Where was God on 9/11?
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The thing that pisses me off most, though, is that all the troubles of the Israel/Palestine wars and battles can be traced back to WW2. It was because of the Axis that the borders were changed. But once you think about it, was WW2 over all bad? It is my belief that WW2 helped change our outlook on many things, and also helped make us a more advanced race by increasing the mechanical limits. Before WW2, who would have known that we could break the sound barrier? And who would have thought that we would have men in space, later the moon, and eventually on other planets?
So, maybe, just for the argument's sake, maybe Germany, Austria, and Italy should all take over Israel and Palestine. After all, they're the main cause of the problems. Or maybe England, wasn't part of that area owned by England before?
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In answer to the original question: God has a plan for everything. although it was a horrible tragedy and we lost 3,000 lives, we could have lost up to 100,000 lives. He was there making it so people would be late to work that day, and making the renovations happening on the Pentagon so that all of the offices in the section that was hit were empty. And what about that plane that crashed in Pennsylvania? That was meant for the white house, but God stopped it. on the recording from that flight, you hear one of the passengers say "God, Help me; Jesus, help me! Let's do this!!!" and that's the last thing you hear. So, if God wasn't there, how did we only lose 3,000 people when there could have been countless thousands more? And besides, what Satan intends for evil, God will turn around and use for good.
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I agree with you, Jpec. Here is an email that I received on 9/13/01...
"I had a very dear friend question my faith in God right after the
terrorist attack on America. Her question was simply put, "Where is your God today?" She was very hurt, as all Americans were, so I tried not to react defensively. Since that moment I have prayed and grieved over the disastrous events. However, I believe I have the answer. I know where my God was the morning of September 11, 2001! He was very busy.
First of all, he was trying to discourage anyone from taking this flight. Those four flights together held over 1000 passengers and there was only 266 aboard.
He was on 4 commercial flights giving terrified passengers the ability to stay calm. Not one of the family members who was called by a loved one on one of the high-jacked planes said that passengers were screaming in the background. On one of the flights He was giving strength to passengers to try to overtake the high-jackers.
He was busy trying to create obstacles for employees at the World Trade Center. After all only around 20,000 were at the towers when the first jet hit. Since the buildings hold over 50,000 workers, this was a miracle in itself. So many of the people who were employed at the WTC told the media that they were late for work or they had traffic delays.
He was holding up 2-110 story buildings so that 2/3 of the workers could get out. I was so amazed that the top of the towers didn't topple when the jets impacted.
Although this is without a doubt the worst thing I have seen in my life, I can see God's miracles in every bit of it. I keep thinking about my friend and praying for her every chance I have. I can't imagine going through such a difficult time and not believing in God. Life would be hopeless."
"I had a very dear friend question my faith in God right after the
terrorist attack on America. Her question was simply put, "Where is your God today?" She was very hurt, as all Americans were, so I tried not to react defensively. Since that moment I have prayed and grieved over the disastrous events. However, I believe I have the answer. I know where my God was the morning of September 11, 2001! He was very busy.
First of all, he was trying to discourage anyone from taking this flight. Those four flights together held over 1000 passengers and there was only 266 aboard.
He was on 4 commercial flights giving terrified passengers the ability to stay calm. Not one of the family members who was called by a loved one on one of the high-jacked planes said that passengers were screaming in the background. On one of the flights He was giving strength to passengers to try to overtake the high-jackers.
He was busy trying to create obstacles for employees at the World Trade Center. After all only around 20,000 were at the towers when the first jet hit. Since the buildings hold over 50,000 workers, this was a miracle in itself. So many of the people who were employed at the WTC told the media that they were late for work or they had traffic delays.
He was holding up 2-110 story buildings so that 2/3 of the workers could get out. I was so amazed that the top of the towers didn't topple when the jets impacted.
Although this is without a doubt the worst thing I have seen in my life, I can see God's miracles in every bit of it. I keep thinking about my friend and praying for her every chance I have. I can't imagine going through such a difficult time and not believing in God. Life would be hopeless."
I'm not sure I agree with Graham on this issue. I don't believe God turned his back on the people involved in the 9-11 attacks because we forced him out. I believe he was there with those who believe in Him. I believe he was standing with them and going through it with them.
It's true that sometimes bad things happen to good people and that sometimes good things happen to bad people. But when the bad things happen to good people they have someone there to help them through it and show them that there is something greater to look forward too.
It's true that sometimes bad things happen to good people and that sometimes good things happen to bad people. But when the bad things happen to good people they have someone there to help them through it and show them that there is something greater to look forward too.
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Jpec07, TATINEE, nice posts.
For those of you who don't belive there is a Christ, these are prophecies of the last days. Signs that we are getting closer to Chist's return. If you have a Bible around, go look them up.
