Was "Veyron poll" - Then "VAG/GM discussion" - Now "Veyron discussion again"

[Famine]

I just go by what people tell me on this forum, I guess if I use there same logic they will understand.

But VW isn't much different the Audi, just like Chevy isn't much different then Pontiac. It's all platform sharing within the same group.

That's right - but to include Pontiac's sales as part of Chevrolet's would be in error, just as including Audi's sales as part of VW's. But to include Pontiac's with GM's and Audi's with VAG would be right.

Poverty's earlier point was that the Volkswagen part of VAG outsold the combined sales of the Mercedes-Benz part of DaimlerChrysler, the Audi part of VAG and the BMW part of BMW AG. The response that VW IS AUDI would be just as wrong as including Chrysler's sales in with Mercedes-Benz and Land Rover sales in with BMW.

Please tell me, what makes UK so special? Wheres the proof by internet?

I'm pretty sure I gave you the Parker's link so you could look for yourself.

VW acquired Audi, Skoda, Seat and Bugatti didnt it?

You are still confusing VAG (Volkswagen AG) with its subsidiary Volkswagen.

Ive always thought that it was spelled Carolla since thats the way Japanese pronounce it. Anyways.

Yes, with their complete lack of "c" or "l" in their language...

Besides, it's stamped on the back of the cars.

We dont have the estate and hatchback because the Yaris takes care of the hatchback; we arent too hot of estates here either.

Then please explain the existence in the US market of the Yaris sedan...

The Yaris is a smaller car than the Corolla - a foot and a half shorter for a start.

 

[Joey D]

Uh they still use quite a bit of technology from one another, the DSG, the Quattro (although VW calls it something else), other things I can't recall off the top of my head. It's all sharing.

There are still a few cars, like I said Audi A3 is a VW Golf, a VW Phaeton was a Audi A8, and I'm sure there are cars you guy have that we don't.

Caddy and Chevy don't use the same platforms, but lots of the technology is shared. I mean there is a Vette engine in a CTS. They are still all part of the same company.

 

[Poverty]

The pheaton has more incommon with a bentley than audi A8.

The Phaeton's platform is shared with the Bentley Continental GT and Bentley Continental Flying Spur. These similarities become apperent when looking at the Phaeton's leather lined interior which shares certain design elements with its ultra-luxury cousin.



VAG Brands

The company owns seven brands, which are organized into two groups or branches.

The Audi branch consists of

* Audi (D)
* Lamborghini (I)
* SEAT (E)

The Volkswagen branch consists of

* Volkswagen (D)
* Bentley (GB)
* Škoda (CZ)
* Bugatti (F)

 

[Joey D]

It's all still technology sharing, there is no difference. It's like saying the new R8 isn't a Gallardo...which it is very heavily based off of.

 

[Poverty]

It isnt a gallardo. 80% of the chassis is gallardo, but the rest of the car is audi.

Now if the chassis was 100% gallardo I would agree. Technically.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Wrong again.

VW and audi used to do extensive platform sharing. They are now stopping this for most their lineup bar the smaller vehicles. They didnt want audi's and VW's to drive similarily.

Audi controls lamborghini.
VW controls all the other companies.
VAG controls them entirely.

Its basically like that but Ive worded it pretty badly.

Yes we know but VW and Audi still shares parts from the parts bin.

Edit: Yaris serves as a base entry-level car for Toyota. I hate that car. Ugly. Echo hatchback looked better.

 

[Poverty]

Yes we know but VW and Audi still shares parts from the parts bin.

Occasionally. Well now that I think of it only the golf and A3 share major components. Thats not alot. Audi are going to be sending some chassis's round to DCX aswell.

 

[Joey D]

It isnt a gallardo. 80% of the chassis is gallardo, but the rest of the car is audi.

Now if the chassis was 100% gallardo I would agree. Technically.

Who cares, the XLR and Corvette share a lot of componets and I still consider them more or less the same car.

It's still a Gallardo with different panels and other tweeks in it. And it's still shared with in the same group.

Occasionally.

The 1.8T whored itself around the group pretty good.

 

[Poverty]

The 3.2 V6 down to the 1.6 FSI and all the smaller diesels get shared around alot yes. They are cracking engines though.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Famine: The parkers web site doesnt tell me the specs.

Edit: VW and Audi shares these things:

- FSI technology
- 4WD drivetrain
- some chassis
- parts bin
- engine configuration

 

[Famine]

Famine: The parkers web site doesnt tell me the specs.

Yes it does.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Like, now it does becaue you had the link to it.

Right now Im checking Japan.

Edit: Japanese model only has 280hp. Why? The emission, engine size law and stuff.

 

[Poverty]

Famine: The parkers web site doesnt tell me the specs.

Edit: VW and Audi shares these things:

- FSI technology
- 4WD drivetrain
- some chassis
- parts bin
- engine configuration

1. Yes
2. Not really. Any manufacturer can use a haldex setup and there are no VW's on sale with quattro.
3. Yes, one.
4. A mute point seeing as were discussing it righ now.
6. In one or two models yes. Will change in the near future.

 

[Famine]

Not really. You could have clicked on "Reviews" then "Technical Data" to get to the page I just linked. It's not a hard site to navigate.

I should add that the outgoing EvoVIII had FQ-320, FQ-340 and FQ-400 models (horsepower as the numbers suggest). The new EvoIX has FQ-320 and FQ-340 models, with the FQ-400 not yet released (though I'm told it's in the pipeline).

