Update Patch 1.08 is up

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I thought someone had fired up a weed-eater somewhere near my house, but it turns out it was just the BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWing going on at this website.

Yes, grindning is boring.

Yes, I want duping back.

Yes, even I admit collecting those payouts was a thrill.

But the SSR7 glitch was pushing it too far. You'd go online and half the rooms would be something like "SSR7 GLITCH GET CA$$$$$$$$H NOW $$$$$". It was just ridiculous. I used it only minimally and I refuse to complain about the fix, or sympathize with anyone complaining about it. It was just too much, and I and everyone else knew PD wouldn't put up with it for long.

Cry me a river already, you guys make reading this site a sickening thing. Always crying about cheating...are you serious? None of this so called cheating in GT5 has an adverse affect on your gameplay at all, so what are you crying about. Play the game it was meant to be played? Maybe if PD built the game how it was meant to be we would have to resort to things such as this to increase our enjoyment. Many of you must have hours upon hours of time to put into this game on a daily basis, but many do not and they just want to have fun of picking up a car tune it up and hit the track. Problem here is PD made it such an annoying thing that even that is hampered by unnecessary crap that creates artificial time increases. How do you find it fun to do the same 50 races of which like 4 or 5 are actually useful for gaining money? Problem is it's not fun because all you win is a lowly sum of cash and to gain a good deal of money you have to sink no less than 2 hours into an endurance race. Still won't be able to pick up a 20 million credit car after completing that 2 hour stint 3 times, lol. I don't mind grinding, but not when the grind itself is a grind to accomplish. Other GT's had a two fold reason to grind, gain a prize which you could sell and win cash, this game win cash and a lowly sum at that, forcing the grind to be even less enjoyable. The millions of people who grind in previous GT's know exactly what I speaking of, in spite of GT's flaws one thing you could count on was grinding for cash and cars so you can buy more cars and tune them to drive. This with all it's restrictions, clauses and superfluous shenanigans is crap...people will play a game endlessly because it brings them entertainment and doesn't bog them down with ridiculous feats just to have fun. PD needs to balance this crap out, increase cash payouts for all races to offset those ridiculous prices for cars and this incredibly dumb gift car price cap. Why have gift cars at all when you can't gift any and every car that is obtainable within the normal game? The gift car function actually increased the amount of people playing the game, because not some people who didn't have the time to split between the grind of A Spec and actual online play could get cars and race with people rather than be bored with the snorefest AI. I hate exclusivity within a game that everyone paid the same amount of money to have. I have no interest in using any of the 10+ credit autos as I have yet to find a reason to sit there and try to amass that amount of cash. PD is just making it harder for people to attain those cars if they really wanted them, now that you have to grind to get the car, will you put the time in to actually get it? With a family, probably not PD will only succeed at alienating more of it's older consumer base who grew up on GT. I tried that SS7 glitch for about 1 hour and got bored of it, didn't see the point of it and went back to racing, but others I know did it to get those expensive cars quickly so they never have to worry about buying them later on. People have their reasons you know, PD just keeps giving people reasons to do things in a drastic way to enjoy the game, soon will come the turning off and removing the disc, will PD start listening before that starts to happen? Who knows, but with the amount of elitist people who talk of "playing the game the way it was meant to be played" keep spouting nonsense...my guess will be never. I'll just enjoy it until it becomes a chore, then it's off to something fun.

Note the SSR7 glitch was no worse than duping cars, no worse than gifting 20 million credit cars either. PD is going after the wrong things, none of these things broke the game, it's the stupid restrictions that limit the enjoyment. Who cares how you attained a car, fact is we want to drive and race against one another in cars. If you can't use all the cars to find one you may like what is the point? Worse case you buy that 20 million car and you hate it to high hell, then what do you do with it? Not a thing, :indiff:, awesome i love how these guys have these knee jerk reaction to things that they basically are responsible for. Fix what needs to be fixed, more restrictions in online races, tightened penalty system, drive train limitations, car type limitation. Where is the mute all function? Where are the descriptive values for what power/weight your opponents cars are running, what driving aids are active? If we want clarity and smooth functionality we need things that will keep the playing field level, having a 20 million credit car doesn't = better driver or lap times.

