Weasling penalties down shouldn't happen.

[spoonaaay]

Unless I am being lapped, If I am in front on a suitable racing line it is the driver behind who is responsible for making a clean pass. It is not the lead cars responsibility to let anyone by. Obviously the lead car can not swerve to block. But, unless the following car is at least halfway along side before entering the corner the lead car does not have to leave space to let the following car by.

Basically if you’re behind it’s your job to avoid contact regardles of speed.

I agree but mostly disagree, if the car behind is anywhere close to being able to pass you aren't the fastest car at that point in time. If you make the decision to "swerve to block" you getting punted is rightful punishment.

Who's job is it to avoid contact if you both enter the corner at the same time?

 

[TenderLoins]

I agree but mostly disagree, if the car behind is anywhere close to being able to pass you aren't the fastest car at that point in time. If you make the decision to "swerve to block" you getting punted is rightful punishment.

Who's job is it to avoid contact if you both enter the corner at the same time?

Read my post again and think about it.

 

[spoonaaay]

Read my post again and think about it.

Once again, you must see it from both ends not just yours.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

If you are the one getting hit and hindering the faster car from the racing line you deserve it.

As the overtaking car it is YOUR responsibility to find a racing line around the leading car without making contact.

As the leading car it is perfectly within that cars right to take a defensive inside lane protecting racing line forcing the trailing car to either make their pass using the outside line or continue to follow the leading car looking for a different opportunity to pass possibly in another area of the track.

If you are not fast enough or your racing skills good enough to pass the leading car without contact then you are not entitled to advance your position.

Hitting the leading car and knocking them out of the way is not an acceptable practice in road racing. This is not Nascar!

 

[spoonaaay]

As the overtaking car it is YOUR responsibility to find a racing line around the leading car without making contact.

As the leading car it is perfectly within that cars right to take a defensive inside lane protecting racing line forcing the trailing car to either make their pass using the outside line or continue to follow the leading car looking for a different opportunity to pass possibly in another area of the track.

If you are not fast enough or your racing skills good enough to pass the leading car without contact then you are not entitled to advance your position.

Hitting the leading car and knocking them out of the way is not an acceptable practice in road racing. This is not Nascar!

Everyone is entitled to the same line as you are.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Everyone is entitled to the same line as you are.

Not while it is being occupied by a car in front of you!

 

[TenderLoins]

I agree but mostly disagree, if the car behind is anywhere close to being able to pass you aren't the fastest car at that point in time. If you make the decision to "swerve to block" you getting punted is rightful punishment.

Who's job is it to avoid contact if you both enter the corner at the same time?

If you enter the corner side by side then both must stick to their respective lines leaving room for the other driver.

Once again, you must see it from both ends not just yours.

I do see it from both ends.

If I am behind going into a turn it is my responsibility to avoid contact regardless of speed.

If I want to pass I make sure I’m at least halfway along side Before turning to the apex. If I’m not, the apex still belongs to the lead car and it is my job to back out. It is not his job to leave me space. If I do get position before going into the turn, only then is it necessary for the other car to leave space.

Everyone is entitled to the same line as you are.

No, they are not.

 

[SnowLeopard]

As the leading car it is perfectly within that cars right to take a defensive inside lane protecting racing line forcing the trailing car to either make their pass using the outside line or continue to follow the leading car looking for a different opportunity to pass possibly in another area of the track.

1981 Formula 1 Spanish Grand Prix. Watch Gilles Villeneuve keep the lead from four faster cars, while passing back markers that were not forced to move over by blue flags (but some do out of proper racing etiquette), and without making any dubious moves or blocking.

Best part is in second half.... and yeah, I just rewatched the whole thing (again) before posting.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

1981 Formula 1 Spanish Grand Prix. Watch Gilles Villeneuve keep the lead from four faster cars, while passing back markers that were not forced to move over by blue flags (but some do out of proper racing etiquette), and without making any dubious moves or blocking.

