Update Patch 1.08 is up

[Tyger]

Er, they can want whatever they want, they can only hope people use the game the way they intended it and structured it.
But I can choose to play the game however I want, if I for example only want to use GT5 to drive the same car around the same track for eternity, that's my choice and fully possible to do if I simply disregard the whole game structure.
PD fixed this glitch because it's a glitch, simple as that (why would they actually care how, and how long, I played this game as long as I bought GT5 and will eventually buy GT6?).
And, not unimportant, a glitch which became quite a nuisance to them due to the consequences it had and therefor logically becoming very popular and a very public embarrasment.

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[SKOT_FREE]

Why are you blaming the people who exploit this glitch? Blame PD for poor game designing. And no I don't use this exploit, its too boring.

People who say this are serious losers! In real life if some cut the track like that there would be reprocussions and not one person would blame the Track designer but the Losers who would CHEAT and exploit a flaw. I mean do you run red lights because the Police aren't sitting in the Vicinity to ticket you?

 

[Tommy_861]

Haha, who's writing the definition on "how the game was intended"? You?

Being that when you buy the game you can't automatically get all 1031 cars, and 20 mil credits, I would say its a safe bet they did not INTEND for people to cheat like hell to get every car.

Its very obvious unless you have no clue or are blind that the developers intend for you to just PLAY the game, not exploit bugs to circumvent the game system. if you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.

Last time I checked PS3 (and every game developer except PD) intended to let you have multiple save files on one username to back up your save files, instead of having to plug a stupid usb drive into a machine that has a 40GB Hard Drive because the game developer decided it doesn't like the way PS3 handles its save files. Guess PD doesn't like things the way they're intended either.

And quit being so melo-dramatic about the lobbies. 70% of the SSR7 rooms are barely money glitches let alone 70% of ALL rooms. I still see people doing tunnel drags etc on the map constantly. So you chill out with the hyperbole drama-queen. And so what if some 5 year old or Noob keeps bashing you. You need to realize IT'S A VIDEO GAME. The very fact you admitted these things bother you proves my point that your whiney little ego gets bruised because you take a ONLINE VIDEO GAME too seriously.

And I love that you single out "there's nowhere to drive an x1 without getting bashed by some noob"....The car is the most extreme vehicle ever put in a video game, it isn't even real, and it's almost impossible not to bash something or someone in it at some point. Why the heck do you think they lowered the times for bronze on the Vettel challenge? Because it was uber-uber difficult for people to run 2 clean laps in the car let alone come in under the time, especially with a controller and not a wheel.

If you don't want to get bashed how bout you don't drive a car that does 0-100 in like 2 seconds and tops out at over 300mph, k? Kharman-ghia or 360 perhaps? Maybe you could make enough friends online so you can invite them all to a race so you have no randoms in the room? Or make a room that says "NO NOOBS" in the title? Man those are hard thing to think of, aren't you glad I did it for you?

And here's one last tip. All the things you complain about, they don't affect "everyone". They don't affect me. They don't affect the people that agree with me. They only affect you and others, because you let them, because you take an online video game personally. It's like you feel there is some higher connection to the game that can be made if you play it purely and truly and this somehow makes you a cooler person or more worthy of something....Which is hiliraious!

I love the automatic assumptions you make about me, my driving, or how I play. You really have no clue whatsoever, but because you don't like my opinion, immediately I'm a whiney bitch who can't drive.

Honestly I won the X1 in the challenge and parked it, I never even used it online, its too fast and not particularly fun. I do run low powered cars all the time, heck I barely ever use anything faster than a stock Super GT car online. Thats not my point at all but you missed it as you seem to be blind with rage in taking MY OPINION personally.

I didn't call you any names because you cheat, or anyone else for that matter, I just condemned the act of cheating. I don't understand why YOU take that personally. I also don't understand why you twist this into me taking the game personally.

Again, you don't read my posts, you're just blinded with rage about how important YOUR opinion is and how the game should be played however YOU WANT. Do whatever the hell you want, I said that in one of my responses. You didn't read that though. Doesn't mean I have to like what you're doing. Also doesn't mean I can't be happy when PD stops you from doing it.

its called MY OPINION and its a free damn country that I can have it.

 

[Spagetti69]

People who say this are serious losers! In real life if some cut the track like that there would be reprocussions and not one person would blame the Track designer but the Losers who would CHEAT and exploit a flaw. I mean do you run red lights because the Police aren't sitting in the Vicinity to ticket you?

If a cash point was throwing out free money would you blame the people for picking it up or the faulty cash point.

