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User contributed Gran Turismo Magazine
- Thread starter Schwadegan
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- 1,138
- Pennsylvania
- slayer241991
- xXSurturRising
I was always taught if you didn't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything. There's a lot of people here who have put in a good amount time testing their creative skills. There's no need to come in here and start trashing something that people enjoy and have put time and effort into. If you have nothing constructive to contribute to this subject, I suggest taking your thoughts elsewhere.
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- Springfield, Missouri
- brettfavre26
Im starting on a new arcticle. My NASCAR one just never worked, it just felt like a complaint anyway I wrote it. A pipe dream if you will. I am thinking about an arch rival one, because the M3 v. C63 AMG one seemed to go very well with the public. I am thinking about Camaro v. Challenger v. Mustang or Impreza v. Lancer Evo.
I am going to work much harder on this one, because it seemed after reading through the News post and this thread, no one really seemed to like my Corvette one. I think making an arch rival article would be fun to make, and It would be fun for others to read. On one of my first (of many) posts in this thread, I said
"If OP likes my article, I would love to go long term"
Schwadegan-
"Its not if the OP likes it, its if the community likes it
"
I am going to work much harder on this one, because it seemed after reading through the News post and this thread, no one really seemed to like my Corvette one. I think making an arch rival article would be fun to make, and It would be fun for others to read. On one of my first (of many) posts in this thread, I said
"If OP likes my article, I would love to go long term"
Schwadegan-
"Its not if the OP likes it, its if the community likes it
"
- 792
- Sweden
Haha, that's awesome! Do you use the iBooks app?
Im starting on a new arcticle. My NASCAR one just never worked, it just felt like a complaint anyway I wrote it. A pipe dream if you will. I am thinking about an arch rival one, because the M3 v. C63 AMG one seemed to go very well with the public. I am thinking about Camaro v. Challenger v. Mustang or Impreza v. Lancer Evo.
I am going to work much harder on this one, because it seemed after reading through the News post and this thread, no one really seemed to like my Corvette one. I think making an arch rival article would be fun to make, and It would be fun for others to read. On one of my first (of many) posts in this thread, I said
"If OP likes my article, I would love to go long term"
Schwadegan-
"Its not if the OP likes it, its if the community likes it
And I stand by it! 👍
It was a whole lot of fun to read the comments from our readers when the magazine was posted on the front page of GTP, I noticed your article was very appreciated, so go for it!
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- Cairo, Egypt
- GTP_SEMS
May I just say a big thank you to every body here this is one mag I'll happily pay for ,brilliant gents 👍
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- North Carolina
- idrvfast427
- idrvfast
Haha, that's awesome! Do you use the iBooks app?
No. I use an app called Cloudreaders.
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- RC45
- RC45
If you did want to be critiqued, then you should not have put this production into the public domain.
I never "trashed" the production or visuals, just the content.
The Corvette article, as an example was a great idea poorly executed. The pictures and article layout where good, but if someone is going to take the trouble to write an article, the least they could do is be somewhat factual and accuratein their assessments and story telling.
Again, if you guys/gals dont want people critquing your work, dont publish it.
- 1,138
- Pennsylvania
- slayer241991
- xXSurturRising
What you're doing is not critquing, what you're doing is basically saying while the producer did great (which he definitely did), the rest of us shouldn't have bothered wasting our time. You had nothing positive to say about any individual contributions. All you did was point out what was wrong with stuff. Criticism works both ways. Besides, I doubt you're a professional journalist, so I agree with what MrMulsanne said. Why don't you put forth the effort and contribute something better instead of trying to find what's wrong with everyone's articles?
Im starting on a new arcticle. My NASCAR one just never worked, it just felt like a complaint anyway I wrote it. A pipe dream if you will. I am thinking about an arch rival one, because the M3 v. C63 AMG one seemed to go very well with the public. I am thinking about Camaro v. Challenger v. Mustang or Impreza v. Lancer Evo.
