Who are these people and why do they hate Canada?

[Gonzza]

what a stupid biatch haha

 

[PublicSecrecy]

how can anyone hate Canada any way ? Its like kicking puppys .

I take offence to that. Not because you referred to it as kicking puppies, but as making a "sweeping generalization" about Canadians as small and weak. Just remember who burned down your Whitehouse.

 

[Max Powers]

ur mom?

 

[Anderton Prime]

I fear this is just going to turn into another Canada vs. America thread, and that's bad news for everyone.

 

[TwinTurboJay]

That can be taken two ways, you know.

And, in follow-up to your implication, how does it compare to the total amount of money contributed by American citizens and government?

American Government is spending almost a billion a week in the 'war effort' in Iraq.....and the US governments first offer for tsunami relief..35 million., Granted its has changed, but it the initial offer just shows where the heart and minds of the US government is at.

 

[Ghost C]

American Government is spending almost a billion a week in the 'war effort' in Iraq.....and the US governments first offer for tsunami relief..35 million., Granted its has changed, but it the initial offer just shows where the heart and minds of the US government is at.

I'm sorry, who has 15,000 of their troops - The largest relief effort sent by any country - Over helping the tsunami victims right now?

The initial amount was $45,000,000 and 10,000 troops, by the way.

 

[///M-Spec]

American Government is spending almost a billion a week in the 'war effort' in Iraq.....and the US governments first offer for tsunami relief..35 million., Granted its has changed, but it the initial offer just shows where the heart and minds of the US government is at.

When I lived in New York City, I once put a quarter in a hobo's cup only to hear hear him ask me,"spare some more?" when I said "no", he muttered "thanks for nothin', m&*#$*(@#ker". Your statement reminds me of that incident. There are few things I find more repugnant than someone with a bottomless sense of entitlement.

We got 4 major hurricanes in Florida last year with resulting damage into the billions of dollars as well as over 100 deaths. I don't recall getting a check in the mail from anyone in Thailand or India or even Canada. No one came by to help me clean up my yard or fix my neighbor's roof. Of course the difference is that I wasn't expecting any help.

Thanks for nuthin' anyway.

Do they deserve help? Yes. But how much is up to us to decide. That's the difference between charity and taxes. If this is going to turn into another whinefest about America, you all know where you can take it.


M

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Canada wouldn't need that security if it wasn't for the fact that the US pissed off 80% of the world.

Do you even know why the US pissed off 80% of the world?

 

[Anderton Prime]

Are you actually comparing Florida hurricanes to the disaster in South Asia? 100 Americans killed (probably most of them at least middle-class) vs. 160,000+? Give me a BREAK!

On the other hand, I wasn't surprised to hear something like this coming from an American's mouth. So for the Iraqis who never asked for your help, you send everything you've got and spend billions, but for the tsunami disaster victims who need your help you send a few million?

Also, this tsunami came out of NOWHERE. Hurricanes are a common occurrence in Florida every year; if you live in Florida by choice and your home is destroyed by a hurricane, you've got one person to blame, and that's YOURSELF.

Also, it's not the people in South Asia "whining" for more money, it's the rest of the world who is continuing to shake their heads at your country. Your track record speaks for itself. The tsunami victims aren't asking you for anything; they were too busy trying to locate their relatives and pulling water-bloated corpses out of the streets. The world is racing to their aid out of a sense of humanitarianism.

 

[PublicSecrecy]

ur mom?

Suddenly the "ur mom" comback has become a compliment. Hey Ev0, TTJ, did you hear my mom burned down the whitehouse?

 

[Ten]

Do you even know why the US pissed off 80% of the world?

I didn't want this to turn into a Canada vs. America vs. The World thread. Guess what? It did.

Yay for regret.

Nothing personal, and I don't mean to be a dick, but I don't feel like hearing the reason. I know, and I have my own opinion on the matter. I'd rather not get into that here in this discussion.

But you know what? It doesn't matter. Wtf was I thinking, posting this? Some of you blow some things so wildly out of context that I often need to duck while posting so I don't get pegged in the head by flying accusations and completely nonsensical and shallow political points coming at my topic from all sides.

Have fun talking about Tsunamis and who owes who what. I'm stepping away from my own disaster now.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Are you actually comparing Florida hurricanes to the disaster in South Asia? 100 Americans killed (probably most of them at least middle-class) vs. 160,000+? Give me a BREAK!

I don't believe this is the point he was trying to make.

On the other hand, I wasn't surprised to hear something like this coming from an American's mouth.

Why the stereotype?

So for the Iraqis who never asked for your help, you send everything you've got and spend billions

There is a reason for this.