 

[paskowitz]

If someone found a glitch that let you have more grip or drive faster or whatever, then I think there would a completely legitimate reason to complain. The GT Academy problems, those were real issues. This is really trivial.

 

[Devedander]

Maybe, for once and for all, the exploiters and cheaters can take this as a sign that PD (you know, they guys that MAKE the game) don't want you to cheat, don't want you to play the game 'any way you feel like it' and don't want you to exhaust the game in a few months. It's going to be several YEARS before the next one comes out, and they want you to have something left to do in a year or two's time...

Then, the next time you feel like flaming someone for pointing out that you are 'cheating' or exploiting the game, you can simply flame PD and Kaz... and give us a rest for a while.

I don't think anyone thought for a second that they wouldn't patch this...

It's not about whether PD wanted it this way or that way... it's about the game PD made....

Did they want us to have something to do for 2 or 3 years? I think so.

But what they gave us isn't enough to be enjoyable for 2 to 3 years... so they failed. And just artificially lengthening it with limits and repetition doesn't make it enjoyable.

And that's the key... enjoyable.

This is a game, I paid for someone to provide me an enjoyable experience. I didn't pay someone to tell me what to do because that's what they want me to do regardless of if I enjoy it or not.

If the game is long but unenjoyable it's as bad as if it was just short.

It would be like making a movie that lasts two hours but is really only 7.5 minutes of story and then an 1:45 hr of people walking around doing nothing and panoramic pans then 7.5 minutes of story... it doesn't matter if you wanted people to be enteretained for 2 hours, you didn't give them 2 hours of entertainment, you gave them 15 minutes of entertainment and 1:45 of filler.

So people found the fast forward button and skipped the filler. And that's what people have done with GT5... the first part was enjoyable... there is some fun left at the end, but the filler is so unejoyable the choices boil down to:

Enjoy only the beginning and the end is so much filler away I will never bother getting there.

Enjoy the beginning, fast forward the filler, enjoy the end and get all the enjoyment (albeit much less than there really should have been overall) out of the game.

If you go disable the fast forward button it doesn't matter that your intention was to have people enjoy the movie for two hours and removing the ability to fast forward isn't going to make that filler any more enjoyable. And likewise all this focus on preventing people from "cheating" is ignoring the fact that doing so doesn't force those people to enjoy the game, it just means you have completely blocked of their ability to reach that last bit of enjoyability that came after all the filler, just like disabling the fast forward button doesn't mean people will enjoy your 1:45 of people walking around and doing nothing... it just means they will walk out and never get to enjoy that last 7.5 minutes of story at the end.

How do people not see that? This world has become a place of people looking to symptoms to blame and fix while ignoring the causes...

People seem to overlook the fact that forcing people to do something that's not fun doesnt make it fun and doens't make it better.

Why is everyone so focused on what PD wanted you to do instead of focused on what we as consumers want to do and paid to do?

The world is really getting strange lately... everywhere I turn people worried more about what someone else intended for you to do instead of what you want to do... when did life become about doing what others want and not what makes you happy?

So to the idea that "This is how PD wanted me to do it" you know what I say? I say screw PD... I didn't pay them to do what they want me to do... I paid them provide me entretainment, and if they failed at it, then I will do what it takes to find as much entertainment as I can from my $$$.

I don't go to restaraunts and pay the chef to force me to eat what he thinks I should eat at the speed he thinks I should eat it.

I don't go get a massage to have the masseuse tell me where I should get massaged and how strong I should have it done.

Why people worry so much about making sure we do it how PD wanted is beyond me and why no one is concerned about why PD didn't do what we wanted as paying consumers who write their paychecks and pay their bills I do not understand.

 

[BlackIce90]

No patch update here in Canada...

 

[White & Nerdy]

I thought someone had fired up a weed-eater somewhere near my house, but it turns out it was just the BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWing going on at this website.

Yes, grindning is boring.

Yes, I want duping back.

Yes, even I admit collecting those payouts was a thrill.

But the SSR7 glitch was pushing it too far. You'd go online and half the rooms would be something like "SSR7 GLITCH GET CA$$$$$$$$H NOW $$$$$". It was just ridiculous. I used it only minimally and I refuse to complain about the fix, or sympathize with anyone complaining about it. It was just too much, and I and everyone else knew PD wouldn't put up with it for long.

 

[Tyger]

Update's not hit Europe yet either.

