Sorry, you are completely incorrect and I can tell you are someone who doesn't know racing. Pay attention to the video, I lose time in every single clip. You can barely stay in S SR and couldn't even get into A for ages. You're less than 1/5 of my DR.
"contact = punishment" is like saying "gun violence = punishment... doesn't matter which side of the bullet you're on!"
No penalty? Did you upload or link the wrong video? The guy in the Mercedes in that video gets two separate penalties after the two contacts (and the first looks a bit harsh on him; the second much less so).Btw, the guy who hit me was B. No penalty.
No penalty? Did you upload or link the wrong video? The guy in the Mercedes in that video gets two separate penalties after the two contacts (and the first looks a bit harsh on him; the second much less so).
So here I see 2 cars battling ahead, so I brake a bit earlier in Turn 1 for safety, then when on the outside (just naturally happened due to the car ahead being forced wide and onto the inside of Turn 2), I slow down (from 74mph to 68mph in a section I should really be keeping a much more constant speed, or even accelerating), I give plenty of room, however the other driver drives on the racing line as if I don't exist, so we make really small contact.
I get a 2 second penalty for that contact, ...
On the video you posted, your car steps out on acceleration from the chicane and moves to the right, so he moves to the left to avoid, pass, or both. According to the radar, he then has his nose alongside you on the left right up to the point you move across left to hit the apex. As he's already there and can't really disappear, I'd call that one as being on you. But then I'd also call it a racing incident.He tries to capitalize on my little traction loss and taps me
Aside from that not being a universal rule I'm particularly aware of - all cars have a responsibility to share the track and neither hit nor move to hit other cars - you can't apply real-life racing principles like that to GT Sport. GT Sport has its own rule set, and that includes the fact you might get a penalty in any car-to-car contact, regardless of whether it was your fault or not.But, my point is why does the lead car get penalized almost equally when the universal rule is that the person behind is responsible for the safe pass?
Why is it too much to ask?To simplify, my point is the only penalties I saw you get you deserved.
If you cut a corner it is not reasonable to expect the game to compare sectors to see if you actually get the penalty. Too much to ask.
On the video you posted, your car steps out on acceleration from the chicane and moves to the right, so he moves to the left to avoid, pass, or both. According to the radar, he then has his nose alongside you on the left right up to the point you move across left to hit the apex. As he's already there and can't really disappear, I'd call that one as being on you. But then I'd also call it a racing incident.
I imagine his room would have then been filled with "WHY DID I GET FOUR SECONDS FOR THAT?!" - and you only got three - given that his demeanour then seems to change to "smash him out of the way at my next opportunity". For that second contact, he deservedly gets ten seconds, although I don't think your five second penalty was particularly kind or necessary.
Oh ya, these penalties REALLY keep things clean and only punish "bad drivers"
Btw, the guy who hit me was B. I was in 5th because I was spun at the chicane by a different B driver.
It was his apex and he took it. Unfortunately so slowly that the OP was able to get his nose up to the driver door, at which point he has just as much right to his track position as the other car. The OP left the entire track available to the inside car but the inside car forces him out onto the curbing. The algorithm calls that a penalty but I don't believe it's a fair or just penalty.Sorry, you did not give him plenty of room. It was his apex and you blocked his exit line ruining his exit speed. Exiting that turn he's allowed to edge you all the way to the last 3/4 car width of the race track's edge. You deserved the penalty and he did nothing wrong there. When you are running two wide on a turn and are on the outside, you are only obligated to a car width at the edge of the exit line.
It was his apex and he took it. Unfortunately so slowly that the OP was able to get his nose up to the driver door, at which point he has just as much right to his track position as the other car. The OP left the entire track available to the inside car but the inside car forces him out onto the curbing. The algorithm calls that a penalty but I don't believe it's a fair or just penalty.
Sorry, you did not give him plenty of room. It was his apex and you blocked his exit line ruining his exit speed. Exiting that turn he's allowed to edge you all the way to the last 3/4 car width of the race track's edge. You deserved the penalty and he did nothing wrong there. When you are running two wide on a turn and are on the outside, you are only obligated to a car width at the edge of the exit line.
If I'd have committed rather than trying to slow up, I would have been fully alongside and would have got a faster exit, but even then he would force me wide.
The appropriate question would be, in what rule book is a penalty given out for incidental contact when a following driver gains overlap while negotiating a corner and in what rule book is a driver on the inside allowed to run a driver on the outside all the way onto the curbing on exit?In what rule book is the trailing overlapping car entitled to block the middle of the track and the inside driver's exit line? Please show me.
