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[nealcropper]

I was so happy i was jumping in joy when they uploaded in their yt account good thing i'm in Canada because we don't have BBC

Then you cannot watch it.

 

[nealcropper]

BBC don't want to see the number of subscribers grow anymore? That's fine with me.
I'm gonna get a proxy/illegally download videos with uTorrent.

You really think that the BBC care about the number of subs on a website? They are one of the biggest broadcasting companies in the world. YouTube subs are probably at the bottom of their list of cares.

Also you download it illegally, that doesn't bother me in the slightest, more often than not the quality is compromised, or there are stupid adverts on the screen.

EDIT; sorry for the double post.

 

[hardvibes]

You really think that the BBC care about the number of subs on a website? They are one of the biggest broadcasting companies in the world. YouTube subs are probably at the bottom of their list of cares.

They should, because it's over a million.

Also you download it illegally, that doesn't bother me in the slightest, more often than not the quality is compromised, or there are stupid adverts on the screen.

And that's fine with me.
End of discussion.

 

[nealcropper]

They should, because it's over a million.

Have you seen the veiwing figures for the BBC? They have 5 million people watching the 6 o'clock news. That's not even a TV show.

So if there is 5 million people watching the news in the UK on TV's that we actually pay for, and 1 million all over the world subscribed to Top Gear, which would you be more bothered about?

Also when Top Gear airs a show in the UK, 4-5 million people watch every episode. So if they only have 1 millions subs on you tube, then that's pretty low, considering its all the world.

[QUOTE="hardvibes]And that's fine with me.
End of discussion[/QUOTE]

Yes I think it is. I think it was over when you said that would obtain the show illegally. Just because a lot of other people do it, does not mean that it's right. It's theft at the end of the day, what gives you the right (or any other person) to obtain work that people do, for free, that usually people would have to pay for?

 

[Pagey279]

The reason they used YouTube, I think, is because people may have been searching a lot for "Top Gear". So they put past episodes up, but if they had let everyone have access to them, then we in the UK would have gone mental, and pretty understandably. The license fee is quite high, and if you don't pay it, you face charges.

You don't need to pay for a Television licence to watch TG, it's on BBC iPlayer about 1-2 hours after it's aired on BBC 2 when a new series is being broadcast. Also any repeats that are on BBC 2 or 3 are normally on iPlayer too. So it's available throughout the year.

A lot of people wouldn't kick up a fuss, including me, because we can watch it for free anyway.

 

[1241Penguin]

You don't need to pay for a Television licence to watch TG, it's on BBC iPlayer about 1-2 hours after it's aired on BBC 2 when a new series is being broadcast. Also any repeats that are on BBC 2 or 3 are normally on iPlayer too. So it's available throughout the year.

As far as I know, Top Gear in iPlayer is only available in the UK, so if Top Gear acknowledged the existence of iPlayer, then that means that they are uploading episodes for those not in the UK.

 

[Pagey279]

As far as I know, Top Gear in iPlayer is only available in the UK, so if Top Gear acknowledged the existence of iPlayer, then that means that they are uploading episodes for those not in the UK.

Yeah I know, but nealcropper was saying that people in the UK would go mental if people from other countries were able to gain access to TG for free, because we have to pay to watch it. But we don't.

 

[Liquid]

Anybody who can't find complete Top Gear episodes needs to go back to their Internet 101 lessons.

Of course, anybody who can find them knows that it is not within the AUP to talk about doing such a thing, so I shall say no more.

 

[BLJK Ice]

Then you cannot watch it.

I can actually i watched 2 episodes already yesterday.

 

[nealcropper]

Yeah I know, but nealcropper was saying that people in the UK would go mental if people from other countries were able to gain access to TG for free, because we have to pay to watch it. But we don't.

You do, because you live in the UK. You HAVE to pay the TV license, iPlayer is provided by the BBC, which is payed for by the License fee, therefore we pay to watch iPlayer.

Can someone outside the UK access iPlayer? That's a legitimate question, because I don't know.

 

[mattythedog]

Can someone outside the UK access iPlayer? That's a legitimate question, because I don't know.

Nope, not legally anyway. Its one of the things I've been annoyed about when I've gone abroad.

 

[nealcropper]

Nope, not legally anyway. Its one of the things I've been annoyed about when I've gone abroad.

Then why are people not up in arms about not being able to access Top Gear on there?

All that the BBC are doing is trying to keep the people who pay for program's like Top Gear to be made, happy.

It's just another thing for people who love to whinge about stuff, to moan about.