1. Increase of wars and rumors of war
Joel 3:9-10; & Matt. 24:6-7
2. Extreme materialism
2 Tim. 3:1-2; & Rev. 3:14-19
3. Lawlessness
Ps. 78:8; & Prov. 30:11-14; 2 Tim. 3:2-3
4. Population explosion
Gen. 6:1
5. Increase in speed and knowledge
Dan. 12:14
6. Departure from the Christian faith
2 Thess. 2:3; 1 Tim. 4:1, 3-4; 2 Tim. 3:5; 4:3-4; 2 Pet. 3:3-4
7. Intense demonic activity
Gen. 6:1-4: 1 Tim. 4:1-3
8. Unification of the world's religious, political, and economic systems
Rev. 13:4-8, 16-17; 17:1-18; 18:1-24
9. The absence of gifted leadership among the nations, thus making it
easy for he Antichrist to take over
10. Universal drug usage (The word "sorceries" here can also refer to drugs.)
Rev. 9:21
11. Abnormal sexual activity
Rom. 1:17-32; 2 Pet. 2:10, 14; 3:3; Jude 18
12. Mass slaughter of innocents by unconcerned mothers (abortion)
Rom. 1:31; 2 Tim. 3:3
13. Widespread violence
Gen. 6:11, 13; Rev. 9:21
14. Rejection of Gods's Word
2 Tim. 4:3-4; 2 Pet. 3:3-4, 16
15. Rejection of God himself
Ps. 2:1-3
16. Blasphemy
2 Tim. 3:2; 2 Pet. 3:3, Jude 18
17. Self-seeking and pleasure seeking
2 Tim. 3:2, 4
18. Men minus a conscience
1 Tim. 4:2
19. Religious hucksters
2 Pet. 2:3
20. Outright devil worshipers
Rev. 9:20, 13:11-14
21. Rise of false prophets and Antichrists
Matt. 24:5, 11; 2 Pet. 2:1-2
22. False claims of peace
1 Thess. 5:1-3
23. Rapid advances in technology
Gen. 4:22
24. Great political and religious upheavals in the Holy Land
Matt. 24:32-34
For those of you who don't belive there is a Christ, these are prophecies of the last days. Signs that we are getting closer to Chist's return. If you have a Bible around, go look them up.
1. Increase of wars and rumors of war
Joel 3:9-10; & Matt. 24:6-7
2. Extreme materialism
2 Tim. 3:1-2; & Rev. 3:14-19
3. Lawlessness
Ps. 78:8; & Prov. 30:11-14; 2 Tim. 3:2-3
4. Population explosion
Gen. 6:1
5. Increase in speed and knowledge
Dan. 12:14
6. Departure from the Christian faith
2 Thess. 2:3; 1 Tim. 4:1, 3-4; 2 Tim. 3:5; 4:3-4; 2 Pet. 3:3-4
7. Intense demonic activity
Gen. 6:1-4: 1 Tim. 4:1-3
8. Unification of the world's religious, political, and economic systems
Rev. 13:4-8, 16-17; 17:1-18; 18:1-24
9. The absence of gifted leadership among the nations, thus making it
easy for he Antichrist to take over
10. Universal drug usage (The word "sorceries" here can also refer to drugs.)
Rev. 9:21
11. Abnormal sexual activity
Rom. 1:17-32; 2 Pet. 2:10, 14; 3:3; Jude 18
12. Mass slaughter of innocents by unconcerned mothers (abortion)
Rom. 1:31; 2 Tim. 3:3
13. Widespread violence
Gen. 6:11, 13; Rev. 9:21
14. Rejection of Gods's Word
2 Tim. 4:3-4; 2 Pet. 3:3-4, 16
15. Rejection of God himself
Ps. 2:1-3
16. Blasphemy
2 Tim. 3:2; 2 Pet. 3:3, Jude 18
17. Self-seeking and pleasure seeking
2 Tim. 3:2, 4
18. Men minus a conscience
1 Tim. 4:2
19. Religious hucksters
2 Pet. 2:3
20. Outright devil worshipers
Rev. 9:20, 13:11-14
21. Rise of false prophets and Antichrists
Matt. 24:5, 11; 2 Pet. 2:1-2
22. False claims of peace
1 Thess. 5:1-3
23. Rapid advances in technology
Gen. 4:22
24. Great political and religious upheavals in the Holy Land
Matt. 24:32-34
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Vat-Man, the Bible has NEVER been proven wrong and never will be.In fact there have been a lot of people that have tried to prove the Bible wrong. Josh McDowell comes to mind. But they couldn't find ANY evidence against the Bible.After McDowell tried to prove it wrong, he became a Christian and has led thousands to the LORD.
I guess you belive in evolution. Try to prove it wrong after looking at this page.
http://www.digitalsword.co.uk/evolution.htm
I never said anything about the availability of guns to the community.
