Why are the RUF Porsches so aweful?

[cjr3559]

My quick cheap way of improving the handling of the RR RUFs is to equip front tires one less compound than the rears. It helps calm the twitchiness, but braking is slightly compromised. This works better for me and the BTR. The CTR can still be a handful.

 

[Famine]

Citroen and Peugeot modifying Toyotas? What? Are You playing clown or what? Peugeot, Citroen and Toyota have a common politic on these cars. It`s normal today. The Fiat 500 is the same as Ford KA...etc etc. Company politics. Or firm politics/strategy.

And you're saying that the same thing applies to RUF and Porsche, so RUF aren't a car company but a company that modifies Porsches.

On that basis, any company that uses another's platform is a mere modifier. Aston Martin modifies Toyotas, Ford modifies FIATs, Citroen and Peugeot modify Toyotas, Renault modifies Mercedes and Toyota modifies Subarus...

Of course you'll happily say that Aston Martin, Citroen/Peugeot (as PSA), FIAT, Ford, Mercedes, Renault, Subaru and Toyota are all their own car companies - you may even say that they make other cars too as justification for this. You'd be right. But the same thing applies to Porsche and RUF, and RUF also makes its own non-Porsche-platform-derived car too, the CTR3 (as I've said several times)...


(incidentally, inter-company platform sharing is quite rare even now; usually it's a platform shared between subsidiaries of the same company, like Nissan-Renault, PSA, Volkswagen Group or FCA. Sometimes it's a codevelopment with one partner building the car, like the Renault Twingo/Smart ForFour, Toyota Aygo/Peugeot 108/Citroen C1 and the Toyota GT86/Subaru BRZ. It's very rare for a manufacturer to buy into another's platform, like Ford did with the FCA "Mini" platform)

 

[light driver]

What...?

First off, why the Russians and the stereotypes they pose? Because all Russian drivers drink vodka... Right...

Second, what does Rowan Atkinson's McLaren F1 and a Danish footballer's Aston Martin have to do with RUF? These incidents happen because of human error. Not because they are too dangerous to drive. They could get carried away with the car, or some other factor.


Probably because what you're saying right now is not making any sense whatsoever to many of us.

Oh the Russian stereotypes were hard NOT to mention, as Russia is one of the new biggest market for European luxury cars. And Yes Russian drivers will play a major part in "widowmaking" with their new fast RUFs Ferraris and Lambos... In fact; if one takes a look on the Russian accident statistics, and compare the number of RUFs and Ferrais and Lambos involved, You would have an improved, more precise global picture of it. (Who is the widowmaker)
Russia is a MAJOR market for those cars today, and that started after the Wall came down...Not mentioning Russia would be a mistake. - Especially for You people who sticks to the "can only be handled by experts" RUF statement. Dragging in the Russian statistics will help You, not me.
I claim that the RUF/911 is NOT especially dangerous to the public...Russian statistics could help here. Problem is vodka. It might seem I try to "stereotype" the Russians but I`m not. I just look at the traffic, and they have catastrphic high casualty numbers. In Denmark we have very FEW accidents, despite our car density is the double of the Russian...

Rowan Atkinson and the Danish footballer. - Well I don`t think there is anything wrong with mentioning them. Two guys who got quickly rich, both bought a hyper car - and crashed it. Guess those crashes took place due to stupid behavior from their respective drivers. It is not related to RUF - but it is related to rich people driving veeeery fast cars...Which someone mentioned in some post...

Could some of You people agree with me that if one wants to find out which cars pose the worst threat to it`s surroundings, one would have to look global. And one would have to concider the differences between the countries, the peoples and the cultures.

Just saying. In my country the 911 drivers are older mechanics driving older 911s from the 1970ies or early 80ies. They do not crash around. - In Russia the "typical 911/RUF consumer" (!) is of completely different heritage. So the accident statistics will also differ a lot.

I wasn`t thinking about all that when i wrote my firs posts, but I am now. Continueing peace please...

And you're saying that the same thing applies to RUF and Porsche, so RUF aren't a car company but a company that modifies Porsches.

On that basis, any company that uses another's platform is a mere modifier. Aston Martin modifies Toyotas, Ford modifies FIATs, Citroen and Peugeot modify Toyotas, Renault modifies Mercedes and Toyota modifies Subarus...

