Unpopular Opinions- Cars in General

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Americans don't know how a proper car is supposed to handle.

So how is a car supposed to handle? And are you talking about American branded cars or Americans driving anything? I mean both are wrong, but I'd find it funnier if an American driving something like a Miata is somehow worse than a Frenchman driving the same car.
 
I would throw out there that there seems to be a lot of grid system roads in the USA, the opportunity for enjoying a good handling car is less, therefore is less of a priority...

Just an observation, not necessarily a belief.
 
The Corvette, Viper and GT all disagree. Also, Saleen, the new Mustangs, Ford Focus to name a few.

Isn't the Focus technically British?

I would throw out there that there seems to be a lot of grid system roads in the USA, the opportunity for enjoying a good handling car is less, therefore is less of a priority...

Just an observation, not necessarily a belief.

I think it has more to do with the long stretches of relatively straight highways you encounter once you get out of the cities. For instance the most famous highway in the country, Route 66, is mostly straight.

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Sure there's quite a few turns along the way, but for the most part you're going to be cruising at a steady pace over roads that aren't always in the best repair. I'm not so sure a European sports car would be ideal for that trip in the same way a U.S. muscle car would probably be ill fitting tackling the Stelvio Pass.
 
Isn't the Focus technically British?



I think it has more to do with the long stretches of relatively straight highways you encounter once you get out of the cities. For instance the most famous highway in the country, Route 66, is mostly straight.

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Sure there's quite a few turns along the way, but for the most part you're going to be cruising at a steady pace over roads that aren't always in the best repair. I'm not so sure a European sports car would be ideal for that trip in the same way a U.S. muscle car would probably be ill fitting tackling the Stelvio Pass.

I was thinking more day-to-day, with the opportunity for a daily drive to be more exciting. I know the USA has some great roads, but I'm thinking more along the lines of what people can enjoy on a daily basis, without going out of their way.
 
Isn't the Focus technically British?



I think it has more to do with the long stretches of relatively straight highways you encounter once you get out of the cities. For instance the most famous highway in the country, Route 66, is mostly straight.

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Sure there's quite a few turns along the way, but for the most part you're going to be cruising at a steady pace over roads that aren't always in the best repair. I'm not so sure a European sports car would be ideal for that trip in the same way a U.S. muscle car would probably be ill fitting tackling the Stelvio Pass.

You'll see Amarillo, Gallup New Mexico. Flagstaff Arizona, don't forget Winona, Kingsman, Barstow, San Bernardino...
 
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May I ask how you came to that conclusion sir?

American cars are designed for American roads. European cars are built for European roads. I was quoting some unpopular opinions I have heard. They aren't necessarily my personal opinion. I like old muscle cars, but never driven one. They do have the reputation of being hard to handle.
 
You do know many American cars are global cars right or at least on global platforms right?

Yes and no. There are still market specific cars being built. You wont find pickuptrucks and other large cars here in Europe. We just don't have the space. I also know that certain specification (suspension, engine etc.) are different for certain countries to accommodate regulations, gas prices and road quality etc. A Ford in the US is just plain different then a Ford here in Europe.
 
American cars are designed for American roads. European cars are built for European roads.
While true, that doesn't mean we can't handle a car nor design a car that can't handle. Cars like the Shelby GT350 (both classic and modern versions), Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper, Cadillac CTS-V, ATS-V, Ford Mustang Boss 302, and the current Chevrolet Camaro have proven that.
 
While true, that doesn't mean we can't handle a car nor design a car that can't handle. Cars like the Shelby GT350 (both classic and modern versions), Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper, Cadillac CTS-V, ATS-V, Ford Mustang Boss 302, and the current Chevrolet Camaro have proven that.

Not really. although cheaper then European counterparts... they don't outperform on an European road BMW m5 or Merc AMG. Americans do generally do well in straightline speed (American roads)

And be honest... wouldn't you rather have a European car if you weren't limited by budget and running costs?
 
you weren't limited by budget and running costs?
Aren't M-series BMWs known to have reliability issues after 150,000 miles?

Also, more anecodal than anything, but my mom's friend has a 1965 Corvette C2 that they bought brand new. Still runs and drives new 53 years later. I don't remember seeing too many European cars from that age that have survived.
 
I challenge anybody to try a Mustang GT350 back-to-back with an Audi RS5 and report back on which rides and handles better.

I'm genuinely surprised someone still subscribes to these outdated stereotypes. Let me guess; Hyundai and Kia make cheap, dreadful cars too?
 
Aren't M-series BMWs known to have reliability issues after 150,000 miles?
Dunno don't own one:lol:... M5 was just an example. If you weren't limited by cost wouldn't you rather have a koenigsegg or Piagani? The US just don't have any equivalent (yet). Even indycars are European cars with a Japanese engine.

I challenge anybody to try a Mustang GT350 back-to-back with an Audi RS5 and report back on which rides and handles better.

I'm genuinely surprised someone still subscribes to these outdated stereotypes. Let me guess; Hyundai and Kia make cheap, dreadful cars too?

I only sat in a Mustang GT350, but it cant beat that Audi interior.
Yes that is correct. They are cheap and dreadfull, but very reliable!
 