I guess you belive in evolution. Try to prove it wrong after looking at this page.
http://www.digitalsword.co.uk/evolution.htm
I never said anything about the availability of guns to the community.
Throughout world history, every minute of every day, there have been wars and rumors of war. In America, particularly, having just four major wars in the last century makes this era one of the more docile.
Can't argue with greed...
But extreme materalism always rises when economic and social conditions are better.This is the most lawful era in world history, I would say confidently.
'Explosion' is too broad a term. Must be clarified.
Increase in speed? People as a whole move just as fast now as they ever have. Increase in knowledge? Not without technology.
In a time of departure from the Christian faith, true Christians like you seem to be will actively seek a new Jesus to promote interest, and to rekindle their own spirits.
Where? I'll get an alarm system.
Religious systems? Uh, no. Political systems? No, politics are worse between the world now more than ever. Economic? Perhaps.
Which countries have an absence of gifted leadership? Don't say "The United States," unless you have actual proof that President Bush is stupid.
Universal meaning throughout the globe? Uh, not yet. Give it some time.
Such as?
It's fairly peaceful, considering how it's been in the last 250 years.
Maybe if God's high priests would stop molesting God's children, we'd stay In God's Country. (like the U2 reference there, vat_man?)
I think there's more agnostic-types now than ever before.
How could you say something like that?! BLASPHEMY! And remember, what I consider blasphemy may be totally different to someone else.
Self and pleasure seeking is just beginning now?
See 17.
More opinion stuff. What some may consider worshipping the devil, remember, are what some consider native beliefs which have been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years.When does this happen in today's world?
When does this not happen, in world history?
Since the beginning of time, there have been rapid advances in technology.
I wish we still had an
smiley, but the smiley will do for now. I take back what I said in my above post since there is no use arguing with someone who has total blind allegiance to a group like this. TO FOREIGNERS: Not all Americans are like NASCARnut. Most of us try to keep our views open to change, when change is necessary, and not led and dictated by a book.Originally posted by NASCARnut
http://www.digitalsword.co.uk/evolution.htm
I never said anything about the availability of guns to the community.
This site also takes an easily disputed but never-settling Bible viewpoint. It's easy to dispute some of the idiot claims made by the site (where's the proof of creation, then?) but when arguing with someone like you, we can never get the right answer.
, I just meet a guy and talked to him just tonight. He expressed his experiences on how God gives him additional strength when he couldn't go anymore on his own accord. Hmmmm.... Your perseption is how you conceive it.
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for me god is everything.
he's my confident,friend,helper,my love,my hope, etc etc.
but if you don't believe on yourself and don't do nothing by yourself nobody wi'll do it for you.
god give the force and tools you need,but he can't make all the job by for you,you need to put effort too.
you can take the horse to the river ,but you can't make them drink the water.
he's my confident,friend,helper,my love,my hope, etc etc.
but if you don't believe on yourself and don't do nothing by yourself nobody wi'll do it for you.
god give the force and tools you need,but he can't make all the job by for you,you need to put effort too.
you can take the horse to the river ,but you can't make them drink the water.
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Everyone has something they believe in. If someone believes in God, more power to them. If they believe in Allah, or The Goddess, or themselves, more power to them.
In fact, if someone wants to run around saying they think the world is going to end, and preparing themselves for it, more power to them.
However, if someone tries to tell me that I need to live by the rules of thier god, allah, or Great Horned One, there's a problem. Believe whatever you want, as long as you don't tell me what to believe in. Missionary work is probably the worst creation in any religion.
In fact, if someone wants to run around saying they think the world is going to end, and preparing themselves for it, more power to them.
However, if someone tries to tell me that I need to live by the rules of thier god, allah, or Great Horned One, there's a problem. Believe whatever you want, as long as you don't tell me what to believe in. Missionary work is probably the worst creation in any religion.
Originally posted by NASCARnut
Vat-Man, the Bible has NEVER been proven wrong and never will be.In fact there have been a lot of people that have tried to prove the Bible wrong. Josh McDowell comes to mind. But they couldn't find ANY evidence against the Bible.After McDowell tried to prove it wrong, he became a Christian and has led thousands to the LORD.
I guess you belive in evolution. Try to prove it wrong after looking at this page.
http://www.digitalsword.co.uk/evolution.htm
I never said anything about the availability of guns to the community.
You obviously don't understand the concept of sarcasm....
...and that website was hilarious. If DNA is so stable, then why is possible to identify individuals by their DNA profile? Why do children have DNA that is a combination of their parents? Also, it appears that website has no concept that evolution takes place in the context of millions of years, and many thousands of generations. Evolution is about the concept of competition - if your DNA provides you with a competitive advantage, then it's more likely you'll breed, therefore passing on elements of your advantageous DNA to your children. Simple, isn't it?
