Why does no one like Justin Bieber

[hywelkidd]

I hate him because he's a talentless little douche that doesn't deserve anything he has. As a musician myself, it infuriates me whenever I hear someone talking about how "great" him or any of those other pop music pricks are. And that goes for Lady Gaga as well.

 

[spunwicked]

I hate him because he's a talentless little douche that doesn't deserve anything he has. As a musician myself, it infuriates me whenever I hear someone talking about how "great" him or any of those other pop music pricks are. And that goes for Lady Gaga as well.

At least Gaga wears clothing made of meat, in some bizarre twist of self-redemption.

 

[Camaroyenko]

I hate him because he's a talentless little douche that doesn't deserve anything he has. As a musician myself, it infuriates me whenever I hear someone talking about how "great" him or any of those other pop music pricks are. And that goes for Lady Gaga as well.

👍👍👍

 

[Pupik]

Don't blame the industry, blame the people who pay big $$$ for albums, concert tickets, and song licensing. There's a lot of people who pay good money to see/hear terrible music. The music & industry execs. just follow the money.

This is also why so many "performance artists" are merely products themselves to be packaged and sold. This has gone back to the 80's with Madonna...and maybe even further, but Madonna is the most relevant and egregious.

Do you really think someone like John Lee Hooker would ever make it past Simon Cowell today? Hell no... But while musicians like Muddy Waters, John Coltrane, etc. live on and grow their fanbase past death, these new 'products' will come and go as quickly as the products they're being downloaded with. Very little staying power IMO...and their productions sound absolutely terrible with all the compression & strange effects they use to make whoever's screeching into the mic sound somewhat less offensive in a Speak-n-Spell kinda way.

As to why people 'hate' Justin Bieber? It's probably b/c of over exposure and his beta-male look. When you're beat over the head with marketing, you start to rebel against it consciously or unconsciously. If everyone on your block had BMWs...would you buy one?

People like to have what no one else has.

Well said...+1.

Although I get the idea Simon Cowell might have missed out on a lot of hits, had he started his career 50 years ago, and would be out of a job. Who knows...

While I'm probably never going to consciously sit down and listen to a Justin Beiber album (by the the time my daughter is making album decisions, he'll be on another career path), I don't get the angst. Just ignore and move on, there will be another annoying kid with a singing career next year, anyhow.

 

[Jay.]

Don't blame the industry, blame the people who pay big $$$ for albums, concert tickets, and song licensing. There's a lot of people who pay good money to see/hear terrible music. The music & industry execs. just follow the money.

Not sure whether to agree or disagree.
Blame has to lay with both sides.
Cher Lloyd is a good example. The UK current number one with a song that sounds complete ****.
I like most R+B, dub and rap, (aswell as other genres), but her single is just terrible.
Yes she has some dedicated fans, (enough to get to number one? Doubtful), but I also believe the industry/Syco gave a helping hand.

 

[FoolKiller]

There are plenty of females in there 20's that seem to love him.

There are? Oh, I see you live in another country California.

Here I am constantly haunted by the Rascal Flatts version of "Life is a Highway" and whenever I say the original was better I get weird looks because no one has actually heard of Tom Cochran.

Blame has to lay with both sides.

I don't see how. The record company is running a business and so they go with the most profitable path. Teeny girls willing to throw out cash for cookie cutter acts purely for the cute face is the way to do that.

What record companies do have blame for is their unwillingness to recognize that people in their 30s would happily buy albums if we had more than three good songs out of the whole lot. They further exacerbated this issue by dragging their feet on digital music because they wanted to sell us a package so they could make money off the crap songs too. But if I can buy just the three good songs I will do that instead. Now they complain that digital music is killing their business. Actually, crap talent is killing their business. No one will buy Justin Bieber 30 years from now the way they do Led Zeppelin today.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Don't mind him at all, but this made me smile. There's a swearie in it though, so be careful where you play it.

 

[TB]

No one will buy Justin Bieber 30 years from now...

unless they find it in the thrift store for $0.25 and simply want to laugh all the way home.

I may or may not have done that with a Vanilla Ice cassette.

 

[FoolKiller]

unless they find it in the thrift store for $0.25 and simply want to laugh all the way home.

I may or may not have done that with a Vanilla Ice cassette.

