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All I heard was
"Oh noes his viewpoint doesn't agree with mine so I'll just make out like his is wrong".
Not everyone views the world like you do, get over it. I know a number of families with fast and loud cars, so your argument of me not having kids is just irrelevant anyway.
Your post isn't wrong, it just doesn't hold any ground to your claims. Perhaps when you stop imitating holden for a second, you'll learn to bring something relevant to support your opinion instead of posting a bunch of useless & non-existent points.

But as I already said, you're bringing a up reply to conversation that is over with. 2 key words that should tell you to just stop where you are as we already have.
 
See, you "say" it doesn't hold any ground, but that really is just you "saying" that. Whatever, I've seen enough of your posting habits now to simply click ignore.
 
That Scottish lad is even more stubborn here than in youtube. :odd: But, I agree with McLaren.. Practical family cars are safe, comfortable and quiet enough to get the little ones fall asleep after few minutes of driving. VXR8 is anything else but this.
 
See, you "say" it doesn't hold any ground, but that really is just you "saying" that. Whatever, I've seen enough of your posting habits now to simply click ignore.
It doesn't. You can't comment on your kids liking it because you don't have any & then you bring up 3 different men & why they like it when none of that has to do with the car not/being a practical family car.

You're obviously just posting dribble because you have no clue what's going on. And please, go ahead & ignore. It's 1 less post of yours that I have to facepalm at.
 
That Scottish lad is even more stubborn here than in youtube. :odd: But, I agree with McLaren.. Practical family cars are safe, comfortable and quiet enough to get the little ones fall asleep after few minutes of driving. VXR8 is anything else but this.

I see, so then all diesels are completely out of the question, too noisy (even a V8 with a sports exhaust is quieter as it gently thrums away at cruising speeds as opposed to all the diesels I've driven), as are all hyrbids and small hatches, too small inside to comfortably fit the teenagers in the back with the other kids. That leaves minivans and petrol powered larger vehicles like the Camry. Jeez, sucks for the car enthusiast who can only afford one car.:rolleyes:
 
I see, so then all diesels are completely out of the question, too noisy, as are all hyrbids and small hatches, too small inside to comfortably fit the teenagers in the back with the other kids. That leaves minivans and petrol powered larger vehicles like the Camry. Jeez, sucks for the car enthusiast who can only afford one car.:rolleyes:
You completely took his post out of context. 👎
 
I see, so then all diesels are completely out of the question, too noisy (even a V8 with a sports exhaust is quieter as it gently thrums away at cruising speeds as opposed to all the diesels I've driven), as are all hyrbids and small hatches, too small inside to comfortably fit the teenagers in the back with the other kids. That leaves minivans and petrol powered larger vehicles like the Camry. Jeez, sucks for the car enthusiast who can only afford one car.:rolleyes:

Diesels are noisy? Ya maybe diesel pickups, but diesel cars aren't any louder then their petrol equivalent for the most part.
 
I see, so then all diesels are completely out of the question, too noisy, as are all hyrbids and small hatches, too small inside to comfortably fit the teenagers in the back with the other kids. That leaves minivans and petrol powered larger vehicles like the Camry. Jeez, sucks for the car enthusiast who can only afford one car.:rolleyes:

When was the last time you heard modern turbodiesel? they're hardly louder than petrol engines especially when you're inside the car that has one. and I'm sorry to hear that Australian model lineup is THAT narrow, despite all those manufacturers out there.
 
When was the last time you heard modern turbodiesel? they're hardly louder than petrol engines especially when you're inside the car that has one. and I'm sorry to hear that Australian model lineup is THAT narrow, despite all those manufacturers out there.

Err, turbo diesel Focus and Mondeos, on and off for the past year and a half of my life?:odd: Working at a car dealership has its perks, like being able to present facts vs internet people's opinions.

Edit: :lol:, I was just looking back at McLaren's argument with Holdenhsvgtsr, and from what I can see, Holden was right and McLaren just keeps repeatedly getting jarted over this issue. When ever somebody brings truth to the argument, he just dismisses it as dribble with out any real material to argue with. Why is it that McLaren only ever comes here to argue, and fail miserably at it?
 