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Evolution-everything everywhere was formed from nothing anywhere. If there were a bunch of tornadoes that were destroying junk yards all over the country, over millions of years, shouldn't we be able to find a new Ferrari created by all the debris.
And the chance of that is what? Probably a better chance then a bunch of random events happening just perfect to create everything from nothing.
Scientists have found fish fossils on top of mountains. How did they get there? Well, they can't jump up there, or fly or walk. So they must have had some kind of help. How about a gigantic flood that covered the earth.
Where was God on 9/11? He was there. Why would God let something like this happen? Because of sin. If Adam and Eve hadn't sinned the world wouldn't be the mess that it is.When people sin, innocent people get hurt. We have a choice, everyday whether to accept God as Lord and Savior or to reject him and his free gift to all of us. It's right there waiting for you. All you have to do is take it.
And the chance of that is what? Probably a better chance then a bunch of random events happening just perfect to create everything from nothing.
Scientists have found fish fossils on top of mountains. How did they get there? Well, they can't jump up there, or fly or walk. So they must have had some kind of help. How about a gigantic flood that covered the earth.
Where was God on 9/11? He was there. Why would God let something like this happen? Because of sin. If Adam and Eve hadn't sinned the world wouldn't be the mess that it is.When people sin, innocent people get hurt. We have a choice, everyday whether to accept God as Lord and Savior or to reject him and his free gift to all of us. It's right there waiting for you. All you have to do is take it.
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93 million miles from the sun hangs the planet earth. A rotating sphere perfectly suspended in the center of the universe. The ultimate creation from an infinite mind. An unbelievably intricate complex design. A supernatural testimony, an irrefutable sign that there IS a God. The size position and angle of the earth is a scientific phenomenon. A few degrees closer to the sun we'd disinigrate, a few degrees further we'd freeze. The axis of the earth is tilted at a perfect 23 degree angle. It's no mistake that it is. This allows equal global distribution to the rays of the sun making it possible for the food chain to exist. Or take for example the combination of nitrogen and oxygen we breathe every day. It just happens to be the exact mixture that lifes needs to prosper, it dosen't happen on any other planet that way.
You see, the Bible says the invisible things are seen through His creation, to believe this is not hard. If there is a design, there's a designer, if there is a plan there's a planner, and if there's a miracle, there is a God.
The moon controls the tides which drag impurities into the the depths of the sea. It's natures constant recycling chain. It simplty boogles the mind to think that the stars will rotate with such exact precision that the atomic clock with an error factor of less than 3 seconds per millineum is set by the way they move.
Atheism has never still, never given answers to our existance.
You see, the Bible says the invisible things are seen through His creation, to believe this is not hard. If there is a design, there's a designer, if there is a plan there's a planner, and if there's a miracle, there is a God.
The moon controls the tides which drag impurities into the the depths of the sea. It's natures constant recycling chain. It simplty boogles the mind to think that the stars will rotate with such exact precision that the atomic clock with an error factor of less than 3 seconds per millineum is set by the way they move.
Atheism has never still, never given answers to our existance.
I'll give you a tip about September 11. The guys who flew those planes into those buildings believed in their God a lot more strongly than you believe in yours - and I mean in no way at all to belittle your own faith, let me assure you.
To categorise this event as one purely driven by evil is to completely and dangerously misunderstand the context and circumstances surrounding September 11.
People make choices to do what they do - if people choose to adopt a moral code from their religion, fine and good, but people should be able to develop a suitable moral code independant of religious insitutions - isn't that what parenting involves? If you look closely into a lot of issues plaguing modern society, I would put it to you that most of them involve a lack of taking personal responsiblity for one's actions, and a reluctance to accept the consequences thereof.
Does the Bible make mentions of Ferraris?
How about a little proof?
Here's the problem I have with religious fanatics like yourself. After closing your mind so much that you can have no other possible belief system or views, you then go try and force your views, which can be easily disputed, on other people that don't care to listen to them or simply don't believe in them.Believing in god to the extent that you seem to, NASCARnut, is only because you need to think someone's out there guiding you. Many friends I have are religious, but they only bring up their religion when it's appropriate, and they never say things like "We have a choice, to ... accept God as Lord and Saviour or reject him... All you have to do is take it." So here's my equally compelling statement to someone like you: God is believed in by many people, but only believed in to the extent that you do by the few. For them, God exists unconditionally. For me, I look at them and wonder why they waste their time praying in vain for a saviour to rise from their streets, and why they don't believe in themselves so much that they have to rely on someone they've never heard or seen, just merely read about in a book.
A few years ago, a commercial airline pilot in Egypt aimed his plane, full of passengers, towards the ground, muttering "God will save me." But guess what? God didn't save him, or his passengers. Every one of them died.
There's a little lesson about putting all your trust in your 'saviour.'
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