Wallbanger's 1st annual million credit FF Summer Shootout!(6/19/11 final 7/17/11)

[AssassinTuner]

for you? Cuz i was talking about xdesperado saying that he had a better mitsubishi as one of his finalists. And wow, you could not have picked a harder car to get, could you…i've only seen 3 eagle talons so far……

Its another DSM been a while since I've seen one I think they are all AWD though, so a no go.

TRD Celica should be quick.

 

[balang_479]

People have been speaking of these lap time cheats, what corner cuts are you talking about?
During the test drives what is qualified as a clean lap? There are 2 questionable sections on track. Turn 7 where the inner track edge is paved and the exit of second to last turn which is also paved. I usually use both of these sections during racing but obviously any grass sections are strictly a no go. What does everyone think?

 

[Adrenaline]

People have been speaking of these lap time cheats, what corner cuts are you talking about?
During the test drives what is qualified as a clean lap? There are 2 questionable sections on track. Turn 7 where the inner track edge is paved and the exit of second to last turn which is also paved. I usually use both of these sections during racing but obviously any grass sections are strictly a no go. What does everyone think?

Green is clean, Red is DQ. Simple as that for this competition.

But the cheating I'm talking about...
Turn 1, has the right off to the left, you can ride up on and potentially have all 4 on the 'run off' which is considered dirty by WRS standards.
After the hairpin, there are 2 left turns, the second left turn is completely concrete on the inside and you can cut across that to shave some time.
Then, immediately after than, there's a run off to the left that you can use to get ready for the next corner.
Moving to the exit of the second tunnel, right as you begin the bridge, it's all asphalt to the left, and you can swing wide out there. But the white line is clearly to the right and you can easily have all 4 tires to the left of the line, which is considered dirty.
Then the last spot, is the 2nd to last corner, where you ride that concrete slab after the tight ess curve, leading into the final corner to the straight. Again, considered 'off track' by WRS standards.
All of these combined can probably net you 1.5-2 seconds if used correctly.
There's another way to use the entire track to your advantage, but I won't be giving that info out. I haven't used it yet for any of my lap times, as it's unnecessary.

But, all of the above are considered 'legal' by this competition. As long as it's a green lap, it's acceptable. It really doesn't matter if you cheat or not, as long as you consistently cheat for every car you test. I just find it far too difficult to change my entire line for a single competition, when the online world has forced me to maximize every and any limit within it. So unless GT5 flags it as red, or the online rooms dock you a short cut penalty, then it's fair game!

 

[Drewsifer3x]

Does the talon tune up better than the eclipse? I wish the awd variant had made the game...

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Does the talon tune up better than the eclipse? I wish the awd variant had made the game...

The Eclipse winds up with more power by a long shot; the Talon is an NA version and maxes out fairly lacking.

 

[XDesperado67]

The Eclipse winds up with more power by a long shot; the Talon is an NA version and maxes out fairly lacking.

Seems that most joint venture cars in the game PD only gave us the best of the Japanese half of the venture, and many of the other companies version's were left out completely. Not trying to start anything just an observation.

 

[Drewsifer3x]

The Eclipse winds up with more power by a long shot; the Talon is an NA version and maxes out fairly lacking.

Which is what I assumed. But maybe at 500pp they'd be similar. 4g eclipse is one I worked on a bit for this challenge, best attempt I made so far. Still only getting times on the 2:06 range... Just not fast enough.
2g Eclipse is just under that on my rankings on practice.
These two have potential. Just not quite there.

 

[XDesperado67]

Which is what I assumed. But maybe at 500pp they'd be similar 4g eclipse is one I worked on a but for this challenge, best attempt I made so far. Still only getting times on the 1:06 range... Just not fast enough.
2g Eclipse is just under that on my rankings on practice.
These two have potential. Just not quite there.

Not saying its your driving holding them back, but remember any time a tuner post for their tune is strictly a benchmark. It's the times the drivers generate with your tune that matters.
I know my driving is very poor compared to a lot of people here, but I have seen my tunes get much better time in the hands of more skilled drivers.
I compare the performance of the cars I'm considering against the others I have tried not against what the drivers have started to post.

 

[Drewsifer3x]

I know my driving is meh, especially this track, ds3 and sports tires. (which I really am going to learn to use, I swear, lol)

Just realized your point. If I don't get better times in one of the posted tunes, then my Eclipse might be up to the challenge, even if I'm not. 👍

 

[balang_479]

Green is clean, Red is DQ. Simple as that for this competition.

