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Would you be okay with the next-gen RAV4 being called Supra by that logic? Nissan Rogue being called Skyline? Dodge Grand Caravan being called Viper?
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- TexRex72
Unlike all of the above, the Mach 1 was never a stand-alone model...the Supra wasn't always, but it too developed into a full-fledged model for Toyota.
That said, I'm personally perfectly fine with it from a "brand value" perspective, as none of them are sacred cows for me. Is it safe to assume you're not so accepting of the convention?
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- Tunerguy21
Was making a post to say this same thing, but was much more long-winded. Glad I scrapped it.
People were saying the same thing when Mitsubishi said they were looking to bring back the Evolution name (which wasn't even limited to the Lan-Evo). They've also since brought out the Eclipse as a crossover, which I disagree with but isn't the same thing. If Ford was saying they were bringing back the Mustang as a crossover, that would also be a different thing. That being said, I still think its somewhat stupid to take something associated with one thing and put it on a totally different thing just for brand appeal or whatever, especially when there's better names they could've used. Would've been both cool to see AND relevant to bring the Lightning name back.
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- TexRex72
That reminds me of an instance on GTP, I believe in the rate-the-car-above-you thread, where a user responded to a car with the "Evolution" moniker--a Mercedes-Benz 190E if memory serves--indicating the if it isn't turbocharged and AWD, it doesn't deserve to be called an Evo. Funnily enough, at the time I had (and indeed still have) something with that designation despite being one-wheel-drive and lacking any sort of induction system of its own.
A Cannondale SuperSix EVO, an evolution of the SuperSix which itself was a carbon evolution of the alloy SystemSix. Love that SRAM Red gruppo.
Apparently that the car was an evolution of the base model was completely lost on them.
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Oh gawds, for a second there, i thought that spoiler was gonna hide a unicycle....
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- TexRex72
Funny you should say that...
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I disagree. Yes, the Mach 1 name was originally used on a concept car to showcase the future of cars, but that doesn't make the CUV more suited for the nameplate imo. I don't know about you, but "Mach 1" is not a name I would associate with something "futuristic". It sounds more like an association with performance. Once again, a CUV isn't the first thing that comes to my head when I think performance. I know it's meant to be a performance oriented CUV, but still. I honestly can't help, but find calling a CUV "Mach 1" odd.
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In the right context, I have no difficulty associating it with both (though, admittedly, it being associated with the former is kind of contingent on it being associated with the latter).
During the 1950s, at the end of which the Levacar was exhibited (along with Ford's Nucleon, a proposed nuclear car), the public was atwitter over futurist ideas such as nuclear fusion, the jet age and supersonic flight, and companies capitalized on the notion and appeal of these sorts of ideas, even if what they were peddling wasn't directly linked to the ideas that inspired their names.
While I can't say for sure, I suspect the appeal that the Levacar Mach 1 had with kids was considered heavily when naming the package available for Mustangs, which those same kids, now old enough to drive and likely even buy, were probably looking at quite keenly.
Now, having said all that, I'm not really sure the same sort of relationship exists today, but kids whose dad or uncle may have had a Mustang Mach 1 (that they, the dads or uncles, themselves had been ogling as a kid) are now in the market for a car for their own family. Ford probably hopes to sell them a crossover.
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I might be the only one in existence....
But...
The 996.1/986 headlights are nicer than 996.2/turbo headlights.
As a 986 owner, I'm slightly biased, but I've felt this way since before I was a 986 owner.
Lastly, 996.1/986 headlights are actually pretty cool to me. I like that they tried something new, and they really go with the design of the car. In fact, when the 997 first came out I felt like there was something missing. I've never understood the negativity of the "fried egg" design. The front end of the 986 has such a nicer design than the more clumsy-looking (IMO) 987, and I always reverse park (whenever possible) so I can see the lovely front end of my car whenever I walk up.
I particularly like them in conjunction with the 996.1 GT3 kit, whether or not its actually a GT3....like Jethro's:
Also Ruf RGT Guise:
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The 996.1/986 headlights are nicer than 996.2/turbo headlights.
As a 986 owner, I'm slightly biased, but I've felt this way since before I was a 986 owner.
Lastly, 996.1/986 headlights are actually pretty cool to me. I like that they tried something new, and they really go with the design of the car. In fact, when the 997 first came out I felt like there was something missing. I've never understood the negativity of the "fried egg" design. The front end of the 986 has such a nicer design than the more clumsy-looking (IMO) 987, and I always reverse park (whenever possible) so I can see the lovely front end of my car whenever I walk up.
I particularly like them in conjunction with the 996.1 GT3 kit, whether or not its actually a GT3....like Jethro's:
Also Ruf RGT Guise:
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Happy to admit I didn't like the 996's styling when it first appeared (but then I was about 11 years old, and it's also safe to assume that kids know nothing), but it's grown on me since, and I quite like the proper fried-egg lights with the amber turn signals now.