I'm unsure if we will even have physical media to sell in a thrift store in 30 years. A used copy maybe. Or in a collection of hits from 2010. "NOW: That's What I Call Music! 97"

 

[Prosthetic]

I'm 13, and listen solely to classic rock 👍

What are you getting at? Your better then everyone else? Its not rare for a young kid to listen to classics. I listened to Led Zeppelin, Neil Young, Procol Harum, Rush and many others when I was 13. I also listened to Dream Theater, Tool and Opeth. I got plenty of the, "You will grow out of it past high school" stuff. Which I defiantly haven't. Your taste will expand, well if you try. My taste hasn't so much expanded, I've just had more time to explore genres I never heard of.

There are? Oh, I see you live in another country California.

I don't know any one that listens to Bieber. Most chicks I know either listen to some kind of electronic music, or the exact same stuff I do (good rock/metal.) But if you look on his FB page or something, there are plenty of older chicks who dig him. Remember guys, some people like catchy pop songs.

As for taste in my area... It consists of Bob Marley and classic rock. I actually live in a very small town of 7500, yet there is more live music here then anywhere else in the bay. Usually some kind of 60's style rock or blues.

 

[FoolKiller]

But if you look on his FB page or something, there are plenty of older chicks who dig him.

Reason 5,876 why I don't use Facebook.

 

[RogueMember2]

I hate Bieber because his songs are downright horrible, his voice is annoying, and any young chick who thinks he's 'all that' will try and start a war when you say something bad.

 

[Camaroyenko]

What are you getting at? You're better then everyone else? Its not rare for a young kid to listen to classics. I listened to Led Zeppelin, Neil Young, Procol Harum, Rush and many others when I was 13. I also listened to Dream Theater, Tool and Opeth. I got plenty of the, "You will grow out of it past high school" stuff. Which I defiantly haven't. Your taste will expand, well if you try. My taste hasn't so much expanded, I've just had more time to explore genres I never heard of.

I never said I was better than everyone else. I just get tired of every kid listening to pop music. And how old are you now? If you were 13 during the 70's, that's what everybody listened to!


Rush FTW!


And it's my opinion, so......

 

[Prosthetic]

Reason 5,876 why I don't use Facebook.

Yeah, I was kind of forced into it. Damn female counterparts.

I never said I was better than everyone else. I just get tired of every kid listening to pop music. And how old are you now? If you were 13 during the 70's, that's what everybody listened to!

When I was your age I didn't know anyone listened to pop. Everyone listened to rock or rap.

I don't get why Pop is hated on so hard. The people that listen to have got to be the most passive people I know. They don't go around taunting how good there favorite band is.

 

[Camaroyenko]

Well, perhaps I should say a line from Rush-Spirit of the Radio


"All this machinery making modern music"


Yup, that's why I hate pop. It doesn't require talent.

 

[Prosthetic]

Well, perhaps I should say a line from Rush-Spirit of the Radio


"All this machinery making modern music"


Yup, that's why I hate pop. It doesn't require talent.

You still have to know how to sing, and sound good. That's not talent?

 

[Camaroyenko]

Not really when you got machines doing it all for you

 

[BrutherSuperior]

You still have to know how to sing, and sound good. That's not talent?

Very few pop songs sound like a human is actually singing. My guess is that masks someone who really can't sing and sounds poor attempting to do so. Ever been out w/some friends at a bar and there's karaoke? There's programs out there that can make those drunk idiots sound just like a pop singer with said "talent".

Reverb, pitch/phase shift, gobs of compression, and you too can sound like Britney Spears.

 

[Camaroyenko]

Very few pop songs sound like a human is actually singing. My guess is that masks someone who really can't sing and sounds poor attempting to do so. Ever been out w/some friends at a bar and there's karaoke? There's programs out there that can make those drunk idiots sound just like a pop singer with said "talent".

Reverb, pitch/phase shift, gobs of compression, and you too can sound like Britney Spears.

...Exactly what I was trying to say.

 

[Prosthetic]

Try listening to some of her music before you comment.



She plays the piano quite well, and does have a fantastic voice. I've heard nothing but good stuff about her live performances. Seriously, tell me that is terrible singing. Her voice has incredible range. There is nothing there but a mic, her and her keyboard.

