Wallbanger's 1st annual million credit FF Summer Shootout!(6/19/11 final 7/17/11)

[Basilea]

Can you maybe rename the old thread to make it clear that this one is the actual thread for the challenge?

And what about the Trail/TRD Celica, can it be used? And if yes is, is it any good? VW New Beetle is a Race Car, no?

 

[Drewsifer3x]

There are 3 beetles I have seen
The 2.0, the RSR, (street cars) and the cup. (race)
TheTrial and trd celicas are legal according to my reading
(RSR is 4wd I think)

 

[AssassinTuner]

Can you maybe rename the old thread to make it clear that this one is the actual thread for the challenge?

And what about the Trail/TRD Celica, can it be used? And if yes is, is it any good? VW New Beetle is a Race Car, no?

TRD qualifies but I don't think it can handle the competition.

 

[tris_73]

And what about the Trail/TRD Celica, can it be used?

Isn't the Trial Celica almost at 500pp anyway? It would defeat the purpose of the comp to submit something that you haven't had much of an input into, ye/no?

 

[XDesperado67]

Okay just came across (and bought) the Spoon CIVIC type R (EK) '00. I can now definitely say this car is not eligible for the FF Summer Shootout. It's description clearly states it is a purpose built race car. As I come across other cars in question I'll make similar calls.

The VW New Beetle 2.0 '00 is eligible for use in the shootout. As someone else stated already the RSi version of the New Beetle is 4wd and thus ineligible for the shootout.

 

[Basilea]

Okay just came across (and bought) the Spoon CIVIC type R (EK) '00. I can now definitely say this car is not eligible for the FF Summer Shootout. It's description clearly states it is a purpose built race car. As I come across other cars in question I'll make similar calls.

The VW New Beetle 2.0 '00 is eligible for use in the shootout. As someone else stated already the RSi version of the New Beetle is 4wd and thus ineligible for the shootout.

Well, I don't know how I will participate, either as a tuner or a driver, but I would really like to know what cars are out of the competition!

Trail Celica is very fast and not on 500 PP stock (430), but it is kind of a race car, the same with the Spoons. Isn't the purpose of tuner cars to build race cars, that are still street legal?

 

[AssassinTuner]

Isn't the Trial Celica almost at 500pp anyway? It would defeat the purpose of the comp to submit something that you haven't had much of an input into, ye/no?

Trial maybe. If it's at 500PP out the box I agree with you. The TRD is nowhere close.

 

[tris_73]

Since I'm not a tuner by any stretch of the imagination, perhaps I shouldn't really weigh into this, but..

I think that to keep it simple for all, if the in-game information for a car says anything about it being a race car, rule 5 of this comp is then breached. No race descriptor in the info means it's free game. 💡

 

[Adrenaline]

Isn't the Trial Celica almost at 500pp anyway? It would defeat the purpose of the comp to submit something that you haven't had much of an input into, ye/no?

You're saying if I buy a 500pp car, that no matter what I do to it, it's not 'tuning'? If your definition of 'tuning' is 'picking which parts to install' then I'm going to openly disagree.

 

[tris_73]

You're saying if I buy a 500pp car, that no matter what I do to it, it's not 'tuning'? If your definition of 'tuning' is 'picking which parts to install' then I'm going to openly disagree.

Oh, god no. That's not what I meant at all.

I was vaguely remembering this from a few days ago,

I believe in the initial discussions that took place in my garage that tuner cars were permissible as long as the descriptions didn't place them as strictly racing machines. The reason for this is because they limit the amount of modifications a tuner can make to the car and generally have a higher base PP so they are not out of line with the highly modified base model cars. Concept cars were never directly addressed, but again I would say that if it was a concept for a street car and not a racing machine they are permissible.

and trying to put it into terms for the Trial Celica.

Of course the nuances behind suspension and diff etc. changes are most certainly tuning a car.👍 So don't want to offend any of you guys with the brilliant work you do.

 

[XDesperado67]

You're saying if I buy a 500pp car, that no matter what I do to it, it's not 'tuning'? If your definition of 'tuning' is 'picking which parts to install' then I'm going to openly disagree.