Of course you'll happily say that Aston Martin, Citroen/Peugeot (as PSA), FIAT, Ford, Mercedes, Renault, Subaru and Toyota are all their own car companies - you may even say that they make other cars too as justification for this. You'd be right. But the same thing applies to Porsche and RUF, and RUF also makes its own non-Porsche-platform-derived car too, the CTR3 (as I've said several times)...


(incidentally, inter-company platform sharing is quite rare even now; usually it's a platform shared between subsidiaries of the same company, like Nissan-Renault, PSA, Volkswagen Group or FCA. Sometimes it's a codevelopment with one partner building the car, like the Renault Twingo/Smart ForFour, Toyota Aygo/Peugeot 108/Citroen C1 and the Toyota GT86/Subaru BRZ. It's very rare for a manufacturer to buy into another's platform, like Ford did with the FCA "Mini" platform)

HA mr Famine...Your talking POLITICS now....COMPANY POLITICS....MARKET STRATEGY. When I mention "politics" people jump me. So to You people not understanding what I am talking about. read Famines post here. He explains a little on politics, so You can see it is relevant...But yes it IS a little confusing. Who build what...And Rolls Royce is German car today. Confusing. Politics are confusing...

Discussing technical detalis I will (and can) not. Famine You know much more details than I. My specific knowledge on technical matters are too small to discuss...I am ALWAYS talking in general - NOT "specifically" IF I talk "specifically" I will tell.

 

[twitcher]

No the exact opposite (Are You playing dumb and stupid or what? - stop it please)

I am absolutely not playing stupid. I'm approaching this with logic, which is making your point of view increasingly difficult to understand.

The proffessional racedriver would pose a lot greater threat to the 911 (and to himself) than an every day driver...
Because he wants to win a race on a track, racing against other fast race cars. AND under these extreme conditions the handling characteristics (hammer with shaft front) might come into play, if the driver made a little mistake....

So you're willing to admit that, at the limit, a small mistake by the driver can cause the P911 to display its unconventional handling characteristics.

If you go back an reread thre thread, you'll see that I said basically exactly that in an earlier post.

The every day driver will never find himself in a situation like this, on the public roads...He will never get his 911 enywhere near it`s limits....

I could be a sarcastic jackass in replying to this part, but I will try to remain civil.

The best assumption I can make is that there are major cultural differences between where we come from (Canada here). Here in Canada (and I'll speak for the U.S. at this point as well), your statement that "an every day driver will never get his 911 near the limit" is absolutely 100% false. To be blunt, that happens daily in North America. It is extremely common for people to drive their road cars near or at the limit. I'm not saying it's right, but it happens all the time.

I live in the mountains in BC, where we have some absolutely amazing roads. Around here, people push their vehicles to the limit all the damn time.
-last week, I overheated my brakes while pushing too hard decending a mountain pass. I missed a braking zone, and as a result, got into a bit of a tank slapper exiting the corner (i drive an AWD subaru wagon, much more forgiving than a 911).
-about a month ago, my best friend launched himself and his motorcycle off of a cliff after he entered a corner way too fast. Luckily he walked away.
-my mother is a detachment clerk for the local police station. Every week, she tells me stories of how the "members had to go peal another one off the pavement" or "fish another one out of the creek", because like I said, around here, people push their cars past both their personal limits, and the vehicle's limits, all the time! Majority of the time, it is wealthy people in fancy sports cars that they don't understand how to drive properly.

So, maybe in your country, every single person is 100% respectful of the rules of the road. Here, people are absolutely not.

Around the year 2000, street racing amongst youth in the greater Vancouver area became a major problem. People were dying on a near weekly basis. Majority of those racing were wealthy kids in BMW, Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. I still remember seeing the pictures in The Province. Because of this, there were drastic changes made to new driver regulations.

Ever heard of a guy named Paul Walker?

I say all that to repeat myself again. It is extremely common for average drivers to push their cars to the limit.


If your entire arguements that a P911 is a safe to drive car is based off the assumption that normal people never push their cars to the limit, then I don't really know what to say, other than you are wrong.

Listen to Yourself "...safe for inexperienced every day drivers..." (You said that, not I) - Dear You. How on Earth can an every day driver be inexperienced???? Can You see "syntax error" here. (No it`s not a syntax error, I just wrote that for the fun, so don`t play stupid on that too).