On the iPlayer abroad note. We should have to type our TV license number in if accessing from abroad. That wouldn't stop people who live abroad from getting it though, because some people would just give it out.

 

[Lizard]

Can't wait till the next series. I am missing Top Gear.

 

[nealcropper]

Techncally people are right in complaining.

Why do I need a TV Licence to watch TV programmes on my laptop?
If you use a laptop to watch television programmes as they are being shown on TV then by law you need a TV Licence. If you use a laptop to view television programmes after they are shown on TV – for example by downloading programmes or via streaming on-demand – then you don’t need a Licence.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16/

Because you are watching program's that WE as license fee payers, pay to be made. Without the License fee, you wouldn't be able to watch them at all, because they wouldn't have been made.

So they have no grounds to moan at all. If they didn't pay the fee, they shouldn't be able to watch it.

Let me ask you this, if you payed £20 to watch something pay per veiw, and someone in another part of the world got it for free an hour later, what would you say?

Now what would you say if you HAD to pay £145 a year, or risk jail if you didn't pay it, but someone half way around the world could get all that you get but for nothing, what would you say then?

I know what I would say, and it wouldn't be complimentary.

 

[sneakypete123]

@ nealcropper

What you have stated isnt quite correct, this is taken directly from the UK's TV licensing website.

You need to be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast. This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD/video recorder.

It costs £145.50 for colour and £49.00 for a black and white TV Licence.

There is no way to prove that you are watching TV as its being broadcast unless ofcorse an inspector turned up to your home and you where silly enough to let them in whilst your tv was on (which you are under no obligation to do so).
Im in no way suggesting anyone should do this (and watch live tv) but the choice is yours.

I've only ever used I player a handfull of times so im wondering do they let you watch live TV on there?

EDIT: Found out my own answer, No Iplayer and other "catch up" services dont require you to purchase a TV lisence to use them.

 

[mattythedog]

iPlayer does include the option to watch live TV yes, but it also contains programs that were originally broadcast, and as they are being watched, aren't they therefore covered by the TV License requirements above? Anyway, this is way off topic...

 

[sneakypete123]

Again more info from the TV licensing website

The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.

You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check/viewtopiccontent.aspx?id=TOP12&iqdocumentid=TOP12&WT.mc_id=r001

 

[mattythedog]

This is also from the TV licensing website.

for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.

Notice whats in red. This applies if you watch iPlayer on you TV, like most providers here offer now. It doesn't mention the internet.

 

[sneakypete123]

The point I'm getting at tho is that I dont think the reason TopGear seems to only avalible to people in the UK on Youtube is to do with TV licensing. As long as its not being streamed live, watching a topgear episode on youtube after it has been broadcast seems to fall into the "loop-hole"

After-all if its on BBC's youtube channel they dictate when the episode is posted.

 

[jeffgoddin]

Yeah, this is really a lot of off topic conversation.

But since I've bothered to check the thread 4 or 5 times over the past day or so (though after the first time I didn't really expect to see anything Top Gear related...) I think I'll chime in.

Lots of attempting to lawyer an argument that BBC should allow everybody to watch their YouTube TG episodes. Sure, annoying when you search youtube for Top Gear and think you may be able to finally find full episodes there, only to discover the video is blocked if you're not in one of the countries the BBC allowed the videos to be watched in. But, if you've searched youtube before, you should not expect to be able to find full episodes of TG or really any other TV show that's still in syndication/etc.

Basically, it's BBC's right to block the video as they wish. They make money licensing TG to BBC America, for instance, and probably have a very understandable agreement that they'll never make free streaming videos available in the US since that would reduce the value of BBC America's license to broadcast TG here.

 

[nealcropper]

Again more info from the TV licensing website

The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.

You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check/viewtopiccontent.aspx?id=TOP12&iqdocumentid=TOP12&WT.mc_id=r001

It's not that you need a license, you HAVE to have one. If you don't pay the license fee you get fined, don't do it for long enough, and you will get yourself a criminal conviction. It's the law.

Can you not see where I'm coming from?

 

[Pagey279]

You do, because you live in the UK. You HAVE to pay the TV license, iPlayer is provided by the BBC, which is payed for by the License fee, therefore we pay to watch iPlayer.

I don't have a television license, but I'm watching iPlayer right now.

It's not that you need a license, you HAVE to have one. If you don't pay the license fee you get fined, don't do it for long enough, and you will get yourself a criminal conviction. It's the law.

Can you not see where I'm coming from?

Only if you watch live television without one.

If no one payed the license, we wouldn't have the programs to watch, granted. But that does not mean everyone HAS to have one as you are saying.