Best part is in second half.... and yeah, I just rewatched the whole thing (again) before posting.

Prime real world example of driving to your cars strengths and driving a defensive line to protect your cars weakness against a car that is stronger where you are weak.

 

[stevenhiggster]

You know what penalties I hate the most?
When you make a mistake and go off track, which in absolutely no way gains you anything even approaching an advantage, and in actual fact loses you places, and then you still get a penalty for leaving the track!? Like seriously, just rub some salt in the wound why don't you!

 

[Deadheadbill]

If you are the one getting hit and hindering the faster car from the racing line you deserve it.

It shouldn't have but this statement actually shocked me when I read it. Guess those 2 videos didn't work.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

I a situation such as that is the only thing I can figure is,
1. They are trying to make it even more of a reason to drive under control as fewer incidents on track would occur,
2. The penalties assessed have a large influence on the up and down fluctuations SR rating of a driver and remaining on course and receiving fewer penalties shows a driver more capable of deserving a higher SR rating.

I am just guessing here of course trying to use logic for the situation.

 

[Deadheadbill]

You know what penalties I hate the most?
When you make a mistake and go off track, which in absolutely no way gains you anything even approaching an advantage, and in actual fact loses you places, and then you still get a penalty for leaving the track!? Like seriously, just rub some salt in the wound why don't you!

Even worse is I have gotten them in the chicane on Dragon Tail when I stayed completely on the track and never touched the wall. lol. I was in the tunnel and the penalty popped up. I was like wtf!!

 

[GTPoet]

I think the penalties need some tweaking and I think PD will improve upon it.

However, in the mean time, they need to be added up at end of race regardless.

 

[Ian Fairbanks]

Yep. I've seen to many people blocking in tight turns scrubbing a penalty. It can cause huge issues on track. If it was just point bank added to the time, or a pit-in, people might avoid them more.



No sorry. A penalty is a penalty. You should not have the option to scrub a penalty by slowdown. I don't complain about penalties that are not my fault. It's racing (and not for real) so take it like a man and move on.

Then what’s the point of penalties at all???? May as well not have any penalties since “it’s just a game, and not real life”

 

[TeWheke]

I agree that if you get a time penalty it should just be applied at the end, as they're not really penalties if they just naturally reduce anytime you're not on the accelerator when the game expects you to be.

The issue of unjust penalties is exactly that, an issue of unjust penalties and thus completely separate to what is being discussed here.

 

[dylpro]

Everyone is entitled to the same line as you are.

I know this has been said already, but worth saying again, YOU are part of the problem.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Even worse is I have gotten them in the chicane on Dragon Tail when I stayed completely on the track and never touched the wall. lol. I was in the tunnel and the penalty popped up. I was like wtf!!

Coming out of the bus stop chicane it seems there is a real fine line on picking up a penalty for "course cutting" or not as you cut across the rumble strips on the exit. I have gotten a penalty there a couple of times.

 

[Mr616]

Then what’s the point of penalties at all???? May as well not have any penalties since “it’s just a game, and not real life”

As a deterrent to complete douchebaggary. I don't need penalties. I drive like I own the car and drive as close to how I would in real life as that's what I get from the game.

Of course penalties are needed in a public online racing game.

 

[GENERALSAVANT]

Ahhhh...the giant elephant in the room. 4 years in development to bring console racing into the 21st eCentury and nowhere do we find a single written word about expected behaviours online and how to deal with the most common occurrences in online racing.

Gran Turismo: The real psychic simulator

 

[Ashley11]

You know what penalties I hate the most?
When you make a mistake and go off track, which in absolutely no way gains you anything even approaching an advantage, and in actual fact loses you places, and then you still get a penalty for leaving the track!? Like seriously, just rub some salt in the wound why don't you!

This is the thing i hate the most! I ran wide out of a turn yesterday, on the grass and scrubbed the wall, i lost 2 places but then also gained a 2ish second penalty! I was not happy!

