VCRC - Volvo Estate Wagon Race ... Wednesday 28th anyone?

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Instead of deep forest fwd, try deep forest reverse. It eliminates the bottle neck at the corner everyone cuts. It's a fun romp and you have to risk it on the first turn if you want good speed through the first sector.
 
watermelonpunch
Chuyler1 has yet to accept my friend request... but I intend to test the "Lemons Country Circuit"
(If for no other reason than I'm a custom course junkie. lol)
So will have to report back on that, & how the Volvo reacts on it.
(Not even sure what environment that is... I'm assuming Eifel Circuit...)
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It's a Toscana track. Eifel drives me nuts, unless it's a kart track because every turn ends up blind. My Toscana track is very easy to navigate and is mostly full throttle in the Volvo. I accepted your FR this morning and made sure the track was shared. I also ran a quick 3 lap race against the A.I. The Volvo is fun on the track and the hills are not a problem. A quick tip, explore the red zone on the tachometer and you'll be rewarded with a little better acceleration. Drivers who still run auto-tragic may have a little trouble in this car.
 
RE: Deep Forest
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6720424#post6720424
Yeah, that's a bit of an annoying thing. But I've given up on it, because of the bottle neck situation. :(

RE: Blind corners

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I love anything that harshly punishes imprudence, particularly eager risk-taking, and excessively aggressive cornering. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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I think I may have the Lemons Country course shared if you want to look there.

Either of the Easter slots work for me.
 
ID_racing
A non-christian american??! Amen!
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What do you Europeans think all Americans are Christian? We're the melting pot here!!
Massimo Pigliucci 👍

That said, there are lots of people observing religious rites all over the world... and I do try to be sensitive to them all, if they're interested in racing with me. ;)
 
TRACK ORDER

Okay... so, if these are the tracks for the races, what order shall we put them in, bearing in mind that there will be qualifying for Race #1, and then Reverse Grid Order for all the rest.
In other words, I'd like to put them in order starting with the most likely to bottle neck on lap 1 to the least likely to bottle neck on lap 1. Make sense?

I'd like to get some opinions other than my own.
My first knee-jerk impulse is this order... but I'd like to know if anyone has a more stewardship-friendly order. heehee.

  • Deep Forest
  • Autumn Ring Mini
  • Madrid Mini
  • Rome
  • Lemons Country

And here's the details on the Lemons Country Circuit
lemonscountrycircuitbychuyler1.jpg
 
I would put Autumn Ring Mini first. That is the most technical of the bunch and it will be a cluster-fudge with reverse grid. The first sector of Deep Forest can be hairy, but once people get single file it will smooth out. Things will never smooth out at Autumn Ring Mini until the faster drivers have plowed through the field.
 
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  1. Autumn Ring Mini
  2. Deep Forest
  3. Madrid Mini
  4. Rome
  5. Lemons Country

Note: I'm not advocating for plowing either way! :lol:
I expect everyone to remember they're trailing a big long tail. hahahahahah
This will come into the equation when passing on corners.
The AIs in the practice 1-make were not very good at holding their lines through turns. :lol:
I expect real people to do better than that! :P 👍
:scared: :eek: :crazy:
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
 
watermelonpunch
Note: I'm not advocating for plowing either way! :lol:
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I understand...I'm the same way...until I realize my closest opponent might slip by a front running slow poke and check out. When you and your opponent can run within 2/10ths of each other, it can be frustrating to have to linger behind someone running 1 second slower for a lap knowing the longer you wait to make your move the less chance you have of catching your true opponent.
 
chuyler1
I understand...I'm the same way...until I realize my closest opponent might slip by a front running slow poke and check out. When you and your opponent can run within 2/10ths of each other, it can be frustrating to have to linger behind someone running 1 second slower for a lap knowing the longer you wait to make your move the less chance you have of catching your true opponent.
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Well, this will be your chance to exercise patience.
:lol:

I guess I'm used to it... because I come up against this ALWAYS. As I generally always qualify much much lower than the drivers I'm actually competitive with, because I'm terrible at hot lapping PLUS, being the host & organizer, I usually never have a good chance with qualifying - too much distraction. :( But then I'm generally more consistent than some who generally qualify ahead of me. So the shorter the race, the more likely I am to come out ahead of someone who's faster than me, but less consistent.