 

[BLJK Ice]

Think of it this way they still earn money from youtube and tv payers but the main difference is the youtubers watch for free but BBC earns and payers pay and BBC earns. That's why they posted it on youtube.

It's just that if you pay you gain more advantage you can watch every new episode while the online ones are the old ones..

 

[sneakypete123]

It's not that you need a license, you HAVE to have one. If you don't pay the license fee you get fined, don't do it for long enough, and you will get yourself a criminal conviction. It's the law.

Can you not see where I'm coming from?

Again you're wrong, you dont HAVE to HAVE a TV license, you wont get fined and you wont get a criminal conviction.

If you dont pay the license fee, nothing will happen and you will still be able to recive TV programmes, at worst you may get a knock on the door asking if you have a TV license thats it.

They cant prove you are watching live TV, they cant enter you property without you inviting them in and if you are watching TV live without a license at the time who would be stupid enough to invite them in knowing full well who they are, having your TV on and knowing you have no TV license?

 

[jeffgoddin]

hmmm... sneakypete... I bet he plays rogues/assassins/etc a lot in those kinds of games.

and nealcropper, no need to reply to this guy, he's obviously just trying to say you can go ahead and break the law because you won't get caught (which is against AUP), while you're saying something about why TG shouldn't be free to watch for people who aren't trying to break the law.

 

[Joey D]

Just get Netflix and watch the Top Gear episodes on that if you think it's wrong to download them from FinalGear. They aren't up to date with the latest season but you can watch every other season with only some of the music changed. The later seasons are even in HD, well Netflix's version of HD.

When stuff like this comes up it really shows how awful copyright laws are. We live in 2012, it's so easy to make everything available to everyone via the Internet it's stupid to block certain counties from things. I don't see why the episodes aren't on YouTube for everyone with an ad or something before hand to offset whatever cost the BBC thinks they incur.

And an Xmas episode in February? Ya that makes sense.

 

[sneakypete123]

hmmm... sneakypete... I bet he plays rogues/assassins/etc a lot in those kinds of games.

and nealcropper, no need to reply to this guy, he's obviously just trying to say you can go ahead and break the law because you won't get caught (which is against AUP), while you're saying something about why TG shouldn't be free to watch for people who aren't trying to break the law.

Im not suggesting that anyone breaks the law, and its not the law to have a TV license in the UK. Please dont imply that I am A. trying to get somone to commit a criminal offence and B. trying to imply that I am breaking the AUP.

Maybe you should have a read through the AUP as disrespectfull comments like that can cause offense.

 

[mattythedog]

And an Xmas episode in February? Ya that makes sense.

And if you didn't know, it's in Central Africa somewhere.

 

[nealcropper]

Again you're wrong, you dont HAVE to HAVE a TV license, you wont get fined and you wont get a criminal conviction.

If you dont pay the license fee, nothing will happen and you will still be able to recive TV programmes, at worst you may get a knock on the door asking if you have a TV license thats it.

They cant prove you are watching live TV, they cant enter you property without you inviting them in and if you are watching TV live without a license at the time who would be stupid enough to invite them in knowing full well who they are, having your TV on and knowing you have no TV license?

You cannot buy a TV without a TV license. When you buy one, they ask you your postcode and address, if your address doesn't have a license, you can't buy a TV.

There is no way that people don't watch any form of TV. For my money, if you don't have a TV license there's a fair chance your breaking the law, in the sense that your a receiving BBC channels am not paying for them.

Yes this is quite of topic. Maybe we should end this now, I set out to tell you why the BBC are not letting their You Tube program's be open to the world. I think that I have done that, there is no other feasible reason why they would limit it to the UK only, other than the license fee.

 

[Pagey279]

You cannot buy a TV without a TV license. When you buy one, they ask you your postcode and address, if your address doesn't have a license, you can't buy a TV.

There is no way that people don't watch any form of TV. For my money, if you don't have a TV license there's a fair chance your breaking the law, in the sense that your a receiving BBC channels am not paying for them.

I've got 2 TVs without a TV license. I could go down to Argos today and buy another one, they don't care whether I have a license or not, they just want the money. So I don't know where you got the first bit from. Pretty sure amazon don't do what you said either, or play.com, or currys.

And just so you know they send you a letter if they suspect you have been watching live Tele without one. And you are put under investigation. I haven't got one and I won't either BECAUSE I'M NOT BREAKING ANY LAWS.

Quite simply the law states the only, I repeat ONLY time you need a license is if you are going to watch live television. And if you don't, you are completely in the clear. It says all this on the website you were given a link to, so what your saying is still wrong. And you should probably read it if your going to say anymore.