How about the next fix actually fix things and not give us another restriction that forces us to grind mindlessly. Where is the ability to switch to B Spec drivers during endurance races(GT4 could do that for crying out loud). I don't care what people think is a great accomplishment if you can sit through a 24 hour endurance race, great for you. I will not attempt something like that, I want option to skip that whole mess if I have to and share duty with the B Spec driver still my game and A Spec and B Spec are both mine, so I should be afforded that option. I'm just saying?
 
Quite honestly it's probably the opposite. Those who play as intended seem to be interested in achievement. Those who don't want to race. GT5 online without locked content is basically infinite longevity. Conversely, after achieving 100%, there is nothing left to do.

I certainly don't want GT5 to last a short while, hence why I get around the things that are most likely to make me quit.

See I feel the opposite with that. Part of the fun for me is finding new cars in the UCD after time. If I had them all from the start I would probably get bored with it and give up. If I ever even hit 100% I'd probably still play, honestly I'm sitting at level 34 right now and not moving probably for a while as I just enjoy playing online, even though I only make small amounts of XP for it.
 
Just an observation based on the comments of those who do glitch/exploit the game v those who dont....interestingly the glitchers seem to be more vocal about their views on the "poor content" of the game... in other words they bought a game that doesn't really suit their desires.. ie just give me the game and let me have every car and every track and unlimited money upfront thanks...

Longevity of game for those who glitch/exploit <------>
Longevity of game for those who don't <----------------------------------------------->

How much you make out of the glitch, i seen you in there buddy, can't put your psn id attached to your post and think you can claim the moral high ground. Bet you claim you did it only once too see what the fuss was about and you had all the cars and 20 mill and 38 XP already.
 
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I think it's just the opposite. The people who are duping and glitching have a real passion for the game but a hatred for the horrible money and xp system. And because we have money and cars we will not get bored, and you "goody two shoes" will race Indy a million times and still not have enough for a miura, and move on to something else.

Or they will just play races on and offline and when it comes it comes, when it doesn't it doesn't. They don't need to get it today they can just save up. Some people do that... just like in real life you can't always have it RIGHT NOW.
 
I say you watch your tongue, young friend, and read the AUP before making any more nasty remarks, or your career in GTP will be very short-lived 👎

No offense but with everything that has been said in this thread you are calling him out on this?
 
Interesting thread.

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Have fun guys. :dopey:


And thanks for the update infos. 👍
 
If I can get it RIGHT NOW. I will get it RIGHT NOW. That's how life works.

And you will be bored and not have fun doing 1000 laps around indy.

I may not have the car, but at least I will enjoy my time playing using what I have and racing against other people.

Sometimes you can't have everything right now, I want a Ferrari (in real life) but I don't have the money. The fact I want it RIGHT NOW won't even get me a cup of coffee let alone the car. Thats how life works.
 
Just an observation based on the comments of those who do glitch/exploit the game v those who dont....interestingly the glitchers seem to be more vocal about their views on the "poor content" of the game... in other words they bought a game that doesn't really suit their desires.. ie just give me the game and let me have every car and every track and unlimited money upfront thanks...

You are making the common mistake extending the true situation to it's logical extreme and then blanketing everyone with it...

My situation (and I think it covers most peoples who aren't satisifed) isn't just give me the game and let me have every car and every track and unlimited money upfront thanks

You see you are missing that there is some middle ground between the way it is now put massively huge grind barriers between me and a large portion fo the cars in the game and give it all to me right now

And this is where most good games fit and what most gamers want, which is:

Give me a huge number of cars and tracks, and space them out in such a way that the journey to getting them is enjoyable and rewarding the whole way.