Devedander it's a shame you are obviously dissappointed with and bored of the game. But ultimately you are one of thousands if not millions who bought the game, and many of them enjoy it. You are cool with that i'm sure, and understand that different strokes are for different folks.

Personally I love the game, I think some things could have been done better but i love it, and gawd knows i'm a cynical bast at the best of times. I won't argue or try to convince you that you should like it too though, and hope that you find another (racing) game that you enjoy more

 

[Exorcet]

It doesn't affect me if other people have more money, and it doesn't really bother me how they got it. But it does affect me when the online portion is literally plugged up with people glitching.

I have to admit, I didn't get to use online during the SS7 glitch, but I don't see what's so bad about it. A room made for racing faced much less competition if the majority of rooms were SS7. It should have been easier for those seeking a race to gather. Even before 1.07 a good portion of rooms were SS7 for free run, trade, or drag. 99% of time, those were as good as blanks to me along with rooms on oval tracks, SRF, no restrictions etc. People will do what they want to do. While finding a race may, perhaps, have been less convenient, I'm sure it wasn't even close to impossible. But again, I wasn't there.

I will say though, that 1.08 might actually be justified, if only because it tamed online mode. Though there are other ways that the situation could have been handled without the needless removal of the SS7 glitch.

I never said it was perfect, I said there was an IMO obvious intention there, and used properly its not utterly useless. It still does show where someone is at in the game. As well you need to be somewhat decent at the game to win the X1 unless you b-spec it (which yes I agree is dumb but I guess they needed a big incentive) you can't just overpower that challenge nor FGT. They should have had more regulations on some races, thats just a flaw in the game nothing you can do about it.

The FGT challenge doesn't matter. Even with the SS7 glitch, duping, or anything, you can only win it if you're better than the AI. This has never changed. You can get to level 40 the "right" way by playing the Sunday Cup (or more realistically grinding Indy in the X1 [that can be obtained in B-Spec or from a friend]). No one needs to beat the FGT challenge in GT5, and no one can take credit for it without actually doing it. Same for the other races.

And there is far from nothing that can be done about the game. If the AI was good enough to care about, I'd probably be with people asking for suggested race restrictions. It's something that GT has always lacked, and one of many things that makes it feel primitive and poorly thought out. Sure, some races like Super GT make it easy to pick a theoretically competitive car, but it's harder in more open races. Point is, fans can and should ask for what they want. And as long as it doesn't negatively effect others, I think anything is a reasonable request.

My point is they put out a product that fits into certain parameters. A lot of people expect it to be something different. Meanwhile there are other games out there that will do what they want and have all the cars they could ever want and more (iRacing, GTR, others... yes on the PC but if you really care then who cares what they are on). I just don't get it. If I need a product to do a certain thing I don't buy one that doesn't and then bitch about it afterwards, I buy what does what I want.

I bought GT5 because it has what I want. It's just that the game makes it difficult to get there. Also consider that PD has been up to a bit of faulty marketing. Of all the scarce meaningful interviews with Kaz I remember before release, the most important to me was one where he said something like "players are different today, they don't have time to unlock stuff". It made it sound like GT was going in a good direction. Same for GT5P's promise of unlocking cars in GT5. PD axed both without warning. What am I to do if I can't even trust what they said?

I guess at this point, it's obvious that we disagree on what's harmless and what's not. But I would only suggest a change or exploit a feature if I deem it harmless. I am completely open to the ideas that other people want to play a game in some other way, and I take that into consideration when I post my thoughts. I really do think that PD can please everyone, or at least a very large majority. But they don't even try, and that is truly frustrating.

Yes its stopped now that trading has been blocked, but up until now anyone and everyone had one. The point of the game was it was supposed to be a car few had and they had to earn over time. That is gone now, at least until a predominant number of those who duped it give up on the game.

As someone who "earned" an X1, I'm glad that everyone had one. It made finding a race easier. If I had one and no one else did, what would do with it? It would be useless. I guess others disagree though. The level system wasn't going to do me any good at all in finding a good race, and like I said, even level zeros can get the X1. The car was never meant to be exclusive. Ever. Maybe the carbon, but certainly not the regular model.

My focus is mainly on online play, and the economy of the game, and the rarity of cars. All are/were affected by it. You are missing that it DOES affect everyone, and IMO it would have been more fun if it were like real life, cars were rare, money was limited etc. It could have been like that and thats how it was intended. Unfortunatelynow that is gone.