Now I have to guess this might be a language barrier thing. Here, the phrase "everyday" is a synonym for "common", or "regular" (ever heard the song "IIIIIIIIIIII, am everyday people!!). By "everyday driver", I did not mean "a person who drives every day."

Similarly, when I said "inexperienced", I meant it in the sense of being inexperienced at driving a car at the limit. Untrained would have been a better word. And to clarify, just because people are inexperienced and untrained at driving at the limit, does not mean they won't do it anyways.

Your Enlglish is good, but I would suggest you ask for clarification next time, instead of jumping out the window and calling people stupid.

..I was talking about every day drivers ctr race drivers...And YES race drivers has an infinite larger risc of dying behind the wheel than the every day driver...This is even more true in a 911...

What...the...hell

Now you're saying that a race driver has more chance at dying in a 911 than in other cars. This is basically what the rest of us have been saying all along!!!

The level of condradiction is TOO DAMN HIGH!!!

 

[light driver]

I am absolutely not playing stupid. I'm approaching this with logic, which is making your point of view increasingly difficult to understand.


So you're willing to admit that, at the limit, a small mistake by the driver can cause the P911 to display its unconventional handling characteristics.

If you go back an reread thre thread, you'll see that I said basically exactly that in an earlier post.


I could be a sarcastic jackass in replying to this part, but I will try to remain civil.

The best assumption I can make is that there are major cultural differences between where we come from (Canada here). Here in Canada (and I'll speak for the U.S. at this point as well), your statement that "an every day driver will never get his 911 near the limit" is absolutely 100% false. To be blunt, that happens daily in North America. It is extremely common for people to drive their road cars near or at the limit. I'm not saying it's right, but it happens all the time.

I live in the mountains in BC, where we have some absolutely amazing roads. Around here, people push their vehicles to the limit all the damn time.
-last week, I overheated my brakes while pushing too hard decending a mountain pass. I missed a braking zone, and as a result, got into a bit of a tank slapper exiting the corner (i drive an AWD subaru wagon, much more forgiving than a 911).
-about a month ago, my best friend launched himself and his motorcycle off of a cliff after he entered a corner way too fast. Luckily he walked away.
-my mother is a detachment clerk for the local police station. Every week, she tells me stories of how the "members had to go peal another one off the pavement" or "fish another one out of the creek", because like I said, around here, people push their cars past both their personal limits, and the vehicle's limits, all the time! Majority of the time, it is wealthy people in fancy sports cars that they don't understand how to drive properly.

So, maybe in your country, every single person is 100% respectful of the rules of the road. Here, people are absolutely not.

Around the year 2000, street racing amongst youth in the greater Vancouver area became a major problem. People were dying on a near weekly basis. Majority of those racing were wealthy kids in BMW, Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, etc. I still remember seeing the pictures in The Province. Because of this, there were drastic changes made to new driver regulations.

Ever heard of a guy named Paul Walker?

I say all that to repeat myself again. It is extremely common for average drivers to push their cars to the limit.


If your entire arguements that a P911 is a safe to drive car is based off the assumption that normal people never push their cars to the limit, then I don't really know what to say, other than you are wrong.



Now I have to guess this might be a language barrier thing. Here, the phrase "everyday" is a synonym for "common", or "regular" (ever heard the song "IIIIIIIIIIII, am everyday people!!). By "everyday driver", I did not mean "a person who drives every day."

Similarly, when I said "inexperienced", I meant it in the sense of being inexperienced at driving a car at the limit. Untrained would have been a better word. And to clarify, just because people are inexperienced and untrained at driving at the limit, does not mean they won't do it anyways.

Your Enlglish is good, but I would suggest you ask for clarification next time, instead of jumping out the window and calling people stupid.


What...the...hell

Now you're saying that a race driver has more chance at dying in a 911 than in other cars. This is basically what the rest of us have been saying all along!!!

The level of condradiction is TOO DAMN HIGH!!!

The rumour of the 911 rear end is overexaggerated. Thats what I say. Not that there was never a problem. As I said, the 911 myth has been barstooling for decades and decades. Thats the truth.

"A 911 can be driven fast and safe by anyone holding a drivers license" - I read that somewhere, an American guy who knows about what there is to know about 911 said it. He wrote some books about it also....