, but for the tsunami disaster victims who need your help you send a few million?

When you say "you" are you referring to the US government, or private donations?

Also, this tsunami came out of NOWHERE. Hurricanes are a common occurrence in Florida every year; if you live in Florida by choice and your home is destroyed by a hurricane, you've got one person to blame, and that's YOURSELF.

This is a valid point, however, that portion of Asia is sitting right on a fault line. The tectonic plates that caused the disaster slipped vertically, which pushed a significant amount of the ocean water. That's what triggered the tsunamis east and west from the fault line. Now if an earthquake were to hit San Francisco (i.e. 1906) would you say the same thing about them? "Well dude what did you expect? You were sitting on a fault line!" Though the magnitude of the tsunami caused more deaths in Asia, both are still disasters nonetheless.

Also, it's not the people in South Asia "whining" for more money, it's the rest of the world who is continuing to shake their heads at your country. Your track record speaks for itself.

Track record? Not sure what you were referring to...

The tsunami victims aren't asking you for anything; they were too busy trying to locate their relatives and pulling water-bloated corpses out of the streets. The world is racing to their aid out of a sense of humanitarianism.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

I didn't want this to turn into a Canada vs. America vs. The World thread. Guess what? It did.

Yay for regret.

Nothing personal, and I don't mean to be a dick, but I don't feel like hearing the reason. I know, and I have my own opinion on the matter. I'd rather not get into that here in this discussion.

But you know what? It doesn't matter. Wtf was I thinking, posting this? Some of you blow some things so wildly out of context that I often need to duck while posting so I don't get pegged in the head by flying accusations and completely nonsensical and shallow political points coming at my topic from all sides.

Have fun talking about Tsunamis and who owes who what. I'm stepping away from my own disaster now.

Minor misunderstanding... I didn't mean it to sound the way it did. What I was really looking for is your opinion on the matter.

 

[Ten]

Ahh, sorry about that. I've gotten your PM, and explained myself there. I dont want to post it here and give anymore fuel for a more inane topic to spur from. 👍

 

[///M-Spec]

Are you actually comparing Florida hurricanes to the disaster in South Asia? 100 Americans killed (probably most of them at least middle-class) vs. 160,000+? Give me a BREAK!

:sigh: Nooo, for the first and last time. I AM NOT EQUATING ON A HUMANITARIAN LEVEL, THE HURRICANES IN FLORIDA TO THE TUNAMIS IN ASIA.

The hurricanes were brought up to illustrate that when America has natural disaster, the world is mute. We don't expect outside help, we don't get help. But when a disaster strikes somewhere else, America is criticized for not doing enough, no matter what she does. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing it. But you can read into it however you like, since people like you will always find a way to view something in a negative light, no doubt to fuel your desperate need to feel self-righteous about something.

On the other hand, I wasn't surprised to hear something like this coming from an American's mouth. So for the Iraqis who never asked for your help, you send everything you've got and spend billions, but for the tsunami disaster victims who need your help you send a few million?

I didn't send them jack. If it were up to me, they wouldn't get anything because we would never have been there to BEGIN WITH. Maybe you missed this, but roughly 1 in 2 Americans didn't actually vote for Bush.

BOTH TIMES.

Also, this tsunami came out of NOWHERE. Hurricanes are a common occurrence in Florida every year; if you live in Florida by choice and your home is destroyed by a hurricane, you've got one person to blame, and that's YOURSELF.

4 Catagory 3+s are NOT common. Besides which my point with the hurricanes was to illustrate that you didn't hear US whining about it.

And tsunami and weather experts tried to get Asian governments to develop better tsunami warning systems for years.

Also, it's not the people in South Asia "whining" for more money, it's the rest of the world who is continuing to shake their heads at your country.

And when did I say anyone in South Asia was "whining"?

Your track record speaks for itself.

Yes it does. The American government and the American people together is responsible for a sizeable chunk of aid every year--more than most countries. Yet, instead of recognizing that, people complain it's not enough.

EDIT: HERE are some charts and graphs. It looks like I was wrong. The US doesn't give more than most countries in foreign aid. It gives more than any other.

Yes, tell me about our track record.

The tsunami victims aren't asking you for anything; they were too busy trying to locate their relatives and pulling water-bloated corpses out of the streets. The world is racing to their aid out of a sense of humanitarianism.

Stop pretending I said anything about the victims.



M

 

[PublicSecrecy]

You go girl!




err...