Once you realize that the it's a false dichotomy to assume everyone either wants the game as it is or wants it all now, you will be better able to comprehend what many of us are saying.

Longevity of game for those who glitch/exploit <------>
Longevity of game for those who don't <----------------------------------------------->

Actually this is more how I see it:


What most people were hoping for when they bought GT5:

<-------------------------------------------- This is so fun! ------------------------------------------------ This is so fun! ------------------------------------------------ This is so fun! ------------------------------------------------ This is so fun! ------------------------------------------------ This is so fun! ------------------------------------------------ This is so fun! ------------------------------------------------ This is so fun! ------------------------------------------------ This is so fun! ------------------------------------------------ This is so fun! ------------------------------------------------ This is so fun! --------->

Logevity for most people without glitching/exploits:
<------------- WTF... the part to the right, this is not fun. I am done.

Logevity for most people with glitching/exploits:
<-------------------------- WTF, this looks really unpleasant - glitch! Whew I am past that -------------------------------------------------->

Logevity for the few people who really enjoy the grind:

<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AWESOME I can afford a racecar! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sweet I got an X1! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->


Basically what I am saying is that yes, those who are in the niche group who love the grind, they get by far the most out of the game. But you have to be in that group to enjoy the longevity... you can't just force people who don't like the grind to grind and then they magically will enjoy it... that would be like saying "I love greenbeans and I love eating 10 lbs of greenbeans thus if I find someone who doens't like greenbeans and also force them to eat 10 lbs, they will love it because they have eaten 10 lbs of greenbeans!)

But the vast majority of people are not in that group.

And the vast majority of people expected a lot of just constant rewarding enjoyable playtime out of GT5.

What they ended up with was a choice between just giving up early and realizing the game was poorly designed thus cutting their time short, or glithching past the part they didn't like (thus essentially fixing the game) and getting to enjoy the rest of the game, although even with this setup it's still shorter than they would have liked, but it's the lesser of two evils in terms of getting your enjoyment from the game.

See what I am saying?

I may not have the car, but at least I will enjoy my time playing using what I have and racing against other people.

So will I... but I have way more than you have now... so the logical conclusoin is I have many more opportunities to have fun playing with what I have against other people.

Sometimes you can't have everything right now, I want a Ferrari (in real life) but I don't have the money. The fact I want it RIGHT NOW won't even get me a cup of coffee let alone the car. Thats how life works.

Yeah that's life... and that's why I don't play second life... becuase I am not going to pay money to go through the same grind I do in real life... I pay money for people to provide me entertainment and in the case of gaming, that means distilling an experience down to mostly the enjoyable aspects.

If I wanted more of my real life grind I would just get a second job.
 
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So will I... but I have way more than you have now... so the logical conclusoin is I have many more opportunities to have fun playing with what I have against other people.

You missed my point, he was lumping all players who don't cheat in as "grinders". Theres plenty of us that play the game, and never ever grind. I am level 34 and have NOT ONCE grinded ever in this game. I don't have all the cars, I only have about 250 but I'm pretty happy with the contents of my garage only missing a couple I really want, that I will get, eventually.

So if you want it right now and don't have the money you will either cheat or grind. If you're bored with grinding and you won't cheat then you just can't have it right now.
 
You missed my point, he was lumping all players who don't cheat in as "grinders". Theres plenty of us that play the game, and never ever grind. I am level 34 and have NOT ONCE grinded ever in this game. I don't have all the cars, I only have about 250 but I'm pretty happy with the contents of my garage only missing a couple I really want, that I will get, eventually.

So if you want it right now and don't have the money you will either cheat or grind. If you're bored with grinding and you won't cheat then you just can't have it right now.

See that's the problem, I was only level 29 or so, but I wasn't gonna get level 35 without grinding because I missed a lot of the big seasonal payouts.