So You say the Canadian outback is roaring with RUFs and other hyper cars with insane drivers behind the wheel? - Here and there lies a crashed Ferrari, and a few Lambos, but it`s easy to tell there are way more RUFs in the Canadian trees, and spread over the fields? Just kiddin. - In Denmark - we have no outback. And no RUFs (Ok there might be 2 RUFs in Denmark, I shan`t say lol)

We agree on the term "every day driver" I can see. What I don`t understand is why You disagree with me. Everybody can tell that a guy who uses his RUF for hardcore track racing has "717 times" as high a risc of crashing, than the every day driver. Say I suddenly bought a RUF Ybird. And let my GF, who is an every day driver (she`s German by the way) drive to and from work every day. I`d trust her 100% - She wouldn`t crash. BUT I might not let some loaded, spoiled Canadian youngster (who`s father got rich over night) try my new RUF...Thanks for the tip.

You mention this guy Paul Walker. I know very little of him except he was an actor and did some car racing movies (never seen them, not interested) - What about him. He was a semi race driver or something. Not a typical "every day driver" - and he died - in a car crash. In a RUF? As I said, a race driver has more risc of dying behind the wheel as the every day driver has...
And this might be even more true in 911/RUF (But I don`t know if it IS "more true" but it might be) Due to the rear end drivetrain.

My agenda here is simply to remind You all that the P911 is much much better than it`s barstool expert rumour...Sorry I thought You were playing stupid, it was just that great big letters of Yours.... Hope we can still be friends....

 

[chrisspeed281]

we need a newer RUF in the game . how about that one ? Ruf RT 12 R

 

[Famine]

The rumour of the 911 rear end is overexaggerated. Thats what I say. Not that there was never a problem. As I said, the 911 myth has been barstooling for decades and decades. Thats the truth.

Why do you say that (and what on Earth is "barstooling") when contemporary sources disagree?

The 930 Turbo was so renowned for it, by adding an extremely binary turbocharger to the mix so you suddenly got all the power it could offer, that people at the time called it the Widowmaker...

"A 911 can be driven fast and safe by anyone holding a drivers license" - I read that somewhere, an American guy who knows about what there is to know about 911 said it. He wrote some books about it also...

The modern 911 is as easy to drive as anything else.

So You say the Canadian outback is roaring with RUFs and other hyper cars with insane drivers behind the wheel? - Here and there lies a crashed Ferrari, and a few Lambos, but it`s easy to tell there are way more RUFs in the Canadian trees, and spread over the fields? Just kiddin.

Try to articulate the point rather than just making things up.

In Denmark - we have no outback. And no RUFs (Ok there might be 2 RUFs in Denmark, I shan`t say lol)

None of that has anything to do with anything.

We agree on the term "every day driver" I can see. What I don`t understand is why You disagree with me. Everybody can tell that a guy who uses his RUF for hardcore track racing has "717 times" as high a risc of crashing, than the every day driver.

No they can't. You've made it up, for some reason.

Someone who is not trained to drive a performance car is fundamentally more likely to crash a performance car on public roads than someone who is trained to drive a performance car. This is exactly why Porsche offers this basic training when you buy a Porsche.

Say I suddenly bought a RUF Ybird. And let my GF, who is an every day driver (she`s German by the way) drive to and from work every day. I`d trust her 100% - She wouldn`t crash.

What performance car training has she had?

BUT I might not let some loaded, spoiled Canadian youngster (who`s father got rich over night) try my new RUF...Thanks for the tip.

Hey, do you know who bought brand new 930 Turbos? Loaded, spoiled youngsters who got rich overnight. They had no driver training, they just went out and bought expensive cars to show off that they could buy expensive cars.

What happens when you mix expensive cars, show-offs, no driver training, an unusual drivetrain layout and an on/off boost turbo? Oh yes, crashes.

You mention this guy Paul Walker. I know very little of him except he was an actor and did some car racing movies (never seen them, not interested) - What about him. He was a semi race driver or something. Not a typical "every day driver" - and he died - in a car crash. In a RUF?

Actually he was literally just an actor and died in a car crash in which he was the passenger, in a Porsche Carrera GT.

My agenda here is simply to remind You all that the P911 is much much better than it`s barstool expert rumour

That depends on the 911. However Porsche itself is so keenly aware of the fact that nouveau riche kids bought 930 Turbos in the 1980s and killed themselves in them very quickly that all new Porsches now come with a free driver training course.