But the cheating I'm talking about...
Turn 1, has the right off to the left, you can ride up on and potentially have all 4 on the 'run off' which is considered dirty by WRS standards.
After the hairpin, there are 2 left turns, the second left turn is completely concrete on the inside and you can cut across that to shave some time.
Then, immediately after than, there's a run off to the left that you can use to get ready for the next corner.
Moving to the exit of the second tunnel, right as you begin the bridge, it's all asphalt to the left, and you can swing wide out there. But the white line is clearly to the right and you can easily have all 4 tires to the left of the line, which is considered dirty.
Then the last spot, is the 2nd to last corner, where you ride that concrete slab after the tight ess curve, leading into the final corner to the straight. Again, considered 'off track' by WRS standards.
All of these combined can probably net you 1.5-2 seconds if used correctly.
There's another way to use the entire track to your advantage, but I won't be giving that info out. I haven't used it yet for any of my lap times, as it's unnecessary.

But, all of the above are considered 'legal' by this competition. As long as it's a green lap, it's acceptable. It really doesn't matter if you cheat or not, as long as you consistently cheat for every car you test. I just find it far too difficult to change my entire line for a single competition, when the online world has forced me to maximize every and any limit within it. So unless GT5 flags it as red, or the online rooms dock you a short cut penalty, then it's fair game!

Sounds cool. To be fair, all the things you mentioned above, using all the rumble strips etc is something you do in real life. Example Monza, where in real life you cut the ascari chicanery quite a lot and go "off" track in many corners, apart from the 2 tight where you physically can't in real life due to the huge curbs. It's a shame they haven't modelled them in gt5.

 

[dr_slump]

There's another way to use the entire track to your advantage, but I won't be giving that info out. I haven't used it yet for any of my lap times, as it's unnecessary.

But, all of the above are considered 'legal' by this competition. As long as it's a green lap, it's acceptable. It really doesn't matter if you cheat or not, as long as you consistently cheat for every car you test. I just find it far too difficult to change my entire line for a single competition, when the online world has forced me to maximize every and any limit within it. So unless GT5 flags it as red, or the online rooms dock you a short cut penalty, then it's fair game!

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2. 👍 Agree!

Lol. I already have the competition winner in my garage.
There's only 1 car I'm looking for from the UCD to tune, with 1 car as a 'back up' purchase if I see it.

Hmm, Mazda?

 

[XDesperado67]

So everyone else appears to have gotten busy with the new seasonals while I've been busy running my trials. Currently at that point where its hard to tell if those extra tenths shaved off my times are a result of the car or a result of my growing familiarity with the track. Think this is something the multi-person teams have an advantage with as they can compare notes on the car/cars and zero in on performance issues faster.
Wonder if anyone else has run into this issue of what to attribute to the cars performance and what to attribute to the drivers knowledge and comfort with a given track?
Mjolner my super heavy weight is setting the pace currently but I'll be surprised if it finishes as my pick. A pair of phat frogs are hot on its heals, need to revisit the DMZ, terminator and concentrater, as I had a major jump in times between testing on the last 3 and testing of the first 3 that I'm pretty sure was on me and not the cars. Of course there's still a couple more wildcards I haven't had a chance to look at yet...so who knows what it will be!
All I can guarantee for now is that it will definitely be fast and of course very different!

As Harvey Wallbanger always says...
Drive hard and have fun!

 

[tris_73]

All I can guarantee for now is that it will definitely be fast and of course very different!

Looking forward to seeing the oddity you come up with. 👍

 

[Johnnypenso]

I didn't see it in the OP and didn't read the entire thread so forgive me if this has been asked and answered. Is this competition being done online or offline?

 

[Onboy123]

Offline.

 

[Basilea]

It's very hard to find something to compete with the Interga... still ckecking my UCD, maybe I'll find something and send in a tune too, but if it's down to the Integra I prob pass...

 

[Onboy123]

Um…a Spoon Civic? Spoon Integra?

 

[Milldrum]

Currently at that point where its hard to tell if those extra tenths shaved off my times are a result of the car or a result of my growing familiarity with the track. Think this is something the multi-person teams have an advantage with as they can compare notes on the car/cars and zero in on performance issues faster.
Wonder if anyone else has run into this issue of what to attribute to the cars performance and what to attribute to the drivers knowledge and comfort with a given track?

This exact reason is why I'm splitting my tests. I don't want to advantage someone who submits early.

I'm buying a car for each tune. I only drive that car for the test laps I'm taking notes as I go.

I even went out in a couple of my own cars, currently not put forward yet, and was surprised how my bad tunes were competitive. There are some other cars that would be interesting tuned properly.

 

[praiano63]

The aero kit have his influence for shure, this time i just use the front, because all this cars have the same problem of understeer and in this case only the front part will help. Taking out the rear help to replace some hp in the way of rear unusable rear downforce.
I think i've check all the FF cars for this test. The only to reach the "Integra DC5" is the "eclipse GT" . The focus give the sensation to be faster but it's just a sensation, the time is 1,5 / 2,0 sc more on Deep forest.
Don't buy the renault, you will loose your time and money also.