And I had a garage of over 100 cars some of which I really enjoyed... and I am in no hurry to have it all now... I wanted this game to last years and I was prepared to get a car a month if that's what it came down to as long as I was having fun the whole way...

Problem was I wasn't having fun anymore and getting mroe cars was going to be a grind (I am talking the expensive cars 2 mill and up).

What I managed to do was buy up all the really expensive cars and bank a few mill so that now I don't have to worry about those 20 mill cars, they are there when I am ready for them. And I have a bankroll so if 9 cars hit the UCD that I really want, I can probably afford them.

So now I am free to choose what events I want to do that are left with what car I want and I can buy almost any car that comes along reasonably easily with upgrades.

That's fun for me... I can now do it all at a reasonable pace.

So now my garage is up well over 200 (including all the 20 mill cars that I probably honest'y won't even touch for quite a while) and I have a slew of nice cars to play with.

But I left all the sub 1 mill cars for later purchase turning the UCD into what I find enjoyable:

A random lottery of cars that may tickle my fancy on any given day, or may not.

For me this has greatly extended the fun of GT5... I no longer have that cloud of cars that just frustrate me because they representa grind hanging over my head and I have a bankroll reasonble enough to be comfortable buying what I need to have fun, but also with enough room left to collect some earnings from events and races.

If it weren't for this, I would be pretty much done with GT5 in the next few weeks as I exhaustd my car selection racing people online and couldn't be bothered to keep earning enough to buy more cars and upgrades at the pace they pay out.

That said, I am far from having everything right now... I intentionally dont have everything... I only have the things that I felt were breaking the experience and looming over my game play.

See my goal isn't to get to Level 33 and have 150 cars without ever grinding... my goal is to get every car I might be interested in driving and tuning it every way I might be interested in tuning it without grinding.

I have now gotten to the bump I need to make that possibility a reality!

Now if only there were more tracks...
 
Here's the real question. Is exploiting something that was programmed into the game...either by fault or by accident or on purpose for easy money...really cheating? It's in the game...you can do it...therefor in reality..its part of the programming in the game. Glitch away if you fell the need...b*tch away if you feel it's cheating...follow all the rules if you feel otherwise. Everyone has their own way of playing a game. Why b*tch and moan...how is it affecting your personal game if someone else grinds or exploits a glitch. Most people who b*tch are just jealous they didn't find the glitch themselves.
 
Well i hope this means i wont see all aussie servers hosting 200 lap SSR7 races.

I rather race the correct way with skill, rather than a bug
 
Here's the real question. Is exploiting something that was programmed into the game...either by fault or by accident or on purpose for easy money...really cheating? It's in the game...you can do it...therefor in reality..its part of the programming in the game. Glitch away if you fell the need...b*tch away if you feel it's cheating...follow all the rules if you feel otherwise. Everyone has their own way of playing a game. Why b*tch and moan...how is it affecting your personal game if someone else grinds or exploits a glitch. Most people who b*tch are just jealous they didn't find the glitch themselves.

They're cheating themselves. It's up to one's own personal opinion on whether they want the reward of knowing they earned every car/credit properly, in the way the game intended.

Of course, human nature dictates that people are inheritantly selfish. People want to get something for free, or feel that they have acquired something that others have not. This world revolves around wealth; not only for bragging rights, but for self-satisfaction. And that translates into everything we do, including video games.
 
Cheating? I personally think anyone that used an over powered car to win or grinds with a overly fast car is just as much a cheater.

You chose to do it the easy way. These others did as well.

So in reality. Anyone that used over powered cars to win are cheaters.

Here is a noble idea. Mind your own business and so t worry what I or anyone else does. That is relative to gaming.

Stop telling people how to play the game they bought.

I hope ban hammer comes out over the txt talk and personal bashing.
I call foul on your "People who uses overpowered cars are cheaters." argument.