 

[light driver]

Why I say the thing about barstooling and 911 rumours???? - because I read it some time ago, and it was clear that this guy knew his stuff...He wrote books about 911, and hints if You wanted to buy a second hand 911...If You do not know what barstooling is....hmmm...I`ll just leave You to it then. But it is not my own words...

I know that the 911 Turbo was a wild beast. But not as wild as it`s barstool rumour.

You claim that everything I say has nothing to do with this or that...Oh yeah You`re the mod...

And a race driver has - as a matter of course - a big risc of dying behind the wheel, how on Earth can You deny that. Good thing is that modern race tracks have very good safety, so less and less dies...

It is a good idea to give people a free course on driving a hyper car. Porsche, RUF, Ferrari, whatever.

As I said one need to look globally instead of locally. I`m doing that now, but for some reason this has not been mentioned by You. never mind. Gotta eat now

 

[DaBomm4]

You claim that everything I say has nothing to do with this or that...Oh yeah You`re the mod...

All @Famine has done I constantly correct you with the facts.

 

[twitcher]

I'm so lost and confused at this point. I'm starting to wonder if this is how Richard Dawkins feels on a daily basis

 

[light driver]

All @Famine has done I constantly correct you with the facts.

Facts? Oh barstool rumours? Seriosly...

 

[Blitz24]

I'm trying to follow this and I can't. Can the person making the claim that the 911 from the 80s is not a dangerous car give statistical proof? Perhaps it's not dangerous in Denmark and is rather due to the road conditions and general driving habits.

 

[light driver]

I'm trying to follow this and I can't. Can the person making the claim that the 911 from the 80s is not a dangerous car give statistical proof? Perhaps it's not dangerous in Denmark and is rather due to the road conditions and general driving habits.

Nope no statistics, BUT a story Here This gives both parts something. It gives YOU something, and it gives ME something.

By the way, You asked for statistics... I haven`t got any... Do You???

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm trying to follow this and I can't. Can the person making the claim that the 911 from the 80s is not a dangerous car give statistical proof? Perhaps it's not dangerous in Denmark and is rather due to the road conditions and general driving habits.

I think it's because Danish people aren't inhaling vodka on a daily basis or swigging maple syrup but I could be wrong

 

[Blitz24]

And the article does you no favors:

Under some conditions the rear end will begin to slide or “step out,” and if the driver doesn’t respond quickly and accurately the car may spin out of control. Porsche confirms this is a characteristic for which the cars are known. They also say that while it was a factor in earlier cars (the 911 was launched in 1963), engineering and safety electronics have made it largely a non-issue in the new ones

 

[dr_slump]

we need a newer RUF in the game . how about that one ? Ruf RT 12 R

Ehm yes, that would be nice, but why are you posting this here and not in the suggestions thread?

 

[TexRex]

what on Earth is "barstooling"

I found this, but I haven't the foggiest how/if it's applicable in that context.

Barstooling is a verb and involves visiting several bars and sitting directly at the bar for at least one or two cocktails. This is similar to a Pub Crawl, except barstooling usually involves mostly dive bars and can involve fewer people. Barstooling is best started during daylight hours and can progress for as long as one can remain stable on the barstool. Barstooling usually ends when someone falls off the barstool.

Also...

we need a newer RUF in the game . how about that one ? Ruf RT 12 R

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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ruf-rt12-r-2012.300261/

 

[light driver]

And the article does you no favors:

Why on Earth are You quoting 1/50 of the article to shut me up? - The article is full of stuff that "serve me" - and it is full of stuff that "serve You"....Nope I`m not going to quote "my parts" of the article for You, as I guess You (and other readers, even Famine), already found a tonne... I brought the article, that must be it... Now it`s up to You if You wanna read it selectively or broader...

 

[TexRex]

Why on Earth are You quoting 1/50 of the article to shut me up?

Process of elimination? If 2% doesn't, perhaps he'll quote more and more until something finally takes.

 

[Famine]

Why I say the thing about barstooling and 911 rumours???? - because I read it some time ago, and it was clear that this guy knew his stuff...He wrote books about 911, and hints if You wanted to buy a second hand 911...

That's a lovely and irrelevant uncited claim.