My tune is 2'01"800 at GVS and 1'18"300 at deep forest (G27). The closer others cars 500 pp FF i've tested are 1/2 to 1 .1/2second slower depending of track.

It's very hard to find something to compete with the Interga... still ckecking my UCD, maybe I'll find something and send in a tune too, but if it's down to the Integra I prob pass...

Yes,i try to help in my precedent post, i've buy ,equiped and tune more than 10 cars to check the eventuals concurents for the DC5, i just don't have and did not find the FTO GR. Only the R '99 and it's slow.No mazdasped too. Now i'm poor again and with a lot of "crabs" in my garage. But it 's ok.

Look Mr moderator, check this posting skills now. the king of the single post with your help ...haha:tup:

 

[AssassinTuner]

Deadline might be too far to hold interest. Only a few Garages still waiting on posting their Tunes, some waiting on others only. Let's make the Testing set off Saturday making Friday Night the new Deadline PN Tuners & Testers . I'm getting distracted the date is so far.

Let's get this party started

 

[zero_speed]

Sorry I can't participate more in this thread, but I am checking in. New PB 2:01.121 on a DS3. Thank god that I am finally starting to find my groove on this track lol.
I hope I am not the one holding up the contest, I am sorry but I work slow lol. I am going to need all the time I can get so hopefully we don't change the due date.

 

[Onboy123]

So in three days time, everyone should have a tune in. And then it's for the tester's to do their bit…expect a game of chicken to break out with the testers as well…

 

[XDesperado67]

Sorry I can't participate more in this thread, but I am checking in. New PB 2:01.121 on a DS3. Thank god that I am finally starting to find my groove on this track lol.
I hope I am not the one holding up the contest, I am sorry but I work slow lol. I am going to need all the time I can get so hopefully we don't change the due date.

Your doing good and I hadn't planned to change the due dates for the event.

Some of us take longer to achieve our goals here for a variety of reasons. Real life events have intruded upon my ability to get more accomplished in GT5 and on here the last couple of days, and I want to make a truly competitive entry myself, so I understand.

 

[zero_speed]

Your doing good and I hadn't planned to change the due dates for the event.

Some of us take longer to achieve our goals here for a variety of reasons. Real life events have intruded upon my ability to get more accomplished in GT5 and on here the last couple of days, and I want to make a truly competitive entry myself, so I understand.

Ok good. I am glad you get it. I could rush it, but where is the fun in that right?? For example I barely settled on a build, still need to set gearing and do more tweaks. And the run the hell out of it even more.

 

[AssassinTuner]

I understand, just don't want interest to fizzle before it even gets started. I got lots of life going on too, I don't get much seat time anymore. I got a few things to work on in the meantime so don't feel stressed by me keep up the good work

 

[JackWilson]

Deadline might be too far to hold interest. Only a few Garages still waiting on posting their Tunes, some waiting on others only. Let's make the Testing set off Saturday making Friday Night the new Deadline PN Tuners & Testers . I'm getting distracted the date is so far.

Let's get this party started

I may have posted my tune but I am still tweaking it, and would like as much time as possible.

 

[Adrenaline]

I may have posted my tune but I am still tweaking it, and would like as much time as possible.

If that's the case, I think it's best if you remove your tune, until it's finished.
Otherwise, drivers may test it, in it's current form. Which you'll be unhappy with and drivers will have to re-do the test.

 

[zero_speed]

I understand, just don't want interest to fizzle before it even gets started. I got lots of life going on too, I don't get much seat time anymore. I got a few things to work on in the meantime so don't feel stressed by me keep up the good work

And I understand your point of view too. I am having a lot of fun and I hope that no one drops out. This is going to be great, regardless of how many Integras lol. I look at it like this, by the time this is over we will have 1 or 2 top Integra tunes AND a top alternative car. To me that is what these comps should be about.

 

[XDesperado67]

If that's the case, I think it's best if you remove your tune, until it's finished.
Otherwise, drivers may test it, in it's current form. Which you'll be unhappy with and drivers will have to re-do the test.

Think I stated this in the thread previously if not the intention was that once a tune for a car was submitted it would be considered locked to prevent confusion and extra work for the drivers.
Since I may not have made this clear before I will offer a one time amnesty period extending from present until 12 hours from now for those who have already submitted their tunes to this forum to edit their posts and remove the tune for further refinement by the tuner.
That said giving the drivers as much time as possible to test the cars is a good idea as they have outside responsibilities as well.

 

[Drewsifer3x]

Anybody interested in eyeballing my suspension setup? I need a bit less exit understeer. I have tried another tune from the list (as a benchmark) and think that I am doing okay other than that one tendency