Not sure whether I prefer them more than the 996.2 with the slightly pinched headlights though, as I also like the changes they made to the front bumper on basic Carreras for that update, and a 996.2 Carrera in black is a really classy looking car to me in a way a 996.1 isn't quite:
...but I think it's now much easier to appreciate the 996's styling as a whole than it was back in the day. It's aged very well, as has the 986 Boxster. The nostalgia certainly helps, but given Porsche's styling in 2018 hasn't declined in the same way that say, BMW's has, I think it's a mark of the 996 and 986 actually being relatively simple and distinctive cars from the start that they've matured as nicely as they have.
The Boxster's only problem is still a slight excess of visual bulk - a side-effect of heavy component-sharing with the 996. The latest Boxster and Cayman wear their mass a little better.
Though as far as unpopular opinions go, I still prefer the 987 Cayman's styling to the later 981s and 718s - it's more distinctive in profile.
Not sure whether I prefer them more than the 996.2 with the slightly pinched headlights though, as I also like the changes they made to the front bumper on basic Carreras for that update, and a 996.2 Carrera in black is a really classy looking car to me in a way a 996.1 isn't quite:
...but I think it's now much easier to appreciate the 996's styling as a whole than it was back in the day. It's aged very well, as has the 986 Boxster. The nostalgia certainly helps, but given Porsche's styling in 2018 hasn't declined in the same way that say, BMW's has, I think it's a mark of the 996 and 986 actually being relatively simple and distinctive cars from the start that they've matured as nicely as they have.
The Boxster's only problem is still a slight excess of visual bulk - a side-effect of heavy component-sharing with the 996. The latest Boxster and Cayman wear their mass a little better.
Though as far as unpopular opinions go, I still prefer the 987 Cayman's styling to the later 981s and 718s - it's more distinctive in profile.
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Agreed. From most angles, the Boxster has become a better and more athletic looking car with each subsequent generation, though the 981 & 718 are overstyled for my tastes....the very last iteration of the 987 just about nails it for me, though I still don't like the front too much. I will say that the 986 can look pretty damn awesome with the factory aero kit, the optional BBS wheels, and a hardtop as seen attached below.
I am currently trying to source all of these items.
Should look good on my silver-on-red car.Unfortunately, the 986 looks most frumpy when the top is down.
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OK how do we shake up some people, American cars are best and the LS (even the Vortec) is the greatest automotive innovation in the history of the universe. Euro and Japanese fangirl needs not apply. Look at this, no RB or JZ engine can make 1000hp on a stock bottom end.
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I don't think "LS engines are good engines" is really an unpopular opinion though.
It's the same East of you.
I'd really enjoy a clean 996.2 C4S. That light strip helped the rear, and I feel the brakes/suspension from the Turbo would make it a nice halfway-house in terms of daily-driving compared to the equivalent GT3.
My biggest problem with the 996 is that it's nearly impossible to find one for sale around me that isn't either a convertible, an automatic or a Carrera 4, or sometimes even all 3 at the same time.
It's the same East of you.
I'd really enjoy a clean 996.2 C4S. That light strip helped the rear, and I feel the brakes/suspension from the Turbo would make it a nice halfway-house in terms of daily-driving compared to the equivalent GT3.
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Not really. Assuming you're speaking from a performance perspective, the LS isn't really that special of an engine. It has some qualities to it that make it very desirable for tuning and engine swaps, but it is far from being an "innovation". Hell, one could say that it is simply a natural evolution of the small-block chevy of the 50s (not saying that they're the same engine, just the same role).
Rather, it was an engine designed by GM to be shoved into every conceivable FR vehicle (and since that wasn't enough for them, they threw it in the Impala as well) in their lineup. As a result, it has characteristics that make it very suitable for engine swaps:
- It's a 2-valve pushrod engine. This makes it smaller, lighter, and simpler (read: cheaper) compared to most competing V8 engines, which have since moved on to DOHC.
- It's a relatively large displacement engine, which most examples being between 4.8-6.2l (yes, the LS7 and LSX exist but good luck finding those).
- Since the LS engines are so common, they are affordable and fairly easy to find.
- Most of it's applications are either trucks (which often see fleet use) or performance vehicles, so they are a bit overbuilt for the sake of durability.
This doesn't necessarily mean the LS is a bad engine. The basic formula has worked fine for decades and the numbers are there to prove it. It's just for the most part, they're a fairly basic large displacement engine with two decades of development under it's belt. They're nothing particularly special, original, or innovative. They just work.
RB engine? Hell no. However, there are plenty of stupid power 2JZ engines running the stock shortblock.
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A Japanese car needs an American truck engine to be fast.
Stock 2Js with more than 600hp are ticking time bombs. That's really the safe zone, people do go past that but it's driving on thin ice.
RB engine? Hell no. However, there are plenty of stupid power 2JZ engines running the stock shortblock.
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Driving with over 600hp on thin ice? That's ridiculous.