 

[YSSMAN]

So this went from a flame on the Veyron to a flame on what VAG does? Wow, I've missed alot over Easter... Didn't you guys have your Easter Ham yet?

 

[Joey D]

So this went from a flame on the Veyron to a flame on what VAG does? Wow, I've missed alot over Easter... Didn't you guys have your Easter Ham yet?

More or less yes, but at least we kept within VAG. And yes I had my Easter ham...it was good.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Yes, UK does get the 400hp version as opposed to US getting 268hp version (damn it, Canada doesnt even get it!) but I (still) dont know why you guys are treated so much better. Wouldve made more sense if Mitsu brought the FQ-400 to US also.

YSSMAN - yeah this thread is exploding even more ferociously than the Big Bang!

 

[the Interceptor]

Veyron = VAG

I was actually pointing out that this thread is meant to be about the Bugatti Veyron, but as a moderator joined the offtopic-talk, I guess it's okay.

Tell me when you're done...

 

[YSSMAN]

Well, there are always going to be markets that are going to get better cars than the other. The UK, and really the rest of Europe gets cars like the FQ-400 because of their preference of WRC racing (unpopular in the US), and the fact that the cars are really well known there. Up untill a few years ago, only Grand Turismo fans knew about the Evo and the STi, and it was those folks who finially convinced Mitsubishi and Subaru to import them to the US.

We have plenty of cars in the US that the rest of the world would love to have. The Mustang comes to mind, as well as the Solstice, US-Spec STi, and presumably the upcomming Camaro and Challenger.

 

[Famine]

Yes, UK does get the 400hp version as opposed to US getting 268hp version (damn it, Canada doesnt even get it!) but I (still) dont know why you guys are treated so much better. Wouldve made more sense if Mitsu brought the FQ-400 to US also.

The explanation is actually quite reasonable.

Ralliart UK (as with Prodrive UK for Subaru) build Mitsubishi's World Rally Championship cars - or rather they did. Ralliart receive Evolution VIII MRs and prep them to the desired power level - in fact the FQ-320 receives very little by way of alteration, as the Japanese cars tend to run this much anyway, despite "276hp" claims. The resulting car is then sold at Mitsubishi dealerships with Mitsubishi warranties as a standard car.

So it isn't a case of Mitsubishi not taking the cars to the US, but being unwilling to ship the cars to the UK, then have them prepped by Ralliart and then take them to the US, where they'd fail emission regulations.

But as you can see, your original assertion that Europe gets crap Japanese cars while the US gets good ones is in error.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Thanks for the explanation Famine.

Different markets gets different cars that are good. But after reading through the last pages of "Car" magazine (you know, they have that rating thing) I counted a zillion MPVs so thats where I drew my conclusion of crap cars from. Guess I was wrong.

But I do hate MPVs though.

 

[Poverty]

I thought I would have missed alot more whilst I was gone in the shower. You guys had ham and I munched on a lamb. I didnt know people had ham for easter.

 

[GT4_Rule]

I thought I would have missed alot more whilst I was gone in the shower. You guys had ham and I munched on a lamb. I didnt know people had ham for easter.

At least they rhyme

 

[Vasco]

Of course the Veyron is an engineering marvel...to have a car travel over 400 km/h which can still be used efficiently as an every day driver AND is reliable is a great feat. No doubt all these methods of delivering power more efficiently through the Veyron will be integrated down the line as well.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Of course the Veyron is an engineering marvel...to have a car travel over 400 km/h which can still be used efficiently as an every day driver AND is reliable is a great feat. No doubt all these methods of delivering power more efficiently through the Veyron will be integrated down the line as well.

But even though you can use it as a everyday drive the fact is most wont and even if they do, theyd back up into a telephone pole because the rear is all (or mostly) obstructed by the engine.

 

[Vasco]

But even though you can use it as a everyday drive the fact is most wont and even if they do, theyd back up into a telephone pole because the rear is all (or mostly) obstructed by the engine.

How can the fact be most won't? Do you know all the people who have Veyrons? You really can't predict how the Veyrons will be used, it's just a stupid assumption many people make. Not to mention this is a GT car which is comfortable as opposed to the regular (ha!) supercars.

 

[Joey D]

Because you don't take your million dollar car to the store, I only have met one person with a Gallardo and he drives it on nice days (so like 5 or 6 days a year) and to the Woodward Dream Cruise. That's it.

 

[Poverty]

I know a person online that takes his CGT to the gym with him. He likes to use two parking spaces for it aswell.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Because you don't take your million dollar car to the store, I only have met one person with a Gallardo and he drives it on nice days (so like 5 or 6 days a year) and to the Woodward Dream Cruise. That's it.

About to say the same thing.

Who takes a million-dollar-ultra-hyper-car to shopping? OK lets make it more realistic. Who takes a million dollar car to a track day? Youll be more concerned with the paintwork than the times! Thats not an assumption, its very obvious.

Edit: So I guess people take off reputation points off me because I disagree with them eh? I had 31, now Im down to 10. Great work, guys!

 

[Famine]

About to say the same thing.

Who takes a million-dollar-ultra-hyper-car to shopping? OK lets make it more realistic. Who takes a million dollar car to a track day? Youll be more concerned with the paintwork than the times! Thats not an assumption, its very obvious.

There's a guy called Jay Kay, lead singer in a band called Jamiroquai.

Look him up - you'll be surprised.