As Adrenaline states starting PP is not a factor, since adjusting suspensions, tweaking gearboxes and making other small changes to a cars setup is the definition of tuning! My taking a 63 HP Kei car and slapping a bunch of high performance parts and engine upgrades, so it now makes 209 HP, falls more under the category of hot rodding.
Both are valid processes for gaining improved performance from a car, and for most of these cars it will require a combination of both to be competitive at or near the 500 PP limit set for the FF Summer Shootout.

Tris_73 you are exactly right about the description given of the car being the deciding factor. That is why I said the Spoon CIVIC mentioned above is not eligible. Other Spoon cars (if there are any, I don't know what all specialty/tuner cars are available in game) would either qualify or not based on the cars description.
I know we all want to push the limits as we are all competitive, however application of a little common sense should really be all that's required in most cases.

As Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!

 

[Basilea]

Ok then in the german discription of the Trail Celica is nothing mentioned of race/racing, what about the english one? I don't know whether they are exactly the same or not.

Don't know about the Spoon Integra, I'm still waiting for it to show up in my UCD.

 

[Adrenaline]

It just says it was tuned up to compete with the type R civic or something that had come out at the time for a magazine article. The only thing remotely race related, is that they used lexan windows, and stripped the interior. Which as all the window lightening and weight reduction do anyways. Just makes the car lighter, and increases your PP.

 

[XDesperado67]

Ok then in the german discription of the Trail Celica is nothing mentioned of race/racing, what about the english one? I don't know whether they are exactly the same or not.

Don't know about the Spoon Integra, I'm still waiting for it to show up in my UCD.

I don't know what the description of the trail cars read as I don't have any currently. As I stated earlier when I find the cars in my UCD I will buy them and most likely make a post here.

I want this to be fun for everyone, and hope we can avoid becoming bogged down over some unfortunate vagaries in the rules. That is why I will try and stress the common sense approach to the matter.

 

[Desert Fox]

In an effort to get a little more of an eclectic mix into the shootout, here are the FF cars and their stock performance figures sorted by PP. Hopefully this will encourage some to choose something somewhat "outside the box" they might have not known existed.

Notes: There are a few cars absent from the list, but not many. Some stats might be slightly off but still should be close enough for a fair representation of the stock car.