I'm kinda on the fence now, since this turned into a "why isn't anyone doing this, why are these people complaining about that" thread...so heres what I've gather

-America gets hurricanes and noone cares because it happens all the time and they should be prepared
-America donates very large sums of aid money
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-America thinks Canada is gay
-Canada thinks America is gay
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (not to be taken literally)
-Tsunami's are very difficult to predict and the technology is expensive
-People all around the world are donating because 200,000 innocent unsuspecting people were killed
- South-east asia could become a breeding ground for bacteria and disease now
- People can't stop and think about what they, or someone else is saying before the begin a rant.

So kiddies, where has this brought us? Nowhere. We have not gained anything from our incessant rambling, arguing, and complaining. Some of the arguments against/for something are even contradictory (ie. "pets are stupid, OMG I LOVE PETS!") to whatever they were previously bithcing about. So lets keep this to a dull roar, try to stay on topic, and possibly, just possibly, pretend that we're actually Allies for a reason.

 

[Duke]

The hurricanes were brought up to illustrate that when America has natural disaster, the world is mute. We don't expect outside help, we don't get help. But when a disaster strikes somewhere else, America is criticized for not doing enough, no matter what she does. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing it. But you can read into it however you like, since people like you will always find a way to view something in a negative light, no doubt to fuel your desperate need to feel self-righteous about something.

Extremely well said, ///M. Precisely how many dollars of aid come into the US every year?

Anderton, I think your 'Prime' is slipping.

 

[Cancooni]

Ahhh... just finished reading all those posts. As for the clip that initiated this "discussion"... people who make fun of others or pick on them, do so out of insecurity.

South of the boarder... a great world dominating nation always rife with the pressures of maintaining of that power. A huge rift bewteen the right & left as seen in the last election. One-sided economic policies that piss off most of the world and result in terrorist acts and war. It's unavoidable. That's the price and responsibility of being a superpower.

North of the boarder... we're not the most powerful... not even close. Apart from geography we're more European in our values. We allow for anyone to live here free of prejudice and we don't really care if you're gay or a lesbian. We smoke pot and be chillin' like villains. We have low crime rates and a miniscule number of homicides.

Do you blame right-leaning Americans from bashing us? We've got it pretty good.

Now I have to go, my dogs are waiting to take me home so I can chill with a fattie. MUSH!

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Extremely well said, ///M. Precisely how many dollars of aid come into the US every year?

Anderton, I think your 'Prime' is slipping.

Regardless of whether or not this is true, that was rather harsh on the man don't you think?

And to answer your rhetorical question , the reason why few if any aid comes into America from other countries is because we have the largest GDP in the world. Therefore it is assumed that we can "take care of ourselves", or at least that's the perception.

 

[Duke]

Regardless of whether or not this is true, that was rather harsh on the man don't you think?

No, not really.

And to answer your rhetorical question , the reason why few if any aid comes into America from other countries is because we have the largest GDP in the world. Therefore it is assumed that we can "take care of ourselves", or at least that's the perception.

It could also be that we don't ask for or expect anyone to help us out with our natural disasters, etc. I certainly don't expect other countries to send us charity... but that doesn't mean I particularly enjoy being told I'm a stingy tightwad because other countries do expect us to send charity to them.

 

[Cancooni]

It could also be that we don't ask for or expect anyone to help us out with our natural disasters, etc. I certainly don't expect other countries to send us charity... but that doesn't mean I particularly enjoy being told I'm a stingy tightwad because other countries do expect us to send charity to them.

You live in the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world. By helping developing countries make it through natural disasters, it's called being "gracious".... don't you think? A benovelent leader will always be a respected one.

Now where the hell did I park my dog sled... I think it was in section E3?

 

[MrktMkr1986]

It could also be that we don't ask for or expect anyone to help us out with our natural disasters, etc. I certainly don't expect other countries to send us charity... but that doesn't mean I particularly enjoy being told I'm a stingy tightwad because other countries do expect us to send charity to them.

Good point. I didn't look at it that way.
Even if that was the case is it possible that because everyone knows we have money (well some of us anyway... ) they expect us to help or look to us first for help (assuming what you say is in fact the case)?

 

[Anderton Prime]

Suddenly the "ur mom" comback has become a compliment. Hey Ev0, TTJ, did you hear my mom burned down the whitehouse?

Best GTP Comeback Of The Year.

 

[Duke]

You live in the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world. By helping developing countries make it through natural disasters, it's called being "gracious".... don't you think?

I certainly don't expect other countries to send us charity...

A benovelent leader will always be a respected one.

Bullpuckey - as has been amply demonstrated on this very forum over the last year or two. And on the subject, it wasn't generally true 30 years ago either. If you've ever heard this speech, given by a Canadian, he was actually quite angered over the complete lack of respect shown to the United States. He was, and is, quite the exception to the rule among outspoken non-Americans.

