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[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Well Top Gear did give you an idea of how loud it was. I would say that it wouldn't really be a family car, sport suspension, overly loud, etc.

Yeah cause sticking microphones next to the exhausts gives you an amazing idea how loud a car is inside .

I guess someone who's bought a 520D is laughing at all these people who have bought M3's,M5's,RS4's,RS6's,E63's,C63's etc as they have a better family car

 

[Joey D]

I'm going to say that just because you can, doesn't mean you should, nor does it make it a good idea.

Ya that's a good point. Don't 911 have four seats? Doesn't exactly inspire to be a family car though.

Yeah cause sticking microphones next to the exhausts gives you an amazing idea how loud a car is inside .

I was talking about the lap they showed.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I was talking about the lap they showed.

yeah again thats outside the car since when did the people in the car have to worry about what it sounded like outside? also plenty of times in the review,when hammond is cruising and not driving flat out there is no supercharger whine.

 

[Joey D]

yeah again thats outside the car since when did the people in the car have to worry about what it sounded like outside? also plenty of times in the review,when hammond is cruising and not driving flat out there is no supercharger whine.

I don't know I can here my measly little engine in my car, I would have to imagine something larger, with a supercharger is louder inside. Especially if it's anything like the G8 we got here which had less than impressive sound deadening.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

It doesn't matter what the car has or what it is, the fact is that a supercharger whine alone can kill any practicality the car may have.

But it doesn't how many people do you know own a Mercedes kompressor and i'm pretty sure the Mini Cooper S wasn't exactly a failure therefore your claim of a supercharger whine killing practicality goes out of the window as plenty of people own them,

Do you really think a wife & children are going to enjoy a road trip when their only car capable of seating them & their equipment is going to be throwing out this annoyingly loud whine for 2 hours? It's a slim chance in hell & that's not even going into how the car handles over certain conditions.

It isn't loud all of the time if you've driven one you would know that and again you said you've never driven one so im guessing you therefore know every aspect of the cars handling.

You're forgetting it has a supercharger. Get your knowledge together & learn that it only takes 1 major addition to a car to kill what it's designed to do, esp. a car marketing itself for a family.

Last time i checked i worked for Vauxhall and Chevrolet so i suspect i would have a fair idea on the car thanks.

The Volvo S80 & my 5 Series will always be more practical than the Bathurst S. Always for 1 simple fact. They don't have a whine coming from them.

Actually the VXR-8 has more interior and boot space than the S80 therefore is more practical.

 

[McLaren]

Yeah cause sticking microphones next to the exhausts gives you an amazing idea how loud a car is inside .

Sorry, wrong again. I've heard superchargers like that & it doesn't matter how close a mic is or isn't, they are loud.

Hell, I just spent 2 minutes watching the review again. And I heard the supercharger every single time they did a fly by or an in-car shot of Hammond.
It was only quiet when Hammond was just cruising, but I still heard the humming sound of the supercharger.

I guess someone who's bought a 520D is laughing at all these people who have bought M3's,M5's,RS4's,RS6's,E63's,C63's etc as they have a better family car

These cars aren't in the current discussion, but they do make better family cars (bar the M3) than Bathurst S for 1 simple reason. They don't emit a whine. Get it through your head.

But it doesn't how many people do you know own a Mercedes kompressor and i'm pretty sure the Mini Cooper S wasn't exactly a failure therefore your claim of a supercharger whine killing practicality goes out of the window as plenty of people own them

Except for the fact that Mercedes & BMW engineered these cars so the supercharger doesn't emit a whine. It also helps that BMW & Mercedes don't use Roots-type superchargers which are ungodly loud.

Vauxhall did. That's the difference. Kompressor models aren't loud, the Bathurst S is.

It isn't loud all of the time if you've driven one you would know that and again you said you've never driven one so im guessing you therefore know every aspect of the cars handling.

I don't have to. I saw the Top Gear episode for myself. The lowest pitch it emits is a humming sound. Even that is annoying.

Have you even driven one?

Last time i checked i worked for Vauxhall and Chevrolet so i suspect i would have a fair idea on the car thanks.

You don't have any idea. I can tell from your posts.

Actually the VXR-8 has more interior and boot space than the S80 therefore is more practical.

The S80 doesn't emit a whine. Therefore, it is more practical.

You can have a car as large as the A8, 7 Series, or S-Class. It only takes a loud supercharger to kill any sort of practicality they had because most people do not want that sound.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Sorry, wrong again. I've heard superchargers like that & it doesn't matter how close a mic is or isn't, they are loud.