INTEGRA TYPE R Touring Car Honda 488 PP, 321 HP - 1050 kg
INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) RM '04 Honda 465 PP, 239 HP - 950 kg
CELICA SS-II (ZZT231) '03 TRIAL 464 PP, 286 HP - 1140 kg
CIVIC TYPE R (EK) '00 Spoon 448 PP, 219 HP - 820 kg
mm-R Cup Car '01 Nissan 432 PP, 140 HP - 672 kg
ECLIPSE GT '06 Mitsubishi 428 PP, 268 HP - 1575 kg
Focus RS '02 Ford 427 PP, 228 HP - 1050 kg
147 GTA '02 Alfa Romeo 427 PP, 250 HP - 1360 kg
ACCORD Coupe EX '03 Honda 421 PP, 244 HP - 1481 kg
GT 3.2 V6 24V '04 Alfa Romeo 421 PP, 241 HP - 1347 kg
SRT4 '03 Dodge 420 PP, 216 HP - 1350 kg
INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) '04 Honda 420 PP, 221 HP - 1180 kg
CL 3.2 Type-S '03 Acura 419 PP, 265 HP - 1563 kg
S60 T-5 Sport '03 Volvo 417 PP, 250 HP - 1550 kg
C30 R-Design '09 Volvo 415 PP, 231 HP - 1430 kg
INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) '99 Spoon 415 PP, 227 HP - 1080 kg
Focus ST '06 Ford 415 PP, 226 HP - 1430 kg
Megane Renault Sport '08 Renault Sport 414 PP, 225 HP - 1400 kg
CIVIC TYPE R '08 Honda 414 PP, 226 HP - 1270 kg
INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) '03 Honda 413 PP, 231 HP - 1170 kg
CL 3.2 Type-S '01 Acura 410 PP, 265 HP - 1592 kg
CELICA TRD Sports M (ZZT231) '00 TRD 409 PP, 201 HP - 1140 kg
CONCEPT-S2 '03 Suzuki 407 PP, 185 HP - 1000 kg
CIVIC TYPE R (EP) '04 Honda 407 PP, 216 HP - 1190 kg
Taurus SHO '98 Ford 407 PP, 239 HP - 1509 kg
INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) '98 Honda 407 PP, 201 HP - 1080 kg
Golf V GTI '05 Volkswagen 405 PP, 201 HP - 1336 kg
CIVIC TYPE R (EP) '01 Honda 404 PP, 216 HP - 1190 kg
ECLIPSE GT '95 404 PP, 232 HP - 1330 kg
INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) '99 Honda 402 PP, 201 HP - 1080 kg
Coupe Turbo Plus '00 Fiat 401 PP, 224 HP - 1310 kg
Sunfire GXP Concept '02 Pontiac 399 PP, 188 HP - 1275 kg
CIVIC TYPE R (EP, EU) '01 Honda 399 PP, 201 HP - 1190 kg
INTEGRA TYPE R (DC2) '95 Honda 399 PP, 201 HP - 1060 kg
ACCORD Euro-R '00 Honda 398 PP, 227 HP - 1330 kg
INTEGRA TYPE R '01 Acura 398 PP, 199 HP - 1197 kg
CELICA SS-II (ST202) '97 Toyota 397 PP, 201 HP - 1200 kg
RSX Type-S '04 Acura 397 PP, 204 HP - 1255 kg
ACCORD Euro-R '02 Honda 397 PP, 221 HP - 1390 kg
FTO GP Version R '97 Mitsubishi 396 PP, 201 HP - 1150 kg
Clio Renault Sport 2.0 16V '02 Renault Sport 395 PP, 173 HP - 1035 kg
MINI COOPER S '07 Mini 395 PP, 176 HP - 1210 kg
PRELUDE Type S '96 Honda 395 PP, 221 HP - 1310 kg
Ibiza Cupra '04 Seat 395 PP, 183 HP - 1177 kg
206 RC '03 Peugeot 395 PP, 178 HP - 1110 kg
FTO GP Version R '99 Mitsubishi 395 PP, 201 HP - 1150 kg
207 GTi '07 Peugeot 394 PP, 176 HP - 1260 kg
PRELUDE Si VTEC '91 Honda 394 PP, 201 HP - 1280 kg