The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French, and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971, and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous, and possibly the least-appreciated, people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Well who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did, that's who.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges, and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Mississippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan, and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. And I was there -- I saw that. When distant cities are hit by earthquake, it is the United States that hurries into help, Managua, Nicaragua, is one of the most recent examples.

So far this spring, fifty-nine American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan, the Truman Policy, all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. And now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, war-mongering Americans.

Now, I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

Come on now, you, let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar, or the Douglas 10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or a women on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times, and, safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They're right here on our streets in Toronto. Most of them, unless they're breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend up here.

When the Americans get out of this bind -- as they will -- who could blame them if they said "the hell with the rest of the world." Let somebody else buy the Israel bonds. Let somebody else build or repair foreign dams, or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes." When the railways of France, and Germany, and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both of 'em are still broke.

I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name to me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They'll come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they're entitled to thumb their noses at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians.

And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters -- with the year less than half-over -- has taken it all. And nobody, but nobody, has helped.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

You live in the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world.

This is true, but don't forget that there are plenty of disadvantaged people in the US too.

By helping developing countries make it through natural disasters, it's called being "gracious".... don't you think? A benovelent leader will always be a respected one.

I agree. I gave money to help with the disaster. Despite the fact that I'm struggling to pay for college tuition. And as for the benevolent leader always being the respected one, there is a fundamental flaw with that theory. The positive actions of a benevolent leader can often be misinterpreted as a being imperialistic/monopolisitc, however you want to look at it. Like Microsoft for example.

Now where the hell did I park my dog sled... I think it was in section E3?

Didn't the dealer offer you an alarm system or something?!

 

[ledhed]

I take offence to that. Not because you referred to it as kicking puppies, but as making a "sweeping generalization" about Canadians as small and weak. Just remember who burned down your Whitehouse.

Well who's sufering from insecurities now ? I find Canada as inocent and trusting ...you see them as small and week. something to take up with your therapist ? While you are at it stop at a library . look up the war of 1812. go to the part about the British invasion force burning the white house down. then go to the result of the war a British loss.....to what amounted at that time to a 3rd world country ESPECIALLY compared to Britain.

We allow for anyone to live here free of prejudice and we don't really care if you're gay or a lesbian. We smoke pot and be chillin' like villains. We have low crime rates and a miniscule number of homicides.

So you live in San Francisco big deal .

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Well who's sufering from insecurities now ? I find Canada as inocent and trusting ...you see them as small and week. something to take up with your therapist ? While you are at it stop at a library . look up the war of 1812. go to the part about the British invasion force burning the white house down. then go to the result of the war a British loss.....to what amounted at that time to a 3rd world country ESPECIALLY compared to Britain.

Nice avatar by the way, Ledhed!

 

[Ev0]

Good post there Duke. As your quote states, America has done much work around the world, and Europe only has America to thank for a quick rebound after the most devastating war in history. I also hope Americans won't be alone in their times of need in the future.

 

[Anderton Prime]

neon, I'm not saying America has always sucked, only that in the last few years, oh say, since Dubbya has been in office, you've slipped a little. But I'm sure you'll get back on track in about four years...

 

[PublicSecrecy]

Well who's sufering from insecurities now ? I find Canada as inocent and trusting ...you see them as small and week. something to take up with your therapist ? While you are at it stop at a library . look up the war of 1812. go to the part about the British invasion force burning the white house down. then go to the result of the war a British loss.....to what amounted at that time to a 3rd world country ESPECIALLY compared to Britain.

So you live in San Francisco big deal .

you're the one who used the "kicking a puppy" analogy, hinting that like a puppy, we are small, weak and defenseless. Which is certainly something to get worked up over. And I've been to and seen an American school- they sure are proud of their space expeditions but do they go out of their way to mention the fact that the russians built the first rocket? The first rocket to space? the first manned mission to space? The first to send any living animal to space? No. Because you've got too much damned pride to think that not everything revolves around you. And, FYI, I don't, doubt I will ever need a therapist. And btw, Upper Canada was a British colony at the time. And besides, isn't the whitehouse the #1 protection priority? Heck, we can have a completely ignorant and drunken fool of a Prime Minister and still manage to burn down the whitehouse in 3 weeks. George Bush spends 6 months looking for Osama bin Laden as his "top priority" and gives up.

[edit] and who invented the lightbulb? Hint: it wasn't really edison- he just patented it. [edit]
[edit] Iraq, Iran, and Libya are considered thrid world countries and the US invades them...so why are you complaining? You're the most powerful nation in the world, and Iraq and Afghanistan are like what....200th?