 

[Finflash]

My two cents about passing. While I completely agree that the first going in to the corner has the corner but.. You guys ever heard a block pass? The first going into the corner can't just turn in when there is other cars nose coming.. even if he is "right". I don't like these passes but it happens all the time in real racing too. And the guys making these passes don't give up their places after it happens..

Example:



Here's a dive bomb to bottas who has old tires. He can't turn in to a corner because it would ruin both of their races. Great overtake everyone says.. In tight racing this is basically only way to pass anyone.. ever.

Did any of you watch motogp philip island this year? Dirty racing but even the riders said most fun in ages..

I don't like it personally but I think some in these forums have to think a bit about those dive bombers mentality. You just need to let them pass sometimes, unfortunately. Those guys are usually over edge all the time and they will crack later on.

And what about that racing etiquette ricciardo gave with his finger?

 

[JulesDennis]

My two cents about passing. While I completely agree that the first going in to the corner has the corner but.. You guys ever heard a block pass? The first going into the corner can't just turn in when there is other cars nose coming.. even if he is "right". I don't like these passes but it happens all the time in real racing too. And the guys making these passes don't give up their places after it happens..

Example:



Here's a dive bomb to bottas who has old tires. He can't turn in to a corner because it would ruin both of their races. Great overtake everyone says.. In tight racing this is basically only way to pass anyone.. ever.

Did any of you watch motogp philip island this year? Dirty racing but even the riders said most fun in ages..

I don't like it personally but I think some in these forums have to think a bit about those dive bombers mentality. You just need to let them pass sometimes, unfortunately. Those guys are usually over edge all the time and they will crack later on.

And what about that racing etiquette ricciardo gave with his finger?

This is not a "dive bomb".Its a legit pass and actually how people should pass in that corner in Monza.
They were side by side before entering the corner.Both kept their line and if you are in the inside,you'll always have the advantage no matter if you defend or attack in the end of S/F straight in Monza.Its really rare to get a move done coming from the outside.

 

[Deadheadbill]

My two cents about passing. While I completely agree that the first going in to the corner has the corner but.. You guys ever heard a block pass? The first going into the corner can't just turn in when there is other cars nose coming.. even if he is "right". I don't like these passes but it happens all the time in real racing too. And the guys making these passes don't give up their places after it happens..

Example:



Here's a dive bomb to bottas who has old tires. He can't turn in to a corner because it would ruin both of their races. Great overtake everyone says.. In tight racing this is basically only way to pass anyone.. ever.

Did any of you watch motogp philip island this year? Dirty racing but even the riders said most fun in ages..

I don't like it personally but I think some in these forums have to think a bit about those dive bombers mentality. You just need to let them pass sometimes, unfortunately. Those guys are usually over edge all the time and they will crack later on.

And what about that racing etiquette ricciardo gave with his finger?

As Jules said, no divebomb there they were side by side going into the corner. I think that some people divebombing in this game may actually think they are attempting to pass in the manner of this video but their lack of skill and the amount of speed they carry into the corner just turns it into carnage. That and their complete lack of regard for their competitor since it is "just a game".

 

[Finflash]

Well, this was the first overtake that popped in when I looked at youtube, it's not the worst case of course, youcan find examples if you want. I just wish we aren't going to debate this f1 pass because that's not what I'm talking about. Could we stick to the subject?

 

[MBRuss]

You know what penalties I hate the most?
When you make a mistake and go off track, which in absolutely no way gains you anything even approaching an advantage, and in actual fact loses you places, and then you still get a penalty for leaving the track!? Like seriously, just rub some salt in the wound why don't you!

This. I got a 2 second penalty the other day for this. It seems that rather than working out of you gained an advantage for being off the track (I.E. a shortcut) it just looks at whether you maintained speed and how long you were off the track. If you didn't slow to a crawl (such as getting stuck in a gravel trap) and you stay off the track for a little while, the game seems to assume that you took a shortcut. As such, if I run wide I try to trun straight back to the closest part of the track to where I come off, even if it's slower than taking a less abrupt angle to get back on the track. Doing this seems to avoid the penalty, but also means it takes a little longer to get back on the track Overall you end up better off though.