This isn't cheating because Polyphony intended to allow us to use any cars for the Sunday Cup. That means that they won't patch up the right for you to blow your way through a victory with a X1. The SSR7 glitch is cheating because as we can see, Polyphony Digital had no intentions for us to gain millions of credits doing donuts below the track within twenty minutes or less, it doesn't work that way.
 
They're cheating themselves. It's up to one's own personal opinion on whether they want the reward of knowing they earned every car/credit properly, in the way the game intended.

Of course, human nature dictates that people are inheritantly selfish. People want to get something for free, or feel that they have acquired something that others have not. This world revolves around wealth; not only for bragging rights, but for self-satisfaction. And that translates into everything we do, including video games.
But are they really cheating themselves? You could say you won every car in the game legit by never grinding or exploiting a glitch..and I could cry BS because I never witnessed you doing it. Flip the coin...I could tell you I maxed out to 20 mill by never grinding and never exploiting any aspect of the game..and you could cry BS. So in reality...who wins or loses? Nobody.

Grind if you want...glitch if you want...b*tch if you want. Nobody wins...nobody loses. Intent or not on PD's part...it's in the game...therefore in my opinion...it's not cheating.
 
Here's the real question. Is exploiting something that was programmed into the game...either by fault or by accident or on purpose for easy money...really cheating? It's in the game...you can do it...therefor in reality..its part of the programming in the game. Glitch away if you fell the need...b*tch away if you feel it's cheating...follow all the rules if you feel otherwise. Everyone has their own way of playing a game. Why b*tch and moan...how is it affecting your personal game if someone else grinds or exploits a glitch. Most people who b*tch are just jealous they didn't find the glitch themselves.

My gut reaction is that PD could care less about the cheating aspect per se' but it is being done online and taking online resources and therefore is a bit of a black eye to the game. It is basically a group showing the world a programming flaw.

So if I had written a program and saw 100's of people online making use of a piece of flawed code I would fix it too not because I cared they were making millions but because it makes me as a programmer look bad.
 
I say you watch your tongue, young friend, and read the AUP before making any more nasty remarks, or your career in GTP will be very short-lived 👎

Well, I made a little swear word there, one that has been deemed okay for primetime television for about fifteen years now, hoping to get the attention of the mod that is surely monitoring this thread. And instead I get this guy? A RACE STEWARD? Where are the THREAD STEWARDS? Hey steven, please quote me the part of the AUP that you believe I violated, and maybe even report my post. Maybe that will bring back the mods, and they'll finally see the light and close this profane thread! If I get an infraction or even a ban for saying 'bitchfest' to get them to close it, fine. I'm willing to take one for the team.

No offense but with everything that has been said in this thread you are calling him out on this?

Thank you. I'm assuming (generously, I guess) that he read the whole thread, I find it amazing that his first post in it was against my post. What a joke.
 
But are they really cheating themselves? You could say you won every car in the game legit by never grinding or exploiting a glitch..and I could cry BS because I never witnessed you doing it. Flip the coin...I could tell you I maxed out to 20 mill by never grinding and never exploiting any aspect of the game..and you could cry BS. So in reality...who wins or loses? Nobody.

They are cheating themselves, if they think they are.

It doesn't matter who is crying BS or not, as only the person who does (or does not do) the exploiting/cheating knows the truth. It's up to that person to live with it. For some it's an ethics thing, for others it's an advantage/disadvantage thing.

I just think too many people are trying to impose their own views/opinions on others.

Really, I couldn't care less if everyone else but me used the exploit to gain millions of credits, as long as it doesn't affect me. The only issue I see in all these discussions is that the number of people taking advantage of the exploit, was causing problems with the online rooms, and finding other places to actually race.

At first, I really didn't care about duping... let people dupe, if they want. It wasn't skin off my back. The only problem is that when PD "patched" it, they did a widespread change, and now I can't trade legitimately. Still, in the end it's just a game, so I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it.
 
