Was "Veyron poll" - Then "VAG/GM discussion" - Now "Veyron discussion again"

[Joey D]

I know a person online that takes his CGT to the gym with him. He likes to use two parking spaces for it aswell.

And how do you know he has a Carrera GT? As well all know the internet is full of liars, if you want to see the guy that I know with the Gallardo pick up the fifth Teckademics moive, go to the Dream Cruise section, and you'll see it. I've only met the guy once, he's a plastic surgeon in a town near here. I don't know him though.

 

[Poverty]

There are plenty of Evo and STi drivers that only take theyre cars out on weekends or sunny days just like a supercar driver. Is the Sti and Evo a waste of money too?

And how do you know he has a Carrera GT? As well all know the internet is full of liars, if you want to see the guy that I know with the Gallardo pick up the fifth Teckademics moive, go to the Dream Cruise section, and you'll see it. I've only met the guy once, he's a plastic surgeon in a town near here. I don't know him though.

He loves posting tons of pics of his car. Im pretty sure its his.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Wikipedia says hes been caught several times speeding.

Who said Evo and STi were waste of money? Thats a good thing, theyre doing what the car was meant for.

 

[Famine]

Wikipedia says hes been caught several times speeding.

Probably in his Enzo.

Or his F50.

Or his F40.

Or his 550.

Or his Miura SV.

(and so on)

 

[Joey D]

He loves posting tons of pics of his car. Im pretty sure its his.

I still wager you don't know him, you know of him.

Edit: So I guess people take off reputation points off me because I disagree with them eh? I had 31, now Im down to 10. Great work, guys!

It's because the rep system is overly abused, I only give negative rep when someone violated the rules directly to me, not because I disagree. However they get posi rep when I do agree.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Probably in his Enzo.

Or his F50.

Or his F40.

Or his 550.

Or his Miura SV.

(and so on)

Edit: Wait...isnt he the person who allowed "Car" magazine to drive his Enzo?

BX - The rep system, does it even matter? All I need to do is just not touch the nerves of the mods and I should be fine, isnt it?

 

[Famine]

It's because the rep system is overly abused, I only give negative rep when someone violated the rules directly to me, not because I disagree. However they get posi rep when I do agree.

If someone breaks the rules, use the "Report to Moderator" button. That's what it's for.

GT4_Rule - probably. He's also exactly the person who'd take an Enzo/Veyron/whatever to the shops. He doesn't believe in collecting cars - he believes in driving them. To do anything BUT drive them takes away what the car was made to do and turns it into merely an expensive ornament. If it's written off then at least it died doing what it was meant to do.

I passed his Enzo on the A12 once. Broken down, of course...

 

[Poverty]

Edit: So I guess people take off reputation points off me because I disagree with them eh? I had 31, now Im down to 10. Great work, guys!

We have very different views but it wasnt me. I forgot the thing existed until a couple mins ago. It is very low of people to do that.

 

[GT4_Rule]

I dont even want to know who did it. Ill just ignore that thing if its not that important.

 

[Joey D]

BX - The rep system, does it even matter? All I need to do is just not touch the nerves of the mods and I should be fine, isnt it?

The rep system is like post counts, some people want to whore it and be the best, others just don't care. I give out posi rep a lot though because I like people to know when they've done something good. One has to be a moron for me to give them neg rep. But it's all pointless.

But it find out more about it just click Famine's quailty post tag and it's all explained for ya.

 

[Joey D]

If someone breaks the rules, use the "Report to Moderator" button. That's what it's for.

I do, all the time, as a mod you must get reports from me...although I have no idea how it works.

 

[Poverty]

Never used the report button in my life. I must be what is considered as a bad member. Is it my duty to report people?

 

[GT4_Rule]

Never used the report button in my life. I must be what is considered as a bad member. Is it my duty to report people?

Same here, althogh Ive only been here for 3 months.

 

[Famine]

I've changed the thread title once already... if I have to change it to "Rep Point Discussion", I'll be locking it instead...