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It doesn't. You can't comment on your kids liking it because you don't have any & then you bring up 3 different men & why they like it when none of that has to do with the car not/being a practical family car.

You're obviously just posting dribble because you have no clue what's going on. And please, go ahead & ignore. It's 1 less post of yours that I have to facepalm at.

Ok...I'm not going to directly disagree with you - because reading from past posts, I can see that you hold firm with you opinions.

I'm sorry - but I have never come aross a car enthusiastic child (and admittedly - there are alot of them) who doesn't like the sound of an engine. And for the ones that don't, the thing is so lazy in normal traffic mode that the engine barely goes above 2000rpm. It idles (literally) on motorways.

Another thing - apart from the engine, the Commedore is an extremely practical car. It was designed for working Australians. Working Australians have kids. I bet you bottom dollar that practicality was in the top 3 most important things on the design brief. And I'm sorry - but do you even know how popular the clubbie (er...sorry...VXR8) is downunder? Men swoon for them. Now why's this? because they have families. Think of it as the family man's porsche. Honestly - I'd say 90% of HSVs in Australia are bought because it's a fast car that can carry the family. Single men don't drive HSVs. They drive european equivalents. Why? because it's bigger and that means less parking spaces are available.

The engine can be practical aswell. Alot of people here drive many miles on a highway to get to work. What is more economical? The Prius or the HSV?
Now before you say anything about how the VXR8 is only relevent to the Australian market because of the roads and weather - All capital cities are exactly the same as the rest of the world - with pretty much the same weather and traffic congestion. Holden took all of this into account when designing the HSV so that it was still be practical while being fast.

While the HSV isn't the MOST practical car for a family - it sure beats most of the competition for speed and practicallity.

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Ok...I'm not going to directly disagree with you - because reading from past posts, I can see that you hold firm with you opinions.

I'm sorry - but I have never come aross a car enthusiastic child (and admittedly - there are alot of them) who doesn't like the sound of an engine. And for the ones that don't, the thing is so lazy in normal traffic mode that the engine barely goes above 2000rpm. It idles (literally) on motorways.
Well, note that you said "a car enthusiastic child". Have you ever though, come across a kid that doesn't? By all means, I'm not saying you're wrong, but I do know there are children who would find the Bathurst S supercharger's whine annoying.

Another thing - apart from the engine, the Commedore is an extremely practical car. It was designed for working Australians. Working Australians have kids. I bet you bottom dollar that practicality was in the top 3 most important things on the design brief. And I'm sorry - but do you even know how popular the clubbie (er...sorry...VXR8) is downunder? Men swoon for them. Now why's this? because they have families. Think of it as the family man's porsche. Honestly - I'd say 90% of HSVs in Australia are bought because it's a fast car that can carry the family. Single men don't drive HSVs. They drive european equivalents. Why? because it's bigger and that means less parking spaces are available.

The engine can be practical aswell. Alot of people here drive many miles on a highway to get to work. What is more economical? The Prius or the HSV?
Now before you say anything about how the VXR8 is only relevent to the Australian market because of the roads and weather - All capital cities are exactly the same as the rest of the world - with pretty much the same weather and traffic congestion. Holden took all of this into account when designing the HSV so that it was still be practical while being fast.

While the HSV isn't the MOST practical car for a family - it sure beats most of the competition for speed and practicallity.
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See, this is fine, but you're speaking about "lower" class models. I already know the Commedore & VRX8 make good practical cars.

What the debate was about though was the Bathurst S, & only that specific model. While the VRX8 may make a good, practical family car, it only takes the addition of the supercharger's whine that is on the Bathurst S to completely kill that idea. That is my whole point; it only take 1 thing to make a practical car, unpractical.

If you want to buy a VXR8 that'll be great for the family, hold plenty of luggage, & so forth, then personal experience tells me that anything but the Bathurst S will do that job.
 