Hell, I just spent 2 minutes watching the review again. And I heard the supercharger every single time they did a fly by or an in-car shot of Hammond.
It was only quiet when Hammond was just cruising, but I still heard the humming sound of the supercharger.

These cars aren't in the current discussion, but they do make better family cars (bar the M3) than Bathurst S for 1 simple reason. They don't emit a whine. Get it through your head.

How do you know they make better family cars just because they don't make a whine,just because you don't like doesn't mean the car is not practical.

I suppose you know exactly what supercharger is on the Bathurst S along with the supporting modifications to know that it will always be that loud?
There was several times when the camera was in the car when hammond was cruising when you couldn't hear the whine but again i guess you've driven the car to know better?

Vauxhall did. That's the difference. Kompressor models aren't loud, the Bathurst S is.

Vauxhall didn't, Walkinshaw Performance did.

I don't have to. I saw the Top Gear episode for myself. The lowest pitch it emits is a humming sound. Even that is annoying.

you might wanna get your speakers checked cause at 1:40 you can't hear any whine

You don't have any idea. I can tell from your posts.

more of an idea than you considering the car isn't for sale in america

The S80 doesn't emit a whine. Therefore, it is more practical.

You can have a car as large as the A8, 7 Series, or S-Class. It only takes a loud supercharger to kill any sort of practicality they had because most people do not want that sound.

If they didn't want it they wouldn't buy it and the S80 has a smaller boot and interior space therefore isn't as practical for transporting people and thier luggage around as well as a VXR-8.

 

[McLaren]

How do you know they make better family cars just because they don't make a whine,just because you don't like doesn't mean the car is not practical.

Putting words in my mouth again.

I never said I don't like it, but the car isn't practical because of supercharger alone. Families do not want to ride in cars where there's a constant hum or a low pitch whine coming out at all times. It's annoying.

I suppose you know exactly what supercharger is on the Bathurst S along with the supporting modifications to know that it will always be that loud?

I do. Read above. It's a Roots-type supercharger; pretty much, the loudest supercharger types around.

There was several times when the camera was in the car when hammond was cruising when you couldn't hear the whine but again i guess you've driven the car to know better?

I don't have to drive the car. I watched the same video; there is a hum or low-pitch whine coming from the cockpit.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Putting words in my mouth again.

I never said I don't like it, but the car isn't practical because of supercharger alone. Families do not want to ride in cars where there's a constant hum or a low pitch whine coming out at all times. It's annoying.

I'm not putting any words in your mouth but you are saying it's annoying but i know plenty of people who have supercharged cars but because you think it's annoying doesn't mean it is annoying.

I do. Read above. It's a Roots-type supercharger; pretty much, the loudest supercharger types around.

So you have heard that exact supercharger with exactly the same supporting modifications in real life to know how loud it is,and what would that be on then?

I don't have to drive the car. I watched the same video; there is a hum or low-pitch whine coming from the cockpit.

Erm, yes you would as in a video such as top gear they would adjust the sounds to make it sound more sporty and louder than it really is,go and have a look at the goodwood supercar run on youtube,the focus RS that was there was louder than the bathurst s so i suppose that makes the focus rs a rubbish car then.

 

[McLaren]

How do you know they make better family cars just because they don't make a whine,just because you don't like doesn't mean the car is not practical.

Supercharger whines are not practical. That's a fact.

Vauxhall didn't, Walkinshaw Performance did.

Regardless, that is still the difference.

you might wanna get your speakers checked cause at 1:40 you can't hear any whine

Because 1:40 into the program, he's driving the Audi.

more of an idea than you considering the car isn't for sale in america

And now the little excuses come up. Here, I wanna play this game, too.

I have a practical car, 2 in fact. Do you? No? By your logic, I have more of an idea on a practical car, then.

If they didn't want it they wouldn't buy it and the S80 has a smaller boot and interior space therefore isn't as practical for transporting people and thier luggage around as well as a VXR-8.

Transporting people & their luggage loses any ground for a debate when they have to listen to a supercharger.

I'll take the S80 if that's what it takes to keep from spending 30 minutes in a car that screams at me.

I'm not putting any words in your mouth but you are saying it's annoying but i know plenty of people who have supercharged cars but because you think it's annoying doesn't mean it is annoying.

Let me guess. The superchargers are aftermarket & their cars aren't built to be practical to begin with.

I have friends like that as well, but that's a completely different situation.

So you have heard that exact supercharger with exactly the same supporting modifications in real life to know how loud it is,and what would that be on then?