Car rarity doesn't work in GT5 as is. There are infinite cars, there is infinite money. Getting one car isn't actually that bad, unless the UCD hates you. Even then PD allowed you to get around it with gifting and the OCD. What PD did was make it hard to have a large collection, for whatever reason. In an "as intended" GT5, Mark IV's would probably be fairly common online. What would have been uncommon: simultaneous owners of the Mark IV, 330, and 2J. I think all the other expensive cars are actually obtainable via offline racing. "Everyone" would have at least one. Heck, I've done 30% of the game, got the Jaguar XJ13 without even aiming for it because I was grinding.

But just because YOU don't like how it works or YOU feel that people should just get enjoyment resting on their A-Spec laurels, doesn't make it right.

Indeed. If one likes something, it doesn't make it right.

Maybe, for once and for all, the exploiters and cheaters can take this as a sign that PD (you know, they guys that MAKE the game) don't want you to cheat, don't want you to play the game 'any way you feel like it' and don't want you to exhaust the game in a few months. It's going to be several YEARS before the next one comes out, and they want you to have something left to do in a year or two's time...

PD has never supported exploiting, this is obvious. I don't care, because A-Spec is garbage. They also pulled features from the game that were advertised without warning, and they don't communicate well with fans. I've found a better way to play, and I'll keep playing that way so long as it doesn't stop other people from playing their own way. If I'm doing no harm, I'm doing nothing wrong.

And for the xth time, if they want me to play a long time and have things to do in two years, then they shouldn't bother me, because GT5 lasts longer my way.

Then, the next time you feel like flaming someone for pointing out that you are 'cheating' or exploiting the game, you can simply flame PD and Kaz... and give us a rest for a while.

That makes no sense. If you personally go on about how someone is cheating even though they aren't, they have every right to argue with you.

 

[Dreadin]

If a cash point was throwing out free money would you blame the people for picking it up or the faulty cash point.

Bad example, the machine would be malfunctioning ( not operating as it was designed ) so A. it is not free money and B. they would be stealing.

 

[Xenn]

And this is on 1.08?

Plus some proof would be cool.

Still waiting...

 

[Tyger]

Still waiting...

But you aren't doubting this has rolled out in other parts of the world right? I don't think some dude in Indonesia would take the time to make a very convincing photoshopped update description, the other folks in Asia corroborate it, just for fun...why this hasn't rolled out elsewhere is probably a logistical/timing thing with different update servers for different parts of the world, but to doubt it exists is a little short-sighted.

EDIT - Not addressing you specifically but a few folks in this thread

 

[Tommy_861]

..../snipping valid points/...

Snipped down your thread, you made some good points I just wanted to point out one thing I believe (from what you said about beginning, middle, and end). IMO in a racing game while there is a beginning, there really is no end. I mean yes some have a solid "end" to them, but as evidenced by PD adding weekly events, promising (but as yet not delivering) DLC, and so on, GT5 doesn't have an "end". Its a racing game, just enjoy the ride and keep racing and discovering things and adding things as you go.

JMO....

 

[888 Tuning]

Just an observation based on the comments of those who do glitch/exploit the game v those who dont....interestingly the glitchers seem to be more vocal about their views on the "poor content" of the game... in other words they bought a game that doesn't really suit their desires.. ie just give me the game and let me have every car and every track and unlimited money upfront thanks...

Longevity of game for those who glitch/exploit <------>
Longevity of game for those who don't <----------------------------------------------->

 

[soniae74]

But you aren't doubting this has rolled out in other parts of the world right? I don't think some dude in Indonesia would take the time to make a very convincing photoshopped update description, the other folks in Asia corroborate it, just for fun...why this hasn't rolled out elsewhere is probably a logistical/timing thing with different update servers for different parts of the world, but to doubt it exists is a little short-sighted.

EDIT - Not addressing you specifically but a few folks in this thread

You got the wrong end of the stick. Nobody is denying the update is real anymore.
No wonder: http://www.gran-turismo.com/sg/news/d11551.html


Xenn was asking for proof that someone has used the glitch after the update.

Although I doubt the poster Xenn spoke of had updated as he is also in the UK.

I just tried the glitch, I got in...

 

[Negrumir]

If a cash point was throwing out free money would you blame the people for picking it up or the faulty cash point.

But then would you blame the Owners of said cash point for coming along and fixing the fault? No.

What would people think if these were the people's response to the fix?

"Why did you fix the only good thing to happen around here?"

"But we need to take the free money. How else are we supposed to make money? Earn it?"

"It never affected anyone who didn't use it so why change it?"

"It was that way when they brought it here, obviously that's the way it was intended to work."

Food for thought.