FTO GPX '97 Mitsubishi 394 PP, 201 HP - 1170 kg
GTV 3.0 V6 24V '01 Alfa Romeo 393 PP, 221 HP - 1415 kg
FTO GPX '99 Mitsubishi 393 PP, 201 HP - 1170 kg
PRELUDE SiR S spec '98 Honda 393 PP, 221 HP - 1270 kg
ECLIPSE Spyder GTS '03 Mitsubishi 392 PP, 214 HP - 1510 kg
C5 V6 Exclusive '03 Citroën 391 PP, 200 HP – 1540 kg
CELICA SS-II (ZZT231) '99 Toyota 391 PP, 190 HP - 1140 kg
PRELUDE Type S '98 Honda 391 PP, 221 HP - 1310 kg
Lutecia Renault Sport 2.0 16V '02 Renault Sport 391 PP, 173 HP - 1035 kg
MINI COOPER S '05 Mini 391 PP, 171 HP - 1180 kg
FTO GPX '94 Mitsubishi 391 PP, 201 HP - 1170 kg
CIVIC TYPE R (EK) '97 Honda 389 PP, 189 HP - 1050 kg
Spider 3.0i V6 24V '01 Alfa Romeo 388 PP, 219 HP - 1450 kg
MIRAGE CYBORG ZR '97 Mitsubishi 387 PP, 176 HP - 1060 kg
PRELUDE SiR '96 Honda 387 PP, 201 HP - 1260 kg
Vectra 3.2 V6 '03 Vauxhall 386 PP, 212 HP - 1510 kg
Vectra 3.2 V6 '03 Opel 386 PP, 212 HP - 1510 kg
MINI COOPER S '02 Mini 386 PP, 164 HP - 1120 kg
CIVIC TYPE R (EK) '98 Honda 386 PP, 185 HP - 1050 kg
WiLL VS '01 Toyota 386 PP, 195 HP - 1190 kg
C4 Coupe 2.0VTS '05 Citroën 385 PP, 180 HP - 1330 kg
CR-X SiR '90 Honda 383 PP, 161 HP - 986 kg
Xantia 3.0i V6 Exclusive '00 Citroën 383 PP, 193 HP – 1496 kg
COROLLA RUNX Z AEROTOURER '02 Toyota 383 PP, 190 HP - 1160 kg
Mazda6 5-door '03 Mazda 382 PP, 178 HP - 1390 kg
PRIMERA 20V (EU) '01 Nissan 382 PP, 205 HP - 1320 kg
PRIMERA 20V '01 Nissan 382 PP, 205 HP - 1320 kg
coupé 406 3.0 V6 '98 Peugeot 382 PP, 208 HP - 1560 kg
Focus ST170 '03 Ford 381 PP, 174 HP - 1240 kg
FTO GR '97 Mitsubishi 381 PP, 180 HP - 1150 kg
323F '93 Mazda 380 PP, 171 HP - 1240 kg
CITY Turbo II '83 Honda 380 PP, 110 HP - 735 kg
156 2.5 V6 24V '98 Alfa Romeo 380 PP, 180 HP – 1320 kg
Tuscani CCS '03 Hyundai 379 PP, 175 HP - 1440 kg
SPRINTER TRUENO BZ-R '98 Toyota 378 PP, 166 HP - 1080 kg
Axela 23S '03 Mazda 378 PP, 172 HP - 1260 kg
COROLLA LEVIN BZ-R '98 Toyota 378 PP, 166 HP - 1080 kg
FTO GR '94 Mitsubishi 378 PP, 171 HP - 1150 kg
Tuscani '01 Hyundai 377 PP, 176 HP - 1340 kg
Mini Marcos GT '70 Mini 377 PP, 77 HP - 559 kg
Yaris RS Turbo (J) '02 Toyota 376 PP, 151 HP - 980 kg
Lupo Cup Car '00 Volkswagen 376 PP, 125 HP - 840 kg
Coupe FX '01 Hyundai 376 PP, 168 HP - 1340 kg
Tiburon GT '01 Hyundai 376 PP, 176 HP - 1340 kg
Atenza Sport 25Z '07 Mazda 375 PP, 171 HP - 1470 kg
Atenza Sports 23Z '03 Mazda 375 PP, 178 HP - 1390 kg
Spoon CR-Z Spoon 375 PP, 146 HP - 1130 kg
CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '95 Honda 375 PP, 171 HP - 1040 kg
Lupo GTI Cup Car (J) '03 Volkswagen 374 PP, 125 HP - 1010 kg
Lantis Coupe 2000 Type R '93 Mazda 374 PP, 171 HP - 1200 kg
CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '93 Honda 372 PP, 171 HP - 1040 kg