I don't have to hear the exact same setup to know a Roots supercharger is loud. That's not rocket science.

Erm, yes you would as in a video such as top gear they would adjust the sounds to make it sound more sporty and louder than it really is,go and have a look at the goodwood supercar run on youtube,the focus RS that was there was louder than the bathurst s so i suppose that makes the focus rs a rubbish car then.

Ah, the next excuse. It's a video so it doesn't represent the real sound. Sorry, but personal knowledge of Roots-Superchargers again, tell me their loud whether you see them on TV or in person.

 

[orimarc]

(...)supercharger whine alone(...)

Hehehe...

*revs up engine*

*expects typical supercharger sound*

*supercharger whines*:
"You stupid piece of 🤬, you fueled with DIESEL! What the hell is wrong with you? And change the goddamn oil, it looks like freaking liquid 🤬!"

*freaks out*

 

[Roo]

go and have a look at the goodwood supercar run on youtube,the focus RS that was there was louder than the bathurst s so i suppose that makes the focus rs a rubbish car then.

As someone who was actually at Goodwood and heard it in person, I can confirm that the supercharger whine is louder than the engine from 10 yards away when the car is moving, and it's the same story standing next to the car when it's running. I can't imagine it being any quieter inside the car, but I haven't experienced that.

As for the RS that was at Goodwood, that RS had had extra holes drilled into it to make it sound more like the WRC car. Not all RSs are that loud.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Supercharger whines are not practical. That's a fact.

It's not a fact.

Because 1:40 into the program, he's driving the Audi.

Not if you look at the bathurst review on youtube rather than your torrent download no doubt your watching.

And now the little excuses come up. Here, I wanna play this game, too.

I have a practical car, 2 in fact. Do you? No? By your logic, I have more of an idea on a practical car, then.

And you know what cars i own how? last time i checked you don't know what i own.

Transporting people & their luggage loses any ground for a debate when they have to listen to a supercharger.

I'll take the S80 if that's what it takes to keep from spending 30 minutes in a car that screams at me.

Would you buy a car if you didn't want to listen to the whine? and it doesn't whine when its cruising if you looked at other videos of the VXR-8 bathurst s and the the VXR-8 supercharged you would see this or should that be hear it.

Let me guess. The superchargers are aftermarket & their cars aren't built to be practical to begin with.

I have friends like that as well, but that's a completely different situation.

No most of them came stock and if you got your "facts" right you would discover than on the bathurst the supercharger doesn't come stock it is in fact an option.

I don't have to hear the exact same setup to know a Roots supercharger is loud. That's not rocket science.

so you haven't heard in it in real life to know how loud it is?

Ah, the next excuse. It's a video so it doesn't represent the real sound. Sorry, but personal knowledge of Roots-Superchargers again, tell me their loud whether you see them on TV or in person.

No excuse at all,you've never heard this car in real life.

 

[Jondot]

...why are you both arguing about whiney superchargers? Look at the thing!

It's a £44,000 560hp RWD muscle car. It wasn't exactly a Renault Espace to begin with, was it?

 

[McLaren]

It's not a fact.

Sorry, but it is. There's no debate here.

Not if you look at the bathurst review on youtube rather than your torrent download no doubt your watching.

You didn't say that. And I watched the entire review. Even in the lowest of RPMs, there is a hum.

And you know what cars i own how? last time i checked you don't know what i own.

I also wasn't serious. I was making fun of your idiotic logic.

Would you buy a car if you didn't want to listen to the whine?

Uh, duuuh.

and it doesn't whine when its cruising if you looked at other videos of the VXR-8 bathurst s and the the VXR-8 supercharged you would see this or should that be hear it.

It still makes a hum as heard in the review. But, I guess Top Gear just places in those sound effects.

No most of them came stock

But their cars aren't made to be practical to begin with like I said. Point proven.

and if you got your "facts" right you would discover than on the bathurst the supercharger doesn't come stock it is in fact an option.

The Bathurst S, the car in question, does come with the supercharger stock. We are not talking about other models.

so you haven't heard in it in real life to know how loud it is?

I don't need to. I've heard the car on Top Gear & I've heard a Roots supercharger. That's enough for anyone to draw conclusion. Roo also confirms this.

As someone who was actually at Goodwood and heard it in person, I can confirm that the supercharger whine is louder than the engine from 10 yards away when the car is moving, and it's the same story standing next to the car when it's running. I can't imagine it being any quieter inside the car, but I haven't experienced that.