This isn't F1, it's online racing. The position of all drivers on the circuit should be respected and, if someone gets alongside through normal and legitimate online racing tactics, in this case accurately assessing your opponents likelihood of an error and placing yourself in a position to capitalize without significant contact, you have an obligation to leave them sufficient room to negotiate the corner.
Again, in what rule book is the inside driver obligated to brake and ruin their exit for a trailing overlapping car? I've never heard of such a thing in any format of racing. At this point I would even take a citation from a bumper car manual.
I'm questioning the fact that I get a 2 second penalty for it, plus the game incorrectly saying the other driver got the same penalty, when he didn't as I saw after.
You deserved the penalty, you ruined the other driver's exit speed and his lap.
Your question is irrelevant, that's why I ignored it. There is no rule book for GTS online racing and this isn't open wheeled, F1 racing so cherry picking their rules is also irrelevant. If you want to look at rules specifically designed for online racing but not the official rules for GTS you can find them right here at GTP and I'm pretty sure they'd support my case. In fact, all the rules I've ever seen around online racing would support my case. In any case, I think most people would agree that the penalty was unjust and that mutual respect for each other's position on the track, when fairly won, leads to much better and cleaner online racing than defaulting to a rule book that is dozens and dozens of pages long, and designed for open wheeled real racing and not (mostly) sedan based virtual racing.Again, in what rule book is the inside driver obligated to brake and ruin their exit for a trailing overlapping car? I've never heard of such a thing in any format of racing. At this point I would even take a citation from a bumper car manual.
ruined
If that is me ruining the other driver, then I don't know what words you use for other incidents. The other driver clearly drove the racing line, exactly like he would if I wasn't there, and the contact was so minor that the speed wasn't affected. Now you're just exaggerating
Your question is irrelevant, that's why I ignored it. There is no rule book for GTS online racing and this isn't open wheeled, F1 racing so cherry picking their rules is also irrelevant. If you want to look at rules specifically designed for online racing but not the official rules for GTS you can find them right here at GTP and I'm pretty sure they'd support my case. In fact, all the rules I've ever seen around online racing would support my case. In any case, I think most people would agree that the penalty was unjust and that mutual respect for each other's position on the track, when fairly won, leads to much better and cleaner online racing than defaulting to a rule book that is dozens and dozens of pages long, and designed for open wheeled real racing and not (mostly) sedan based virtual racing.
That's a 1 to 2 second drop in my lap time.
Which he's perfectly entitled to if he gets along side you at the exit because, in this case because you made an error in the corner and ran into the other car, slowing your forward momentum. He capitalized in a perfectly legal and respectful manner, entirely without contact or the threat of it until the inside car ran him out at exit, but somehow you think that because you are on one side of the track you have an automatic right to the entire track?If I'm running a lap and you cut off my exit there, you're dropping my exit speed for that entire next sector. That's a 1 to 2 second drop in my lap time. Yes, you would be ruining my lap.
You've cherry picked a set of rules that bear no relation to this videogame whatsoever. I can do the same and it'll support my case. Neither set of rules applies to this game in any offical way but at least mine are designed for actual online racing so I'd argue that mine are far more relevant. However, you still wouldn't be convinced and would still just shout about the FIA rulebook so what's the point? Can you show me the part of the FIA rulebook that provides for a 2 second penalty for these exact circumstances?When we all decide to race in the JohnnyPenso 500 series then maybe your observation will matter. I've cited relevant rules and that's the best I can do here to defend my position. You've still failed to defend yours. I can't possibly imagine how racing could even occur if a trailing car was allowed to block the inside car's exit. That just seems totally bizarre to me.
He capitalized in a perfectly legal and respectful manner, entirely without contact or the threat of it until the inside car ran him out at exit, but somehow you think that because you are on one side of the track you have an automatic right to the entire track?
Holy hell what are you on, watch the video again. The other driver goes to the far left of the track just like normal. The other driver wasn't forced to take a different line because of me, wasn't forced more to the inside because of me etc. And even if the other driver was forced to not go as far to the left, you don't lose 1-2 seconds like that. You are exaggerating to no end.
The exit speed on that turn establishes his pace for that entire sector. You know this.
If exit speed is highly affected, and with a large straight after, then 1-2 seconds is possible, but:
1) The exit speed clearly wasn't affected. He took the racing line, went to the left part of the track just like normal. My position didn't affect him.
2) The straight after is very short, with the fast right and then the braking zone after. It isn't a long straight so momentum isn't even hugely important there (compared to the final corner at Dragon Trail).
You know this.
In short, when the passer isn’t ahead, he gives up the corner.