Familia Sedan Sport 20 '02 Mazda 371 PP, 166 HP - 1170 kg
CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '92 Honda 371 PP, 171 HP - 1040 kg
VITZ RS Turbo '02 Toyota 369 PP, 151 HP - 980 kg
166 2.5 V6 24V Sportronic '98 Alfa Romeo 369 PP, 190 HP - 1520 kg
Protegé '02 Mazda 369 PP, 166 HP - 1170 kg
FIT Race Car '03 Spoon 369 PP, 129 HP - 990 kg
CR-X del Sol SiR '92 Honda 368 PP, 171 HP - 1100 kg
Vibe GT '03 Pontiac 368 PP, 183 HP - 1273 kg
AVANTIME '02 Renault 368 PP, 211 HP - 1741 kg
G20 '90 Infiniti 366 PP, 151 HP - 1210 kg
KUSABI Concept '03 Mazda 366 PP, 150 HP - 900 kg
Tiburon Turbulence '99 Hyundai 366 PP, 156 HP - 1290 kg
206 S16 '99 Peugeot 365 PP, 140 HP - 1080 kg
PRIMERA 2.0Te '90 Nissan 364 PP, 141 HP – 1170 kg
Golf IV GTI '01 Volkswagen 362 PP, 151 HP - 1280 kg
CELICA GT-R (ST183, 4WS) '91 Toyota 361 PP, 166 HP - 1310 kg
STARLET Glanza V '97 Toyota 360 PP, 135 HP - 920 kg
Golf I GTI '76 Volkswagen 360 PP, 111 HP - 820 kg
Megane 2.0 IDE Coupe '00 Renault 358 PP, 140 HP - 1135 kg
147 2.0 TWIN SPARK '02 Alfa Romeo 358 PP, 151 HP - 1280 kg
147 TI 2.0 TWIN SPARK '06 Alfa Romeo 358 PP, 149 HP - 1280 kg
PT Cruiser '00 Chrysler 356 PP, 153 HP - 1270 kg
CR-Z α '10 Honda 356 PP, 114 HP - 1130 kg
BALLADE SPORTS CR-X 1.5i '83 Honda 355 PP, 110 HP - 815 kg
307 XSi '04 Peugeot 354 PP, 148 HP - 1260 kg
206 CC '01 Peugeot 354 PP, 140 HP - 1190 kg
SWIFT Sport '05 Suzuki 354 PP, 125 HP - 1060 kg
Megane 2.0 16V '03 Renault 353 PP, 133 HP - 1230 kg
307 CC Premium AVN '04 Peugeot 352 PP, 137 HP - 1490 kg
SWIFT Sport '07 Suzuki 350 PP, 125 HP - 1060 kg
106 S16 '03 Peugeot 350 PP, 118 HP - 960 kg
Barchetta Giovane Due '00 Fiat 347 PP, 130 HP - 1090 kg
106 Rallye '03 Peugeot 347 PP, 104 HP - 890 kg
CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '91 Honda 345 PP, 166 HP - 1040 kg
March 12SR '07 Nissan 344 PP, 110 HP - 960 kg
Talon Esi '97 Eagle 344 PP, 140 HP - 1252 kg
Punto HGT Abarth '00 Fiat 343 PP, 131 HP - 1100 kg
VOLTZ S '02 Toyota 340 PP, 132 HP - 1250 kg
CARINA ED 2.0 X 4WS '89 Toyota 339 PP, 125 HP - 1200 kg
Mazda2 '03 Mazda 338 PP, 113 HP - 1080 kg
Polo GTI '01 Volkswagen 338 PP, 125 HP - 1090 kg
Yaris RS 1.5 (J) '00 Toyota 335 PP, 110 HP - 940 kg
MINI COOPER '02 Mini 335 PP, 115 HP - 1115 kg
VITZ RS 1.5 '00 Toyota 335 PP, 110 HP - 940 kg
SERA '92 Toyota 334 PP, 110 HP - 910 kg
xA '03 Scion 334 PP, 109 HP - 1020 kg
DEMIO SPORT '03 Mazda 334 PP, 113 HP - 1080 kg
ACCORD Coupe '88 Honda 333 PP, 120 HP - 1220 kg
VITZ RS 1.5 '07 Toyota 332 PP, 110 HP - 1070 kg
CIVIC 1500 3door CX '79 Honda 332 PP, 86 HP - 780 kg
1300 Coupe 9 S '70 Honda 332 PP, 110 HP - 900 kg
EXA CANOPY L.A.Version Type S '88 Nissan 332 PP, 120 HP - 1070 kg