Mmmmmm hmmmmm, just listen to the absence of any loud whine on this 9sec supercharged V8. Additionally, how relatively quiet it is off throttle.



So that dismisses all superchargers as being the problem by the logic this argument has used so far. Now let's see if we can't get a VXR8 Bathurst S without the mics placed right beside the exhaust pipe and engine bay, a Bathurst S that doesn't have the bi-modal exhaust system on "loud" setting, a Bathurst S that isn't constantly drifting around at 4,000+rpm. A Bathurst S that doesn't have the optional sports exhaust even if you like...........

Edit: Hey look, here's another supercharged VXR8 without the conveniently placed mics, and by the sound of it, no optional sports exhaust.

What's that Skip? You can barely hear any supercharger whine even at higher rpm? Yet McLaren will still come in and somehow make out these videos "don't hold ground"?
 
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Okay, this thread is going in circles at present.

I've read both sides of this and can understand the frustrations you are both feeling in trying to get your point across. Now others have come along and added their 2 pence and we're back in a loop.

As there are currently no new Top Gear episodes being aired this thread is taking a brief cooling off spell.
 
SBS, in Australia, just played the first episode of season 13. Great episode to kick off with. I mean the Stig was a big faked, but still the interview was funny. The 1940's race was fantastic. I can't wait for the next six episodes to come on. The start package looks interesting.
 
First Doctor Who were down the road, and now I find out TopGear weren't too far away either :grumpy:
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Top Gear show drops in for secret episode in Neath
Saturday, September 19, 2009, 12:00Comment on this story

VINTAGE car enthusiasts, look away now.
Motormouth Jeremy Clarkson has left his mark on Neath, and has predictably left a trail of destruction in his wake.
The Top Gear presenter and Richard Hammond have been filming at one of the show's favourite locations, Black Mountain Pass on the west side of the Brecon Beacons.
And although the BBC is staying tight-lipped on what viewers have in store when the show's 14th series airs later this year, the Evening Post has had a sneak peek thanks to Neath mechanic Alan James.
And we have bad news for fans of the Morris Marina.
Alan of AJ Motors, Neath Road, Tonna said: "I was called and hired to go up to where they were filming to pick up two cars.
"The first one was a Lancia, which had been blown to bits with explosives. The second was a Morris Marina, which seems to have had a piano dropped on it. In fact there are bits of piano wedged into the car now, it's in a real state."
The Morris Marina has been a regular victim on Top Gear in recent times.
A survey conducted by Auto Express magazine in August 2006 revealed that just 745 of the 807,000 Marinas sold in Britain are still on the road.
This made it officially the most-scrapped car to have been sold in Britain — a statistic which has not been lost on the show's presenters.
In past episodes James May said that at least one Morris Marina should be kept as a warning from history.
And the team famously enraged members of the Morris Marina owners club after setting fire to one of the few models remaining during one programme.
A barrage of hate mail was sent into the BBC and in a so-called attempt to make amends, the gang purchased another Marina — which then had a piano accidentally fall on it.
Now it seems that lightning has struck twice, because another Marina lies terminally wounded in a Neath garage.
"People have been in to have a look at it," Alan said.
"It's leaking oil.
"To be honest, it's completely destroyed.
"The Lancia was sent straight to the scrapyard and this Marina is off there as well."
He added: "I think he'll have upset a few more of the cars owners after all this."
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Where's Stig book:

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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/25/forget-waldo-bbc-books-coming-out-with-i-wheres-stig-i-for/

Where's Waldo (Wally in the UK?) but Top Gearified!!

(Tried a search, came up with nothing)
 
The Stig seems to be getting everywhere these days. From Stig USB drives, to Race the Stig games and now this ( Where's Stig ). It seems that Stig Mania is running wild.:lol:

By the way, it is Where's Wally in the UK. There was even a TV series, look it up on youtube.
 
I am glad that, they are finally doing a full series in HD. Now all I need to get my Sky HD box fixed, and then I can enjoy Top Gear in HD.
 
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