But then again, Roo doesn't work with Vauxhall, so he wouldn't know as you told me.

No excuse at all,you've never heard this car in real life.

Read above.

Oh BTW, I love how Roo also shot a hole in your RS point

As for the RS that was at Goodwood, that RS had had extra holes drilled into it to make it sound more like the WRC car. Not all RSs are that loud.

Exactly as I thought.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Sorry, but it is. There's no debate here.

If it's a fact prove it,bit hard because there's so many cooper s's out there and mercedes's with superchargers so i suppose those aren't practical and noone ever bought them?

You didn't say that. And I watched the entire review. Even in the lowest of RPMs, there is a hum.

No there isn't

I also wasn't serious. I was making fun of your idiotic logic and your logic is rather idiotic too as your claiming your opinions as fact.

you love breaking the aup don't you

It still makes a hum as heard in the review. But, I guess Top Gear just places in those sound effects.

im sure you can get a hearing test at some point

But their cars aren't made to be practical to begin with like I said. Point proven.

And you know everyone i know who has a supercharged car and asked them if they thought it was practical? well done on that one but i would suspect you are lieing there because you don't know them.

I don't need to. I've heard the car on Top Gear & I know that a Roots supercharger is loud. Roo also confirms this.

But you've never heard it in real life and no doubt never will

But then again, Roo doesn't work with Vauxhall, so he wouldn't know as you told me.

The car was no doubt under full throttle most of the time we were talking about when the car is crusing and therefore not under full throttle when the whine isn't intrusive.

Oh BTW, I love how Roo also shot a hole in your RS point

Exactly as I thought.

Actually the Focus RS had a focus exhaust which is aftermarket which the exhaust on the VXR-8 bathurst is also as it's something you can't get from vauxhall,if you tried to get one from vauxhall you would be told to contact ether walkinshaw performance or triple 8.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

If the whine is too loud, just turn up the music.

 

[Joey D]

If it's a fact prove it,bit hard because there's so many cooper s's out there and mercedes's with superchargers so i suppose those aren't practical and noone ever bought them?

Cooper S's aren't overly practical to be honest, they are still the size of a shoe.

 

[McLaren]

If it's a fact prove it,bit hard because there's so many cooper s's out there and mercedes's with superchargers so i suppose those aren't practical and noone ever bought them?

I'm talking about supercharger whines. The whines that come from them are not practical. End of discussion.

No there isn't.

There is. I can hear it.

you love breaking the aup don't you

Children.

But you've never heard it in real life and no doubt never will

But Roo has & he agrees; it is loud. Get over it.

The car was no doubt under full throttle most of the time we were talking about when the car is crusing and therefore not under full throttle when the whine isn't intrusive.

Roo said standing next to it, it is loud at idle. If it's loud at idle RPM, chances are it's loud at a 1-3K.

Actually the Focus RS had a focus exhaust which is aftermarket

I like how you suddenly knew that.

the focus RS that was there was louder than the bathurst s so i suppose that makes the focus rs a rubbish car then.

You tried to instigate that the Focus RS was louder stock than the Bathurst S, but after Roo pointed out the holes, you knew it wasn't.

You fail. 👎

which the exhaust on the VXR-8 bathurst is also as it's something you can't get from vauxhall,if you tried to get one from vauxhall you would be told to contact ether walkinshaw performance or triple 8.

We were talking about Bathurst S, nothing else. Now, you're attempting to change the cars in question so you don't look like a fool.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Cooper S's aren't overly practical to be honest, they are still the size of a shoe.

but is it unpractical solely because of the supercharger which is the bases of mclaren arguement that all supercharged cars are unpractical.

I'm talking about supercharger whines. The whines that come from them are not practical. End of discussion.

Thats your opinion it is not a fact

There is. I can hear it.

Again hearing test maybe also have a look on the interweb at other VXR-8 Supercharged and VXR-8 Bathurst S's you will hear there is no whine when cruising.

Children.

If you are refering to me then it would be child and no children as i am one person.

But Roo has & he agrees; it is loud. Get over it.

But that's roo's opinion isn't it?

Roo said standing next to it, it is loud at idle. If it's loud at idle RPM, chances are it's loud at a 1-3K.

Noone made any comments on it idleing did they?

I like how you suddenly knew that.

i did know that it was reported on several car sites that it had a mountune exhaust on it.

You tried to instigate that the Focus RS was louder stock than the Bathurst S, but after Roo pointed out the holes, you knew it wasn't.