I always struggle getting rid of penalties - i slow down on a straight and nothing happens, then I go around the corner normally and it starts ticking down...?!

I suspect that it's sometimes quicker to just leave the penalty until the end, than try to work out the correct scenario for getting the penalty to "count down".

Last night the penalty system seemed to be working well though. I had a few scrapes and knocks with other cars (as you do in a tight group) and got nothing other than the odd SR decrease, but one asshat was purposely shoving every car that he passed - literally, side-by-side with him and he'd turn into you, despite going down a straight and having no reason to move over. I watched him batter cars in front of me, and later cars behind me. Every time I saw him, he was battering other cars, the whole time. Right at the end he caught up with me (god knows how with all the "arguing" he was doing with everyone), and forced me into another car in a tight turn, giving him the position.

We crossed the line 6th and 7th, though I was quickly awarded 6th as his 9 seconds of penalties dropped him to 11th. Justice!

I'm amazed that he only had 9 seconds, as the whole race he was constantly swerving into people the entire time and using people as brakes/corner guides.

 

[Deadheadbill]

Well, this was the first overtake that popped in when I looked at youtube, it's not the worst case of course, youcan find examples if you want. I just wish we aren't going to debate this f1 pass because that's not what I'm talking about. Could we stick to the subject?

Haha. True story. Posted in wrong thread by accident maybe?

 

[Finflash]

Haha. True story. Posted in wrong thread by accident maybe?

Well I just read other posts and people were discussing these passes here.

 

[MBRuss]

As Jules said, no divebomb there they were side by side going into the corner. I think that some people divebombing in this game may actually think they are attempting to pass in the manner of this video but their lack of skill and the amount of speed they carry into the corner just turns it into carnage. That and their complete lack of regard for their competitor since it is "just a game".

This is the most common way that people pass me in the game - start from miles back, brake far too late allowing them to catch up to me, then because I'm already at the apex or close to it, they've had to come in at a tight angle to the corner, plus they still have more speed than me, so have no chance of getting around. This of course results in my door being both a brake and guardrail to help these idiots around the corner at my expense. I actually had two cars flood through the other day, both slower than me - first knocks me wide, allowing both of them through in the split second that I hear them whizz up the inside. I always re-catch them though, as once I'm not there to facilitate their corner speeds it's easy to regain the place. Then the next time they get close to me before a corner I just brake early and try to take a wide line - they shoot up the inside and usually go wide or off entirely.

One thing I noticed last night is a rushing wind noise that you hear if somebody is coming up behind/beside you on a straight. I hadn't noticed that before, only the squealy tyres noise, which always makes me think the person behind is sliding off behind me (when they aren't).

 

[Deadheadbill]

This is the most common way that people pass me in the game - start from miles back, brake far too late allowing them to catch up to me, then because I'm already at the apex or close to it, they've had to come in at a tight angle to the corner, plus they still have more speed than me, so have no chance of getting around. This of course results in my door being both a brake and guardrail to help these idiots around the corner at my expense. I actually had two cars flood through the other day, both slower than me - first knocks me wide, allowing both of them through in the split second that I hear them whizz up the inside. I always re-catch them though, as once I'm not there to facilitate their corner speeds it's easy to regain the place. Then the next time they get close to me before a corner I just brake early and try to take a wide line - they shoot up the inside and usually go wide or off entirely.

One thing I noticed last night is a rushing wind noise that you hear if somebody is coming up behind/beside you on a straight. I hadn't noticed that before, only the squealy tyres noise, which always makes me think the person behind is sliding off behind me (when they aren't).

Yeah, that's why it is sooo satisfying to hear that crunch when they come barreling down the hill on the inside before the chicanes on Dragons Tail and smash into that wall. I see them racing down inside there and brake just a little early to let them go flying past and bob's your uncle.