Dunno don't own one:lol:... M5 was just an example. If you weren't limited by cost wouldn't you rather have a koenigsegg or Piagani? The US just don't have any equivalent (yet). Even indycars are European cars with a Japanese engine.

Europe also gave us the Trabant.

Yes that is correct. They are cheap and dreadfull, but very reliable!

When you're done with the time machine, may I borrow it? I wouldn't mind revisiting the '90s either.

Also, don't double post. 👍
 
If you weren't limited by cost wouldn't you rather have a koenigsegg or Piagani?
I would rather have a Saleen or Hennessey. Koenigseggs are not allowed in the United States and I don't see the point in a Pagani when I can get similar grunt with more functionality out of a Saleen Mustang.
 
You know what's better then slagging on American cars like we're still in the 1960's again? Doing it while wanking off European cars, of course!
 
Europe also gave us the Trabant.



When you're done with the time machine, may I borrow it? I wouldn't mind revisiting the '90s either.

Also, don't double post. 👍

:cheers: haha will do, thanks for correcting! I think our posts crossed.

Europe also made the Yugo!
But seriously Kia and Hyundai are cheaper then European cars and generally have a cheaper made interior.

You know what's better then slagging on American cars like we're still in the 1960's again? Doing it while wanking off European cars, of course!

If you had no restrictions on costs which car would you buy?
 
But seriously Kia and Hyundai are cheaper then European cars and generally have a cheaper made interior.

You haven't been in my Citroen then, the damn thing is falling apart ;) Our old Kia felt rock solid for the entire time we had it, and the new Hyundai we've got on order is infinitely better made in comparison. Both Kia and Hyundai now make some genuinely very good cars.
 
Man, there sure is a lot of effort being expended to justify the opinion only heard and not actually held.


I like old muscle cars, but never driven one. They do have the reputation of being hard to handle.
It sure is a good thing that we're nearly 50 years removed from them, then. By the mid 1980s American companies knew that they had to compete directly with European brands on their merits rather than continuing to peddle vinyl topped boats with whorehouse red interiors. Unless you were Ford you generally did an atrocious job at it until the following decade under several layers of managerial incompetence blotting out all of the effort the people who cared tried to put in, but that doesn't mean that things that were European were automatically head and shoulders above anything besmirched with an American badge perpetually and forever; even if you want to bring up wholly unrelated talk about interiors. It certainly doesn't mean it now, when most car platforms and engineering is global anyway.

If you weren't limited by cost wouldn't you rather have a koenigsegg or Piagani? The US just don't have any equivalent (yet).
If I had Pagani money, I would unequivocally scour the country for a W8 first.


For all the relevance that has to the discussion about whether Americans know how cars are "supposed" to handle in the first place.
 
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You haven't been in my Citroen then, the damn thing is falling apart ;) Our old Kia felt rock solid for the entire time we had it, and the new Hyundai we've got on order is infinitely better made in comparison.
Super reliable yes! But It al feels plasticky and not very high quality, but that translates in a more affordable price of course.

Man, there sure is a lot of effort being expended to justify the opinion only heard and not actually held.



It sure is a good thing that we're nearly 50 years removed from them, then. By the mid 1980s American companies knew that they had to compete directly with European brands on their merits rather than continuing to peddle vinyl topped boats with whorehouse red interiors. Unless you were Ford you generally did an atrocious job at it until the following decade under several layers, but that doesn't mean that things that were European were automatically head and shoulders above anything besmirched with an American badge perpetually and forever; even if you want to bring up wholly unrelated talk about interiors.


If I had Pagani money, I would unequivocally scour the country for a W8 first.


For all the relevance that has to the discussion about whether Americans know how cars are "supposed" to handle in the first place.

Racing cars generally all have European engineered parts that affect handling and performance. Which great American racecar is there nowadays?

And for all the reactions:
I like American muscle cars. It was a general unpopular opinion here in Europe.
 
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Super reliable yes! But It al feels plasticky and not very high quality, but that translates in a more affordable price of course.
Do you even try driving the cars you're bashing on? I've driven the 2016 Focus, 2016 Elantra Sport, et. al while I was car shopping in July 2016.

Of all of them, I have to say the Honda Fit was the one with a shoddy interior.
 
Super reliable yes! But It al feels plasticky and not very high quality, but that translates in a more affordable price of course.

I hear the "it feels plasticky" argument a lot with cars and I've never understood it. Most of the dash in any car is made from plastic; what else is it supposed to feel like? To get a leather dash you have to spend serious cash!

TB
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Gotta love an iPad sticking up out of your dash. :rolleyes:

To be fair I agree with him here; Audi have some very nice looking interiors. I can't speak for the quality though, I've never been in one.
 
TB
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Gotta love an iPad sticking up out of your dash. :rolleyes:

Seriously sit in both. You will be blown away. I sat in that mustang and it just feels cheaper made. But do consider an Audi is more expensive!

Do you even try driving the cars you're bashing on? I've driven the 2016 Focus, 2016 Elantra Sport, et. al while I was car shopping in July 2016.

Of all of them, I have to say the Honda Fit was the one with a shoddy interior.

Ford Focus is more European then American.
 
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