You fail. 👎

Fail at what? the VXR-8 exhaust is an option even on the S if you would do your research you will also see the mountune exhaust for the focus rs is also an option at selected ford dealers the same with the exhaust on the VXR-8 Bathurst S, Look on the mountune site.

We were talking about Bathurst S, nothing else. Now, you're attempting to change the cars in question so you don't look like a fool.

Erm i am talking about the Bathurst S?

 

[McLaren]

Shame I've had to delete a chunk of your post, but all it does is force me to repeat myself while you continue to attempt to turn words around. And don't bother a response to this; I will delete it because chances are, it'll be a stupid smartass remark.

But that's roo's opinion isn't it?

It's loud for a car. There's no other way around it. Give up.

Noone made any comments on it idleing did they?

How else did Roo stand by it?

i did know that it was reported on several car sites that it had a mountune exhaust on it.

Should have said that earlier, then, before you made yourself look silly.

Erm i am talking about the Bathurst S?

You keep trying to bring up more basic VRX-8 models so you don't look wrong. A bit late....

 

[orimarc]

It's a £44,000 560hp RWD muscle car.

To McLaren and Holdenhsvgtsr:

Look at it. You see that? If I wanted to buy one of those is because it's got the same "speed/usefulness" as a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo, but RWD and more...
[Jeremy Clarkson]
POWAAAAH!!!
[/Jeremy Clarhson]

If you want a quiet 4-door saloon, buy a quiet 4-door saloon.

 

[Perfect Balance]

Thats your opinion it is not a fact

Not really. Think about it. How in the world is it an opinion that a noisy car is unpractical as a family sedan?


If what he is saying is an opinion, then that means someone, somewhere, has to think that the supercharger whine is a great idea for a practical family car.

Yeah. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

 

[PureAwesomeness]

Not really. Think about it. How in the world is it an opinion that a noisy car is unpractical as a family sedan?


If what he is saying is an opinion, then that means someone, somewhere, has to think that the supercharger whine is a great idea for a practical family car.

Yeah. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

What about if your family are deaf?

 

[Perfect Balance]

Well then it doesn't matter and thus does not apply.

 

[drvac]

Because 1:40 into the program, he's driving the Audi.

isn't that the new audi s4 which has a supercharger? it seemed quiet to me

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Not really. Think about it. How in the world is it an opinion that a noisy car is unpractical as a family sedan?


If what he is saying is an opinion, then that means someone, somewhere, has to think that the supercharger whine is a great idea for a practical family car.

Yeah. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it?

It is an opinion because one person may think it is unpractical for a family sedan, while another person may think that it's better than the sound of their kids whining.

 

[Paulie]

I think the supercharger whine is a great idea for a practical family car, my kids will grow up loving and being around the sound of performance cars. (I bet the kids will love it too when Dad pins it and throws them back in their seats ) Muting out the kids whining as ROAD_DOGG33J said is good too.
See, there's my opinion, therefore McLaren's view is not fact, because someone in the world views it differently. The VXR8 makes a great car for the family with a rev head father, an even better car for the guy with lots of friends, and better again for the guy that just likes beating up on sports cars with a big sedan that costs less.

 

[McLaren]

I think the supercharger whine is a great idea for a practical family car, my kids will grow up loving and being around the sound of performance cars. (I bet the kids will love it too when Dad pins it and throws them back in their seats ) Muting out the kids whining as ROAD_DOGG33J said is good too.
See, there's my opinion, therefore McLaren's view is not fact, because someone in the world views it differently.

Except for what you just stated has not happened, thus you have nothing to form the opinion upon. You don't have kids, so you can't say they'll like it; they're not born & you can't predict their traits.

The VXR8 makes a great car for the family with a rev head father, an even better car for the guy with lots of friends, and better again for the guy that just likes beating up on sports cars with a big sedan that costs less.

A rev head father does not make up the family.
Friends do not make up your family.
And the latter has nothing to do with a family.

Your post is nothing but irrelevant to a now-dead conversation.

 

[Paulie]

Except for what you just stated has not happened, thus you have nothing to form the opinion upon. You don't have kids, so you can't say they'll like it; they're not born & you can't predict their traits.

A rev head father does not make up the family.
Friends do not make up your family.
And the latter has nothing to do with a family.

Your post is nothing but irrelevant to a now-dead conversation.

All I heard was
"Oh noes his viewpoint doesn't agree with mine so I'll just make out like his is wrong".
Not everyone views the world like you do, get over it. I know a number of families with fast and loud cars, so your argument of me not having kids is just irrelevant anyway.