I am going to work much harder on this one, because it seemed after reading through the News post and this thread, no one really seemed to like my Corvette one. I think making an arch rival article would be fun to make, and It would be fun for others to read. On one of my first (of many) posts in this thread, I said
"If OP likes my article, I would love to go long term"
Schwadegan-
"Its not if the OP likes it, its if the community likes it
Hey man, don't worry about one person's comments, this is suppossed to be fun. The magazine is based on our experiences within the game. It's not suppossed to be a regimented publication with only professional journalists writing and prefessional drivers testing the cars. This production is real people telling their GT stories. It's the everyman's magazine. I didn't see one article in the whole first issue anywhere near being considered "rubbish." Everybody exhibited some creativity in puting this together. There is always room for everyone to improve, no matter who you are are what you're doing. I respect the fact you're making an effort to improve, but don't be too hard on yourself. The rest of us enjoyed the Corvette article and certainly look forward to another contribution from you. 👍
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- Sweden
Fair enough you didn't care too much about the style that specific article was written, there was probably (or should I say hopefully) some of the other articles that suited your taste better. This is the same thing as when we discussed the be or not to be of fan-fiction in the magazine; Some like it, others don't. And if you're not happy about the content in an article or the way it's written, you know what that's fine too. The point is that in a user-contributed magazine there will be stories of all kinds. Then if the parts you consider factual errors isn't worth the read, there are plenty of other articles to go around.
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- RC45
- RC45
No I am not - but I did publish 1 issue of an online magazine back before it was considered cutting edge and cool - hell it was in 2006 before YouTube even took off properly and people specifically told me to NOT do it online as "no way will a virual magazine be accepted over paper print".
I was ahead of my time
So I so actually understand what goes into such an endevour, understand how to edit and layout and understand that whil eyou try deliver your vision it needs to appeal to a broader audiance to take off.
eZine
http://www.nthimage.com/Zero_to_100_and_Back/Zero to 100 and Back Issue 1.zip
Track Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80EkNMXl2Ds
Back then there where no online embedding or other tools to assist in delivery, so we did the wholething in PDF and embedded out video and links etc.
With this in mind I have actually been keeping an eye on the progress of the endevour and been hoping you guys have great success.
Dont always assume that people who critque your work dont have a positive motive to do so
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- 1,138
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- slayer241991
- xXSurturRising
No I am not - but I did publish 1 issue of an online magazine back before it was considered cutting edge and cool - hell it was in 2006 before YouTube even took off properly and people specifically told me to NOT do it online as "no way will a virual magazine be accepted over paper print".
I was ahead of my time
So I so actually understand what goes into such an endevour, understand how to edit and layout and understand that whil eyou try deliver your vision it needs to appeal to a broader audiance to take off.
http://www.nthimage.com/Zero_to_100_and_Back/Zero to 100 and Back Issue 1.zip
Back then there where no online embedding or other tools to assist in delivery, so we did the wholething in PDF and embedded out video and links etc.
With this in mind ihave actually been keeping an eye on the progress of the endevour and been hoping you guys have great success.
Dont always assume that people who critque your work dont have a positive motive to do so
First off, I would like to say I stand for corrected in challeneging your knowledge in journalism and publishing. However, while you may have had good intentions and positive thoughts in mind, I'm sure more people than just myself and BigMacAttack thought you came off in a pretty negative way. I felt that if you did have positive intentions, they were relatively unclear. I don't think many of us were able to fully grasp the meaning of your comments.
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- Springfield, Missouri
- brettfavre26
Yes, I understand your right to criticize. Yes I understand my article wasn't the best. But I said about 3 posts north of yours that I was going to try and improve to the best of my ability. You don't need to come in and try and kick me in the balls. I'm sorry the magazine wasn't built to your standard. I can understand you adding constructive criticism and moving on. But it seems like youv'e made it your duty to say "Look at me, I did this "before it was cool". None of you are good enough, this magazine sucks, you all should just quit now." Seriously dude, just get over yourself.
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- RC45
- RC45
I actually said the production was well done - I commented on the content of an article. You people dont take critcism very well at all - perhaps you should get over yourself "dude". I have to guess that you are both teens with very fragile egos - no adults could take critque this badly.
Doesnt matter how slick the presentation (and it is slick) - the content is what you will live or die by. Grow a pair and take your licks, go back and make the next issue even better.
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- Springfield, Missouri
- brettfavre26
Heres the thing- criticism we can take. But you just come off as a prick. You just keep taking cheap shots. Just calm down and realize that this is a magazine for fun, and we are all amateurs. And even if I am a teen, why aren't you the responsible adult and taking my critique of your posts lighter? I smell a hipocrite.