 

[Xenn]

You got the wrong end of the stick. ~Nobody is denying it now.
Xenn was asking for proof that someone has used the glitch after the update.

Exactly 👍

 

[soniae74]

Exactly 👍

Oh requote me please - look at that spelling! lol

Thanks!

 

[Xenn]

Oh requote me please - look at that spelling! lol

Haha, done.

 

[Exorcet]

Longevity of game for those who glitch/exploit <------>
Longevity of game for those who don't <----------------------------------------------->

Quite honestly it's probably the opposite. Those who play as intended seem to be interested in achievement. Those who don't want to race. GT5 online without locked content is basically infinite longevity. Conversely, after achieving 100%, there is nothing left to do.

I certainly don't want GT5 to last a short while, hence why I get around the things that are most likely to make me quit.

 

[EWS-USA]

Until these 'cheats' appeared I never realised so many self-righteous d**** were on the internet, getting all worked up about the amount of virtual money people have.

I applaud anyone who used this 'cheat' to buy the cars they wanted to buy and spent their time, not grinding, but driving the tracks they love.

Anyone that draws any comparisons between GT5 behaviour/morality and the real world needs a reality check (and also should never buy a FPS in case they have to kill anybody). Would I hand in a wallet dropped on the floor in a shop? Yes. Would I 'cheat' to earn money in a game? Yes. Once is a infinitely more true marker of my character than the other.

👍

 

[NjLowrider]

Just an observation based on the comments of those who do glitch/exploit the game v those who dont....interestingly the glitchers seem to be more vocal about their views on the "poor content" of the game... in other words they bought a game that doesn't really suit their desires.. ie just give me the game and let me have every car and every track and unlimited money upfront thanks...

Longevity of game for those who glitch/exploit <------>
Longevity of game for those who don't <----------------------------------------------->

This is entirely wrong. I will be playing this for many years to come. And I've duped and glitched.

It's probably the opposite.

While we have money and cars keeping us from doing Indy a million times and getting extremely bored.

You goody two shoes get to drive Indy Again and again.

Now tell me whose bored.

 

[Tyger]

You got the wrong end of the stick. Nobody is denying the update is real anymore.
No wonder: http://www.gran-turismo.com/sg/news/d11551.html


Xenn was asking for proof that someone has used the glitch after the update.

Although I doubt the poster Xenn spoke of had updated as he is also in the UK.

Ah my bad, apologies then. Serves me right for skim reading the thread

 

[the.true.samiam]

I say again, where are the mods? One little "Some people need to calm down" warning that is completely ignored, and then nothing? GTP is a joke. Wasn't this thread about the patch, and what it contains? Don't we now KNOW what it contains? Then why is this bitchfest still open?

 

[Zoom!Zoom!]

I find it funny some people complain about the damage in GT5 while others wants to drive through walls.

 

[Dreadin]

I say again, where are the mods? One little "Some people need to calm down" warning that is completely ignored, and then nothing? GTP is a joke. Wasn't this thread about the patch, and what it contains? Don't we now KNOW what it contains? Then why is this bitchfest still open?

I second that and asked earlier....

 

[steven]

I say again, where are the mods? One little "Some people need to calm down" warning that is completely ignored, and then nothing? GTP is a joke. Wasn't this thread about the patch, and what it contains? Don't we now KNOW what it contains? Then why is this bitchfest still open?

I say you watch your tongue, young friend, and read the AUP before making any more nasty remarks, or your career in GTP will be very short-lived 👎

 

[NjLowrider]

Just an observation based on the comments of those who do glitch/exploit the game v those who dont....interestingly the glitchers seem to be more vocal about their views on the "poor content" of the game... in other words they bought a game that doesn't really suit their desires.. ie just give me the game and let me have every car and every track and unlimited money upfront thanks...

Longevity of game for those who glitch/exploit <------>
Longevity of game for those who don't <----------------------------------------------->

This is entirely wrong! I have duped glitched and grinded. And I will still be playing online for years to come.

I love to race cars! All different cars! So I'm addicted to money and cars. Sue me.

If this was an online only game I would've still bought it. Thats where all games are going! Online! Who buys call of duty for the campaign mode? No one!

I think it's just the opposite. The people who are duping and glitching have a real passion for the game but a hatred for the horrible money and xp system. And because we have money and cars we will not get bored, and you "goody two shoes" will race Indy a million times and still not have enough for a miura, and move on to something else.

 

[punggolian]

No problem buddy... its just the spoiled kids from internet...

You did a good job, thanks.

Thank you, buddy!