If You do not know what barstooling is....hmmm...I`ll just leave You to it then. But it is not my own words...

Or you could elaborate on what the non-English vernacular word you're using means. In English vernacular, "barstooling" is a pub game and "barstool" is an insult used when the audience is too sensitive for the word "bastard".

I know that the 911 Turbo was a wild beast. But not as wild as it`s barstool rumour.

So earlier on it was nothing and now it's "a wild beast", just not as wild as some level of wildness you're claiming is the level of wildness that rumour says it is...

Weird, as what everyone else was saying was that they were dangerous for average and novice drivers...

Weirder still, you've now quoted an article that also says they're dangerous for average and novice drivers...

In fast corners, the relatively heavy rear-mounted engine can act a bit like the head of a hammer. It seems to want to swing around toward the outside of the turn. Well-trained drivers know it’s vital to continue applying power, making subtle adjustments to keep the car balanced and under control. But startled drivers tend to ease off the throttle or release it completely. When that happens, the sudden shift imbalance toward the front can cause the rear wheels to lose traction, allowing the car to spin.

You claim that everything I say has nothing to do with this or that...

No, just the irrelevant stuff, like where you bang on about Canada's "outback" for a paragraph for no reason. Or when you keep referring to the fact that I'm a moderator...

Oh yeah You`re the mod...

... like that.

And a race driver has - as a matter of course - a big risc of dying behind the wheel, how on Earth can You deny that. Good thing is that modern race tracks have very good safety, so less and less dies...

No-one's said anything about racing drivers not having a big risk of dying behind the wheel. What we have said is that a well trained driver has a lower chance of crashing a performance car than an inexperienced driver. You disagreed with this and said that racing drivers are 717 times more likely to die, which is odd as there were less than 10 on-track deaths in 2014 on the entire planet.

However, you're now agreeing that people who get performance cars should have more driver training...

It is a good idea to give people a free course on driving a hyper car. Porsche, RUF, Ferrari, whatever

... which is an odd position to take for someone who claims that people who are wealthy enough to buy performance cars are too clever to crash them...

 

[Johnnypenso]

I found this, but I haven't the foggiest how/if it's applicable in that context.

I am familiar with that definition of barstooling and I heartily endorse it

 

[light driver]

Oh I mentioned the 911 as "car of the 20th. century"....he car of the century
Almost correct almost...I only had my faint memory to rely on, but I found it. It was in The Final as 1 of 5 car finalists...

And it "only" got no5....In the world final... You can read it here and Her

None of You Porsche/RUF experts knew about that. Meh I "thought" I knew it. But I only knew "some" - Better than knowing "nothing".

 

[Blitz24]

Oh I mentioned the 911 as "car of the 20th. century"....he car of the century
Almost correct almost...I only had my faint memory to rely on, but I found it. It was in The Final as 1 of 5 car finalists...

And it "only" got no5....In the world final... You can read it here and Her

None of You Porsche/RUF experts knew about that. Meh I "thought" I knew it. But I only knew "some" - Better than knowing "nothing".

Really? None of us knew about that? Please tell us more about what things we clearly don't know and remember to talk down to us at every opportunity!

 

[Johnnypenso]

Oh I mentioned the 911 as "car of the 20th. century"....he car of the century
Almost correct almost...I only had my faint memory to rely on, but I found it. It was in The Final as 1 of 5 car finalists...

And it "only" got no5....In the world final... You can read it here and Her

None of You Porsche/RUF experts knew about that. Meh I "thought" I knew it. But I only knew "some" - Better than knowing "nothing".

I think most of us don't need to consult a list to know that the Model T is probably going to win the "Best Car of the 20th Century" poll and it will probably battle it out with the Volkswagen Beetle.

 

[Famine]

Oh I mentioned the 911 as "car of the 20th. century"....he car of the century
Almost correct almost...I only had my faint memory to rely on, but I found it. It was in The Final as 1 of 5 car finalists...

And it "only" got no5....In the world final... You can read it here and Her

None of You Porsche/RUF experts knew about that.

Actually I did. I also know that the award was given to recognise the "most influential cars of the 20th century".

Not best, not easiest to drive, not most awesome. Most influential.

