VCRC vintage & low power :: Sunday 3pm GMT / 10am US EST

daanhardeman
Perhaps i can make it this sunday if there's room. And the pics of the last race look awesome... Really cool color/rim combinations there, props!
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Make sure you read the first couple posts to familiarize yourself with procedures and expected conduct and then send a FR to Watermelon punch and myself (I am currently guest hosting) on PSN. Look forward to racing with you. 👍
 
I'm very ashamed guys :guilty:
2.32 is of course absolutely ********. I don't know , I just remembered wrong or something :confused:
anyhow....
I just drove a few laps online with the official settings and did a 2.36,998 .
but average is about 2.37,3xx - 7xx.
these times are approved because I'm sitting in front of my screen :lol:.
I guess these times are ok .
2.32 !!! I would love to see an alien driver do this , no way I can reach this :odd:
sorry if I shocked some of you guys,was surely not on purpose :cheers:

edit : it would be nice to read about your times aswell, because I don't wanna get surprised in the qualifying:gtpflag:
 
Hah, okay, I feel a bit relieved now. :lol: 2:37s online, I think that's reachable for me with some effort. Can't practise until later but I'll post my times as well once I do. :cheers:
 
Did a short run last night, managed a 2:38 flat but mostly knocking about in the vicinity of 2:38.5xx. :irked: Turns one and two are giving me fits. I can't figure out if it's best to treat it as a double or single apex corner -- double is easier to hit consistently but feels slow, single gives a better exit radius but means finding an apex out in 'no mans land' and getting it wrong means a trip off-course or a speed-killing lift. :crazy: Either way I feel several tenths getting away from me every lap.

If I could just figure out that and get a decent rhythm in the esses, I could drop down into the 2:37s. Rest of the lap feels okay, although the last complex is as much a mystery to me as it was in GT4. :lol:
 
amarynceos
Did a short run last night, managed a 2:38 flat but mostly knocking about in the vicinity of 2:38.5xx. :irked: Turns one and two are giving me fits. I can't figure out if it's best to treat it as a double or single apex corner -- double is easier to hit consistently but feels slow, single gives a better exit radius but means finding an apex out in 'no mans land' and getting it wrong means a trip off-course or a speed-killing lift. :crazy: Either way I feel several tenths getting away from me every lap.

If I could just figure out that and get a decent rhythm in the esses, I could drop down into the 2:37s. Rest of the lap feels okay, although the last complex is as much a mystery to me as it was in GT4. :lol:
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I'm taking the first corner with 1 apex , feels better for me . I also noticed that the apex at the right hander right before the tunnel is a bit weired . I have to do a bit of a wide entry with a late apex , If you know what I mean . in the esses I prefer to take the first left very early , then driving in a straight line till the right hander . a bit hard to explain in a foreign language :lol:
 
KingKlingeling
I'm taking the first corner with 1 apex , feels better for me . I also noticed that the apex at the right hander right before the tunnel is a bit weired . I have to do a bit of a wide entry with a late apex , If you know what I mean . in the esses I prefer to take the first left very early , then driving in a straight line till the right hander . a bit hard to explain in a foreign language :lol:
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Makes perfect sense to me. I moved my apex back on that turn before the tunnel as well; early apex there means early exit onto the grass (or crap exit speed). I like that approach to the esses; basically you're 'flattening' the corner and maximizing the time spent pointed straight. I've been tending to take the esses in two long continuous arcs, which can create a break in traction as the weight transfers, which tends to scrub off a lot of speed. I'm going to try your approach next time. 👍

What it reminds me of is advice I remember hearing from a F1 driving coach (can't remember his name) who often appeared on a F1 podcast that Peter Windsor used to do some years ago. This coach often talked about 'flattening' the corners like that as much as possible, finding all the little spots where you can straighten the car out and build up speed. I try to remember that approach but on track I often get hung up on maximizing mid-corner or apex speed and making long sweeping radii, which is often NOT the way to actually go fast. :ouch: Especially in low-powered low-grip cars like this one, where getting it straightened out and settled down is so essential!