Xsara VTR '03 Citroën 330 PP, 108 HP - 1180 kg
C3 1.6 '02 Citroën 329 PP, 110 HP - 1063 kg
Tigra 1.6i '99 Vauxhall 329 PP, 107 HP - 1032 kg
Yaris U Euro Sport Edition (J) '00 Toyota 329 PP, 89 HP - 850 kg
FIT W '01 Honda 329 PP, 87 HP - 990 kg
MIRA TR-XX Avanzato R '97 Daihatsu 329 PP, 64 HP - 700 kg
INSIGHT LS '09 Honda 329 PP, 99 HP - 1200 kg
ist 1.5S '02 Toyota 328 PP, 109 HP - 1020 kg
Tigra 1.6i '99 Opel 326 PP, 107 HP - 1032 kg
MIRAGE 1400GLX '78 Mitsubishi 326 PP, 82 HP - 795 kg
MINICA DANGAN ZZ '89 Mitsubishi 326 PP, 64 HP - 640 kg
March 12c 5door '03 Nissan 325 PP, 91 HP - 910 kg
INSIGHT '99 Honda 325 PP
xB '03 Scion 324 PP, 109 HP - 1040 kg
bB 1.5Z X Version '00 Toyota 324 PP, 109 HP - 1050 kg
Lupo1.4 '02 Volkswagen 324 PP, 101 HP - 933 kg
New Beetle 2.0 '00 Volkswagen 323 PP, 117 HP - 1228 kg
MICRA '03 Nissan 323 PP, 91 HP - 900 kg
JAZZ 1.4 DSi SE Sport '01 Honda 322 PP, 87 HP - 990 kg
VITZ U Euro Sport Edition '00 Toyota 321 PP, 89 HP - 850 kg
Cuore TR-XX Avanzato R (J) '97 Daihatsu 320 PP, 64 HP - 700 kg
COLT 1.5 Sport X Version '02 Mitsubishi 318 PP, 99 HP - 1030 kg
DEMIO GL-X '99 Mazda 318 PP, 101 HP - 960 kg
March G# '99 Nissan 317 PP, 79 HP - 830 kg
PRIUS G '09 Toyota 316 PP, 100 HP - 1350 kg
A 160 Avantgarde '98 Mercedes-Benz 315 PP, 103 HP - 1115 kg
Lupo GTI '01 Volkswagen 314 PP, 125 HP - 975 kg
MINI ONE '02 Mini 314 PP, 91 HP - 1125 kg
OFC-1 Concept '07 Daihatsu 313 PP, 64 HP - 820 kg
Mini Cooper 1.3i '98 Mini 312 PP, 62 HP - 720 kg
Copen Detachable Top '02 Daihatsu 310 PP, 64 HP - 800 kg
CERVO SR '07 Suzuki 307 PP, 64 HP - 820 kg
Corsa Comfort 1.4 '01 Opel 307 PP, 91 HP - 998 kg
MOVE SR-XX 2WD '97 Daihatsu 306 PP, 64 HP - 760 kg
CUBE EX (FF/CVT) '02 Nissan 306 PP, 99 HP - 1070 kg
Copen Active Top '02 Daihatsu 306 PP, 64 HP - 830 kg
VITZ F '99 Toyota 303 PP, 70 HP - 820 kg
Be-1 '87 Nissan 301 PP, 52 HP - 670 kg
Yaris F (J) '99 Toyota 298 PP, 70 HP - 820 kg
A2 1.4 '02 Audi 296 PP, 75 HP - 920 kg
MR Wagon Sport '04 Suzuki 294 PP, 64 HP - 860 kg
CUBE X '98 Nissan 294 PP, 82 HP - 970 kg
500 1.2 8V Lounge SS '08 Fiat 287 PP, 69 HP - 1010 kg
A112 Abarth '79 Autobianchi 286 PP, 71 HP - 700 kg
MOVE CX '95 Daihatsu 284 PP, 55 HP - 740 kg
PAO '89 Nissan 283 PP, 52 HP - 760 kg
PRIUS G Touring Selection (J) '03 Toyota 281 PP, 77 HP - 1290 kg
PRIUS G (J) '02 Toyota 279 PP, 72 HP - 1220 kg
SIRION CX 2WD (J) '98 Daihatsu 278 PP, 60 HP - 840 kg
STORIA CX 2WD '98 Daihatsu 278 PP, 60 HP - 840 kg
Ka '01 Ford 276 PP, 60 HP - 965 kg
Panda Super i.e. '90 Fiat 269 PP, 45 HP - 730 kg
Z ACT '70 Honda 267 PP, 30 HP - 510 kg
TODAY G '85 Honda 265 PP, 32 HP - 550 kg
2CV Type A '54 Citroën 204 PP, 12 HP - 495 kg