And do you know the name of the body that awarded it? I couldn't tell you even if I looked it up - but I can tell you that the Tesla P85D is currently Car and Driver's "car of the century", Jeremy Clarkson's "car of the century" was the E-Type (2nd was the 997 911, for reference) and Autocar gave it to the BMC Mini.

Meh I "thought" I knew it. But I only knew "some" - Better than knowing "nothing".

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" - Alexander Pope.

 

[TexRex]

Oh I mentioned the 911 as "car of the 20th. century"....he car of the century

Cultural significance of the 911 has nothing to do with the way a Ruf car drives.

 

[SVPSkins]

THAT is what I`m saying, and I thought people would understand it. But it is HARD for me to explain these things when people like You are playing plain stupid. And those "liking" Your post must be playing stupid as well.

I beg your pardon? Us liking Famine's comments are stupid? I'm sorry, those liking the comments are people trying to point out to YOU, that YOU are WRONG, I personally have already pointed out a link in my first comment on here, that gives every fact needed to prove you are. I've been no angel on here and I've let things get the better of me but you are closing the line calling other members stupid for liking members comments.

I'm really starting to think you're nothing but a Troll trying to wind us up. Learn to respect other GTP members or you might find your time here will be very short with that attitude. As Admin told me once, get your peoples skills in check.

 

[dr_slump]

None of You Porsche/RUF experts knew about that. Meh I "thought" I knew it. But I only knew "some" - Better than knowing "nothing".

So even though it was solely you who made that wrong statement, you really have the boldness to blame everybody else for not correcting your very own mistake? I'm speachless...

 

[light driver]

Actually I did. I also know that the award was given to recognise the "most influential cars of the 20th century".

Not best, not easiest to drive, not most awesome. Most influential.

And do you know the name of the body that awarded it? I couldn't tell you even if I looked it up - but I can tell you that the Tesla P85D is currently Car and Driver's "car of the century", Jeremy Clarkson's "car of the century" was the E-Type (2nd was the 997 911, for reference) and Autocar gave it to the BMC Mini.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" - Alexander Pope.

You said You never heard of it. And it did not ring a bell at Your place. A few posts back. And now You claim You knew... Fine fine... I`m actually old enough to remember there was something about a final and a Porsche 911. You didn`t know ANYTHING about a final and a Porsche You said, a couple of posts ago... OK whatever You say man... I almost believe You...Stop playing expert man. You might impress some, but not me...

And please stop quoting everything I say. You don`t have to; I remember the significant parts well myself...

 

[Famine]

You said You never heard of it. And it did not ring a bell at Your place. A few posts back. And now You claim You knew... Fine fine...

Nope.

That [Widowmaker] was literally what the 930 Turbo was called... everywhere. Even in contemporary literature. I don't recall any contemporary literature calling it "the car of the 20ieth century" (sic).

That's the only time I referred to your claim about the 911 being the car of the century...

I`m actually old enough to remember there was something about a final and a Porsche 911.

Just not old enough to remember that it didn't win and wasn't "the car of the 20ieth century" (sic) like you claimed, so you just made it up?

You didn`t know ANYTHING about a final and a Porsche You said, a couple of posts ago...

I didn't say anything about a final. I said that contemporary literature called it the Widowmaker and I don't recall any contemporary literature calling it "the car of the 20ieth century" (sic).

OK whatever You say man... I almost believe You...Stop playing expert man. You might impress some, but not me...

Whether I impress you or not is irrelevant. Fact is you made something up and are now making other things up to make it look like you were kinda right and everyone else was wrong...

And please stop quoting everything I say. You don`t have to; I remember the significant parts well myself...

Apparently you don't since you've twice now made up things that other people have said.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You said You never heard of it. And it did not ring a bell at Your place. A few posts back. And now You claim You knew... Fine fine... I`m actually old enough to remember there was something about a final and a Porsche 911. You didn`t know ANYTHING about a final and a Porsche You said, a couple of posts ago... OK whatever You say man... I almost believe You...Stop playing expert man. You might impress some, but not me...

And please stop quoting everything I say. You don`t have to; I remember the significant parts well myself...

Is this your first time on a forum? Quoting someone is the polite way of letting that person know you are talking to them and a way of directly referencing your statements so you know the context of someone's reply to you. It makes the conversation so much easier for the rest of us to follow as well. It's Especially helpful when....someone IS overusing both Ellipsis and CAPITAL letters and it's HARD to follow....their train of thought.