4% of total hp of ballast for the 2nd leader
+3% of total hp of ballast for the 3rd leader
+2% of total hp of ballast for the 4th leader
+1% of total hp of ballast for the 5th leader
+0% for the others.

What does that hope to accomplish?

How about just use power limiter and stick them all on 200HP of their available 530HP...

 

[BlueShift]

The same limiter as Super GT/KGTC.

Power limiter why not. But ballast have to be set "somewhere" (front, rear), it's harder to setup : the more tuning option, the more it's difficult to setup, the less randomish are the results.

 

[VTiRoj]

+5% of total hp of ballast (in kg) for the 1st leader
+4% of total hp of ballast for the 2nd leader
+3% of total hp of ballast for the 3rd leader
+2% of total hp of ballast for the 4th leader
+1% of total hp of ballast for the 5th leader
+0% for the others.

If we were racing, sure, but this is a tuning event. Why would this be needed?

 

[BlueShift]

If we were racing, sure

We are : what is the compare index ? Best time around a track.

 

[VTiRoj]

We are : what is the compare index ? Best time around a track.

It's still not a race. It's a time trial using multiple drivers per car to find a good average time for each car. The "best" car is the one which has the fastest average speed. If you use a ballast penalty system, you wont find the best car because the results wouldn't be on a level playing field.