 

[YSSMAN]

...So when exactly does this thread get to die?

 

[the Interceptor]

It seems it already did ... I warned you (yeah, kick'em when they're down )

Anyway, can we get to the original Bugatti issue now? We were at the point where the Veyron is a love or hate car that is being talked about a lot. So, VAG have archieved what they wanted. But something I still don't get is how Blazin Xtreme can say that it just is "a fat car with a big turboed engine".
Sure, they could have archieved similar numbers with less turbos, less cylinders and whatnot. But they simply didn't want to. They didn't want to get the most hp with the least amount of work, they wanted to make an outstanding and very special piece of engineering. That's what they did, and that's why the Veyron is an engineering archievement for me.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[daan]

As well all know the internet is full of liars,

Oh, we know, Blazin', we know...

 

[Leonidae]

back to Veyron.. what are your favourite bits in this car? to me, it's the consumption.. 4mpg.. so, that's roughly liter per km, right? and flat out, the tank is empty in 12 minutes..

 

[Poverty]

The funny think is there is a supercar on sale today by a major manufacturer that gets worse MPG than the veyron.

 

[Dave A]

The American EPA rates the Veyron as 7mpg city driving and 10mpg highway driving.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/22661.shtml
Has it rated at, 8 city, 15 highway and 10 combined while
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/coupes/0511_bugatti_veryon/index2.html
says, and I quote "In normal use, the Bugatti typically betters 12 mpg. At full throttle in top gear, however, you are looking more at something like 4 mpg." One assumes the owners can afford it".

And just another quote from that article in refference to the debate earlier before it went so off topic.
"Unlike the Ferrari Enzo, the Veyron is not a racing car in disguise. Instead, the Bugatti is intended to be the grandest grand tourer". It succedes in that.

 

[Joey D]

But something I still don't get is how Blazin Xtreme can say that it just is "a fat car with a big turboed engine".

Hold on a second, I'm constantly badgered on this form because I like the Z06 with it's 7.0L Big Block making 505hp. People all the time tell me that if the Germans did it they could have gotten that power number out of a 3.0L or something along those lines. So I want to know when a German group gets with the Italian design company why they can't make a 1001 out of something smaller or more power from the engine.

This is why I say it's a fat car with a turbo.

 

[Jay]

Its twice the power of the Z06 with only 1 litre extra displacement.

 

[Joey D]

And forced induction.

Add 4 turbos to Vette...errr two turbos.

 

[Jay]

And forced induction.

Add 4 turbos to Vette...errr two turbos.

I don't know why everyone anti-Veyron gets so caught up on four turbo's, they could have easily made 1001hp with two.

 

[the Interceptor]

Hold on a second, I'm constantly badgered on this form because I like the Z06 with it's 7.0L Big Block making 505hp. People all the time tell me that if the Germans did it they could have gotten that power number out of a 3.0L or something along those lines.

Ah, I think we're getting closer. Well, I actually think that 500+ hp from an NA engine is quite a lot. I don't think any german engine will ever produce 500 hp and only have 3.0 litres, not only because it wouldn't be very reliable. The current M5 with its high-revving V10 has reached a kind of limit with it's 507hp from 5 litres. I think we "could" get more than 500hp from 7 litres of displacement, but I doubt we'll ever produce an engine of that size, at least not the main manufacturers. Tuners like Brabus and Väth are getting there though.

So I want to know when a German group gets with the Italian design company why they can't make a 1001 out of something smaller or more power from the engine.

This is why I say it's a fat car with a turbo.

Like I said, they could have gotten more power out of that W16, but they didn't want to. And why would they need to, I guess this thing is fast enough. In terms of pushing this engine as high up as it can go, the Veyron is not a masterpiece. But then again, that was never the point Bugatti was trying to make. They never said "we'll make a car that will get as many horsepower from a quad-turboed W16 as possible", they said "we'll make a car that has 1001hp and will do more than 400kph". And it does. Goal archieved, point made I'd say.