 

[Adrenaline]

For those, who prefer not to bleed from their eyes: http://www.mygranturismo.net/carlist.php?range=2000&start=0&order=price&drive=FF

 

[XDesperado67]

Desert Fox thanks for the list!👍👍

There are a couple you missed but you have most of them there.

Obviously not all of the cars on that list are competitive at 500 PP, but as you can all see there are plenty of alternatives to the Integra (DC5). Hope to see a few more people looking for the odd gems in this group!

 

[Desert Fox]

For those, who prefer not to bleed from their eyes: http://www.mygranturismo.net/carlist.php?range=2000&start=0&order=price&drive=FF

Yup, I was going to just link that as well/instead, but as you yourself have experienced about 28480123 times (your tune database thread), for some reason a lot of people tend to like to see things spelled out for them in the thread(s) rather than following links. Why this is the case is beyond me.

Des- No worries. I was hoping by this point in the shootout someone would have announced their plan to try and make one of the Alfa Romeos competitive, but I think their chubbiness gets in the way.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I was hoping by this point in the shootout someone would have announced their plan to try and make one of the Alfa Romeos competitive, but I think their chubbiness gets in the way.

I think the 147 GTA or the GT 3.2 may be competitive. The 147 TwinSpark is a car for goofs though, it's very lacking in grip and feels absolutely gutless.

 

[XDesperado67]

Des- No worries. I was hoping by this point in the shootout someone would have announced their plan to try and make one of the Alfa Romeos competitive, but I think their chubbiness gets in the way.

Well as a bit of a teaser, I'll be releasing the Outlaw Motorsports Garage - Skunk Works "Dirty Dozen" list in a few hours when I get off work. One of the cars in the Dirty Dozen will be my entrant in the Shootout, and it just so happens there is an Alfa in the Dozen...

Last thing before I hit the road again here at work...
Important Announcement
As of this point all tunes currently submitted are locked in and no further changes to them may be made.
Reminder you can announce your car without posting a tune! However, once you submit a tune for the FF Summer Shootout that tune is locked and no changes to the tune will be accepted.

 

[dr_slump]

THIS ONE SHOULD HELP!
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=202403
Does everybody agree?

 

[XDesperado67]

THIS ONE SHOULD HELP!
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=202403
Does everybody agree?

Thanks and helps answer the question about the Trial Celica. As well as a couple others.

 

[AssassinTuner]

The first page looks awesome. Well put together and well kept. Good Job!!!

I was thinking of dressing it up with a few banners pics and what not. When I get off work I'll put some stuff together.

Anybody else feel free to use your art skillz. Don't know if it will make the OP but it will be cool anyways, hopefully help hold interest until Tune Deadline.

 

[JackWilson]

If that's the case, I think it's best if you remove your tune, until it's finished.
Otherwise, drivers may test it, in it's current form. Which you'll be unhappy with and drivers will have to re-do the test.

Ok I will pull my tune out for the time being If its going to upset anyone, sorry for the inconvenience to any testers, (if any).

 

[Drewsifer3x]

Just a thought for the next one of these, a lower pp limit will allow more of the unique cars to compete.

 

[XDesperado67]

Ok I will pull my tune out for the time being If its going to upset anyone, sorry for the inconvenience to any testers, (if any).

Uhm...bit late now...and not trying to upset anyone either tuner or tester. But its much easier on all involved if the tune is only submitted once and that version, for better or worse is the one used.

Also Onboy nice job on the listing at the start of the thread. Thanks!

 

[Onboy123]

So, should I remove the hyperlink for Jackthalad's entry, or just leave it and let him update his post?

 

[JackWilson]

So, should I remove the hyperlink for Jackthalad's entry, or just leave it and let him update his post?

Its probably best if you remove it for the time being as the settings have changed to those in the hyperlink, sorry to be a pain, Next time I will only post my tune once it has been fully tested and im hapy with it. Speaking of which, is there anyone out there that would like to give my car a test run, I will put it on share if you send me a FR
I am tearing my hair out at the moment because i cant beat my lap time of 2:03.734, I think its my driving but its doing my head in, I need someone who is familiar with this track

 

[Onboy123]

Hmm……ask Greycap or Leonidae from MFT to help…I'm not sure if they do testing, but if they do, it should be a good sign of how good/not good your tune is, since they seem to be quite good (understatement?) at GVS .

 

[JackWilson]

Hmm……ask Greycap or Leonidae from MFT to help…I'm not sure if they do testing, but if they do, it should be a good sign of how good/not good your tune is, since they seem to be quite good (understatement?) at GVS .

ok thanks dude, btw you can remove the hyper link on first page