Thanks for the tips! Hopefully I can find that elusive first turn apex. :dunce:

--amar
 
yup , I learned something in a bike racetrack training : neglect a corner to get the next one better .

what counts for bikes , counts for cars as well , I guess 👍
 
amarynceos
What it reminds me of is advice I remember hearing from a F1 driving coach (can't remember his name) who often appeared on a F1 podcast that Peter Windsor used to do some years ago. This coach often talked about 'flattening' the corners like that as much as possible, finding all the little spots where you can straighten the car out and build up speed. I try to remember that approach but on track I often get hung up on maximizing mid-corner or apex speed and making long sweeping radii, which is often NOT the way to actually go fast. :ouch: Especially in low-powered low-grip cars like this one, where getting it straightened out and settled down is so essential!
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That's the key to it all, cars always go faster they straighter they're going. The sooner you can unwind the wheel the better. Arcs feel nice and smooth but you're scrubbing speed the whole way and the longer the arc the more speed you lose.

Of the two corners in question, I try to take turns 1 and 2 as a strange double-apex. I go in fairly straight, turn sharp to the right and try to straighten it up while just clipping the inside curb with the right side and pushing out on the exit, letting the left side get on the curbs. For the esses I do like King, make a quick/sharp left and then straighten it up while trying to get the left side wheels in the grass (keeping the right side on the curb). Come out of it in a straight line headed for the right-hander but as far to the left side of the track as possible. A late turn in for the right-hander is what you want as it tightens up a bit, turn in too early and you'll be visiting the grass on the left side of the track on exit.

I think I take the final 4 turns differently every time.....they're a bit of a mystery to me as well.

KingKlingeling
yup , I learned something in a bike racetrack training : neglect a corner to get the next one better .

what counts for bikes , counts for cars as well , I guess 👍
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I've heard that referred to as a "sacrificial corner", meaning you sacrifice speed through it in order to gain exit speed on the next corner. Exit speed is really the only speed that matters, focusing on improving that is the best thing you can do to improve your times. 👍
 
All right, got a nice 2:37.1xx at the end of a 12 lap online run, car really comes to life as the fuel burns off. Still mired in the low 2:38s on heavy fuel, but getting better -- turned at least three laps in the mid 2:37s once the car lightened up so that's a good improvement. Not quite as fast as I'd like but I think I can shift my goal back to 'podium' again. :D

'Sacrificial corner' is the term I've heard as well, and the left-hand part of the esses is a perfect example. It's basically the least important corner at Motegi in terms of making time (ignoring the two flat sweepers, which are turn six and the one before the final chicaney thing).
 
Had a productive night of practice with @SpeedyMcQueen :sly:

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We're switching to daylight savings tonight. Is the U.S. switching too?

If I remember correctly the U.K. switches in a couple of weeks, not sure about the Deutschelanders though.
 
kcheeb
We're switching to daylight savings tonight. Is the U.S. switching too?

If I remember correctly the U.K. switches in a couple of weeks, not sure about the Deutschelanders though.
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Yes, the U.S. moves forward one hour tonight.
 
Ha! I was just rushing here to see if this had been addressed...
The time change!
BOY Daylight Savings Time is one of my big pet peeves!!

Europe doesn't change until the end of hte month.
So starting tomorrow, we'll only be 4 hours difference from london. :ouch:
It's so confusing. I don't even know if I'm going to make it tomorrow.

But basically to keep it at the same time GMT, it would be an hour later US EST. I think that's how it works.
 
AboveMeIsCool
US players arrive an hour later than usual, is that correct?
So the rest of the world wouldn't have to change what time they arrive, i believe.
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This. We will use the same GMT time so for now Muricans and Canucks will show up an hour later at 11am EDT and for everyone else it will be the normal time.
 
I can race today:)

Haven't heard of this term before, I try remind myself "slow in fast out", fast in slow out I've crashed:crazy:

Ive done a couple of bike trackdays Kling, really good:)
 

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