My gut reaction is that PD could care less about the cheating aspect per se' but it is being done online and taking online resources and therefore is a bit of a black eye to the game. It is basically a group showing the world a programming flaw.

So if I had written a program and saw 100's of people online making use of a piece of flawed code I would fix it too not because I cared they were making millions but because it makes me as a programmer look bad.
true when you look at that aspect of it...but glitches have been around as long as there have been video games. No game is glitch free...so why try to be something that you can't be? Patch it if you find it...but to let something happen relentlessly while knowing of it...really isn't showing much pride in your program. PD should have removed the SS7 course as soon as the glitch was first exposed. By allowing people to exploit it..they opened the door to the candy shop and turned their back. I blame PD for allowing it to happen more than I blame the people who exploited it.
 
They're cheating themselves. It's up to one's own personal opinion on whether they want the reward of knowing they earned every car/credit properly, in the way the game intended.

Of course, human nature dictates that people are inheritantly selfish. People want to get something for free, or feel that they have acquired something that others have not. This world revolves around wealth; not only for bragging rights, but for self-satisfaction. And that translates into everything we do, including video games.


No there not! Most that have done the glitch are accomplished ONLINE GTers who now have the cars to do some real good races online. You will now see a lot more lobbies open because they don't have to wast valuable online time repeat repeat repeating the ingame races to earn money to buy the cars to race online. The racing games have evolved and online racing is now a big part of them if not the main game, it’s far more of a reward to beat a good real driver than a crappy Ai driver (everyone complains about them) and to have a game that requires you to grind ingame races keeping you from the real thing is living in the passed. You can still have it in the game for the ones who like it (i still do) but have the online part of the game set up so you can jump straight into the best competition in the best car, and because of the glitch i got that now. If the glitch whingers just stayed in the offline game they so strongly believe in they wouldn’t even have known about the glitch let alone bitch so much about it. I bet the ones complaining the most don’t do much online and most likely are not good enough too, you know the ones, they learnt to drive from crappy AI and use other cars to bounce off to get round corners then rage quit when they loose.
 
With the length of the walls on SSR7 I wonder how long it will be before someone finds another exit. Not that I am bothered one way or the other.

I tried the glitch with friends twice. First time was just to see what it was all about. The second to chat to Friends I don't always see online and at least we got back to normal racing after one run on SSR7.

There was still no sign on an update in Europe as of about 15 minutes ago.
 
They're cheating themselves. It's up to one's own personal opinion on whether they want the reward of knowing they earned every car/credit properly, in the way the game intended.

Of course, human nature dictates that people are inheritantly selfish. People want to get something for free, or feel that they have acquired something that others have not. This world revolves around wealth; not only for bragging rights, but for self-satisfaction. And that translates into everything we do, including video games.

Of course that's with the false assumption that cheating the system means cheating yourself.

They are not one and the same.
 
true when you look at that aspect of it...but glitches have been around as long as there have been video games. No game is glitch free...so why try to be something that you can't be? Patch it if you find it...but to let something happen relentlessly while knowing of it...really isn't showing much pride in your program. PD should have removed the SS7 course as soon as the glitch was first exposed. By allowing people to exploit it..they opened the door to the candy shop and turned their back. I blame PD for allowing it to happen more than I blame the people who exploited it.

See I haven't been paying that much attention to the board and usually only play online with friends so haven't seen the SS7 glitch rooms and only heard about it on the board here about a week ago. So in my mind it felt like it sort of exploded out of control a week ago and if that was the case then a patch a week later feels right.

I personally don't fault either side. I've always thought of all types of hacking as something of a chess match. Someone finds a hole they patch it, they find another hole they patch it.

I think as software becomes more complex that is just how things go. Even the best programmers with decent size staffs and a couple hundred beta testers can't shake down software like the public does when you get millions testing things there are bound to be things even the best beta tests missed.
 
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