Regards
the Interceptor

 

[Joey D]

But you see the thing about that is, it doesn't have 2. I'm sorry if people are going rag on me about the cars like the Z06, the Viper, the Mustang, etc. about not making as much power as they should from big displacements, I'm pretty much going to use the same thing on this car.

If Europeans are so great at building a car, why does it require four turbos to put out that power. And don't say because they wanted to put four turbos on it, these guys are engineers and business men, they aren't going to over do something.

 

[Poverty]

Mercedes can get 1000hp NA out of a 3.0 V10. It is achieveable but it just wouldnt last very long.

 

[Jay]

why does it require four turbos to put out that power.

Ahh heres the thing, it doesn't require four turbo's but they choose to go that way and they would have there reasons.

maybe for

-Packaging the W16 engine is probably pretty wide, smaller turbo's may fit between the engine and body better.

-They maybe able to distribute excess heat better instead of having two extremely hot turbo's they may have four less hot turbo's.

-One thing that is alway bragged about the EB110 is four turbo's, its a great talking point and paying that much money you feel you get more.

-Possible sequential engagement of the turbochargers to create less lag, more torque at lower rev's and a smoother torque curve.

Well, I actually think that 500+ hp from an NA engine is quite a lot. I don't think any german engine will ever produce 500 hp and only have 3.0 litres, not only because it wouldn't be very reliable. The current M5 with its high-revving V10 has reached a kind of limit with it's 507hp from 5 litres

I think they could make a 500hp 3.0L N/A street car engine but not only reliability maybe a problem but an small engine like that to produce that power in N/A would mean they need to rev like a Honda S2000 or more and the torque would be reduced. Also a engine like that would be much more 'peaky' and noisey not very suited for a car like M5.

 

[Joey D]

Ya that's probably an F1 engine though.

Ahh heres the thing, it doesn't require four turbo's but they choose to go that way and they would have there reasons.

maybe for

-Packaging the W16 engine is probably pretty wide, smaller turbo's may fit between the engine and body better.

-They maybe able to distribute excess heat better instead of having two extremely hot turbo's they may have four less hot turbo's

-One thing that is alway bragged about the EB110 is four turbo's, its a great talking point and paying that much money you feel you get more

-Possible sequential engagement of the turbochargers to create less lag, more torque at lower rev's and a smoother torque curve.

Well at least you've given me more reason then "because they wanted to". I don't buy that reason at all.

I still think if Europeans are so great at building engines they could have gotten the same results from something in the 5-6L range. That would have been more impressive then 8.0L of turboed charged fatness. Like I've said Henessy can take the V10 with the same displacement and bump up the power to the same level. They are an aftermarket company with a budget, according to you guys the Veyron was pretty much built with out cost in mind. Hence they should've done more.

 

[the Interceptor]

But you see the thing about that is, it doesn't have 2. I'm sorry if people are going rag on me about the cars like the Z06, the Viper, the Mustang, etc. about not making as much power as they should from big displacements, I'm pretty much going to use the same thing on this car.

I do understand your point, but it is not really comparable. The Z06 is up there, but why does the Viper with a bigger engine "only" have the same power? And the Mustang - 300hp from a 4.5 litre V8. That's not a lot, but then again ... maybe the manufacturers didn't want to get more power out of those engines. You don't always have to go to the limit, instead you may pay more attention to other things like reliability.

If Europeans are so great at building a car, why does it require four turbos to put out that power. And don't say because they wanted to put four turbos on it, these guys are engineers and business men, they aren't going to over do something.

It also has to do with them showing off. There are so many twin turbos, so why not make a quad turbo if you want to impress people? And engineering-wise, four turbos may be better than two. BMW and Opel for example are just beginning to use two turbos for their Diesels. A small, quick one for low revs and little lag and a bigger, slower one for high boost at higher revs. Of course, you could get the same power with one turbo, but not as sophisticated.

Regards
the Interceptor