And I'm done arguing, as nothing productive can come out of it, and this is my code i live by on the internet (even though I don't care for the word retarded or the hostility of it, the point is very valid)
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No cheap shots and I am the calm one here.
Again, the product is well put together and makes very good use of available technology and looks very sophisticated - I never said it wasn't.
Reading your article I was trying to imagine what it would take to force the cars to behave the way you claim they did - and it seem syou have to go out of your way to replicate the behaviour your wrote about - do you play GT5 with a controller or a wheel?
In order to do the game justice and then do the car justice and then be able to write a decent piece about the car you need to be able to appropriately control the car or your prose will come off as improbable and unbelievable.
That was the failure of the article - its technical content did not match the quality of presentation.
You may think I am being a prick for delivering honest criticism, but as you mature you will begin to appreciate honest criticism from people. That is the only way you can grow and improve - if you know what needs to be improved on.
I would say it or leave it, but am not sure what graphic should be used to represent the sentiment...
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- Sweden
BigMac & RC45, You both feel strongly about your work as well as this magazine which is great. However It seems maybe this time you'll have to agree to disagree, but if you want to continue discussing the matter, I'd recommend sending the other a PM instead of taking it up further in this thread.
It feels like I'm trying to censure you guys, but that's not the point. I just don't want you bring down the casual and easygoing attitude I feel we have going here. Of course we should aim to keep as high production value as possible, but never at the expense of feeling that we do what we do because we love doing it, and doing it out of interest and love about a game series that we want others to take part of and experience.
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I currently have six articles sent in and approved for the next edition, seeing that we got nine (some of them was really long) there's plenty of room left for all of you who want to send in articles! There's no date set for when you can't send more articles, but as always, if you're too late to make the cut we'll save it for the future
It feels like I'm trying to censure you guys, but that's not the point. I just don't want you bring down the casual and easygoing attitude I feel we have going here. Of course we should aim to keep as high production value as possible, but never at the expense of feeling that we do what we do because we love doing it, and doing it out of interest and love about a game series that we want others to take part of and experience.
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I currently have six articles sent in and approved for the next edition, seeing that we got nine (some of them was really long) there's plenty of room left for all of you who want to send in articles! There's no date set for when you can't send more articles, but as always, if you're too late to make the cut we'll save it for the future
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- Sweden
- 523
- Florida
When I finally finished cleaned the vomit off my keyboard after looking at your cover, I decided to skim through your magazine. I had to clean up again after viewing your contents page, but I think my stomach was sufficiently empty after that... so I continued scrolling through the rest of the pdf. You seem to lack good typographic knowledge and your image placement is pretty poor as well. The overall layout of the articles and spread shots are actually pretty nice, but if you're going to float images over other images you need borders or drop shadows or something.
Now I guess your main problem with GTLife is the writing, is that correct? While I didn't take the time to read anything from your magazine I will also admit that I have yet to read anything in GTLife either; so I'm not at liberty to comment on the articles themselves. However, as I am a graphic designer and not a writer, I wouldn't want to critique something I am incognizant of. Though I am sure you took into account the fact that English may not be the primary language of the authors during your criticism, right?
- 1,138
- Pennsylvania
- slayer241991
- xXSurturRising
Please guys, if you want to continue to battle back and forth, take it to PM. Once was enough. We buried the hatchet and laid it to rest. It doesn't need to be brought back up.
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- Springfield, Missouri
- brettfavre26
Damn,I need to get my butt into (top) gear and get to work on this! Ive chosen to do a Pony Car race between the Mustang, Challenger, and Camaro. Now, only problem... Modern, Classic, or both?
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- Springfield, Missouri
- brettfavre26
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
Like I said, try to do better yourself.
A VALID question. What software should be used for typing up articles?
- 792
- Sweden
The preferred format would be .doc, Openoffice or Word will do the trick and I'm sure there are a lot of other applications you could use as well.
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- Florida
Are you recalling the fact that you said that to him, or are you directing it to me this time? I'm on your side here.
If it's the latter, I have done magazine layouts before; which is why I feel like I can provide constructive criticism here. GTLife is very well done. His magazine could use a little finessing. I could show examples of my work, but I'm not here for a d--- measuring contest like RC45 seems to be.
Word works for typing. Or are you wanting to do layouts? You'll want to check out InDesign in that case.
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