I know some people advocate for putting slipstream on STRONG with lower powered cars, to make straight-passing more possible.
THat's something we can consider if you think it would make for a more manageable frenzy in these boats. LOL
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I don't think it would help that much on Rome (indeed, it might make things worse - LOL)... but surely it would help on Deep Forest & Autumn Ring Mini.
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dabneyd
I'll place my vote against. I've run both recently, and strong boost just feels unnatural to me.
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NO not boost!!!!

I hate boost....
(that's as unnatural as it can get :yuck: as well as terribly exploitable by the worst drivers. :ill:)

Slipstream strong or weak...

And if that's what you mean, what cars were you in with slipstream strong??

In fast cars - it does seem peculiar, but in those races I cite above, I doubt anyone even realized it was strong.
 
watermelonpunch
NO not boost!!!!

I hate boost....

Slipstream strong or weak...

And if that's what you mean, what cars were you in with slipstream strong??

In fast cars - it does seem peculiar, but in those races I cite above, I doubt anyone even realized it was strong.
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Woops, didn't mean to say that. Fixed.
 
dabneyd
Woops, didn't mean to say that. Fixed.
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Phew...
Okay so what cars did you try with slipstream strong and it felt wrong?

Because I do think there's a limit to where the cars if they're fast enough, then it just does feel like boost.
But in the rather slow cars, I'm not sure it's that noticeable.
 
I opened a public 450 room last weekend and put the slipstream on strong on accident. On anything with a reasonable straight it just felt really strong. That may be because I'm used to the light draft now. I guess I'll try some this weekend.
 
dabneyd
I opened a public 450 room last weekend and put the slipstream on strong on accident. On anything with a reasonable straight it just felt really strong. That may be because I'm used to the light draft now. I guess I'll try some this weekend.
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Oh heavens yeah, in cars tuned, 450pp... I think that's over the threshold for slipstream strong by a long shot, IMHO.

But when you're talking the real low power, honestly I can't say it's that noticeable.
The volvo estate wagon, unmodified, is pretty low powered for how heavy it is especially.

That said, I'd want to test it before making any decisions... since lurching pitch & roll in braking zones might come into the equation... And any lessening of passing debacles might be offset by more rear-ending incidents. LOL
 
Slipstream strong just causes leapfrogging. Where two drivers pass each other at the same place every lap. It's almost a guaranteed pass on some tracks because the slipstream will make up for any minor mistakes you make exiting turns and allow you to remain a draft pass distance away from your opponent.

Slipstream weak forces you to really work hard for a pass, and you don't dare step out of the draft unless you are confident you'll get by...because if you don't, the guy behind you will pass YOU and steal your spot in the draft.

Either way, a track like Autumn Ring Mini is unaffected by slipstream. The only way to pass is to out brake someone or steal their line. You'll never get a faster exit speed if they are hogging the line in front of you so it's either wait for them to make a mistake or make a hole for yourself. I'm just not a big fan of the track and place it in the same league as TGTT. Both are auto-cross time trial tracks, not wheel-to-wheel race tracks.
 
One big difference with TGTT... :lol:
(At least nobody will go the totally wrong way on ARMini. :lol: :lol: :lol:)

At any rate, the slipstream strong (in the variety races) didn't make a back & forth with the really super low powered cars on the tight tracks.
But it DID seem to give people an opportunity to follow close until a wider area & then go for it & make a clean pass that would stick... rather than trying to bungle up 2&3-wide in tighter sections.

Much smaller cars of course.

(Note: Autumn Ring Mini is one of my favourite tracks. But that should be looked at in the context of the types of cars that are my favourites - generally slow and/or very very very small cars. ;).)
 
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