"ZSOMG AUTOTUNES DUDE, ITS SO AUTTUNED"

As for Bieber... He doesn't do it either. At least not from any of the **** that I've heard. Is he a punk? Sure is. But he can sing better then most of us could.

I hate the music, but I have respect for quite a few artist vocal talent.

I despise Josh Homme, does that mean he is a terrible singer/guitarist? No he's quite good at both, but that doesn't mean I like him.

I'm not a big fan of math metal, does that mean they suck and lack talent? No, quite the opposite.

I'd be inclined to say that pop is more demanding then classic rock. A lot of classic rock is pretty generic and simple. Does that mean that's talentless?

Besides whats the deference between classic rock and modern rock played the same way? Age? That's dumber then any stupid electronic, dubstep sub-genre that I could think of.

 

[dylansan]

The thing with Lady Gaga is that a lot of her songs are edited quite a bit, but she certainly has talent. My philosophy: If you have talent, you can do whatever you want with it to suit your own tastes. Even if people don't like it, it doesn't take away from the fact that you are one of few people who can do what you love and do it well. 👍

 

[Northstar]

Well, perhaps I should say a line from Rush-Spirit of the Radio


"All this machinery making modern music"


Yup, that's why I hate pop. It doesn't require talent.

So, any song that uses any kind of alteration isn't real music?

Guess there hasn't been "real" music for quite some time as these things....

...Are nothing new.

(That is a mixing board, it alters the sound during the recording process, has been used for decades and is in every recording studio)

 

[Prosthetic]

So, any song that uses any kind of alteration isn't real music?

Guess there hasn't been "real" music for quite some time as these things....

...Are nothing new.

(That is a mixing board, it alters the sound during the recording process, has been used for decades and is in every recording studio)

Some people don't realize that music is just altering sounds to make it sound how you want. Distortion is another one that has been used in music forever.

Oh well. If there wasn't for these things everything would sound the same.

 

[PeterJB]

What confuses me is, if some of these people can actually sing, then why feel the need for autotune?

 

[poolhaas]

I have nothing against him, he's America's (and Canada's) problem
My favorite radio station never plays his songs so it's cool.

 

[Keef]

What confuses me is, if some of these people can actually sing, then why feel the need for autotune?

It's interesting. It's different. It's a weird sound that when used correctly can give a song a strange modern, robotic sound. Then of course there's the fact that they're just as interested in making money as they are making music. In an age where the public will buy anything with a beat made by a twelve year old because they have no taste, you have to differentiate yourself somehow. Most normal people have little respect for real talent, and would rather listen to something that "sounds cool".

 

[Camaroyenko]

So, any song that uses any kind of alteration isn't real music?

Guess there hasn't been "real" music for quite some time as these things....

...Are nothing new.

(That is a mixing board, it alters the sound during the recording process, has been used for decades and is in every recording studio)

Sure I can understand them using that to make the sound quality better, but back then they didn't use it to change the sound!

 

[Villain]

If your live performances sound drastically different than the studio version then there is something wrong. I hate when bands can't live up to their studio sound.

It's one thing when a pop star has rigorous dance routines in their live shows and uses a soundtrack in addition to their normal voice to avoid sounding winded while singing - that's all about putting on a good show. It's definitely another thing when a performer is on stage pretending to play the piano and lip syncing because their actual unedited voice sounds almost nothing like their studio-altered voice that is selling records. I can't stand that in any music genre.

Obviously, live performances rarely sounds identical to the studio versions - sound equipment, venue acoustics, etc. will all play roles in altering the sounds of the voices/intruments - but you should never be lightyears apart and that is the case far too often for my taste. One of my favorite experiences to have is to go to a live show and have the band sound better than the "perfected" studio version of themselves. Artists/Bands that step up their game live will automatically get upgraded in my books.

Auto-tuning your voice is lame no matter how you slice it. It lets you hit notes you can't otherwise hit, it totally broadens a singers vocal range in an unrealistic way, and it also sounds terribly robotic. There is just nothing that I like about it. 👎

Be yourself and sing with the voice you have.

 

[Prosthetic]

Sure I can understand them using that to make the sound quality better, but back then they didn't use it to change the sound!

Distortion changes the sound of the guitar. Your "Classic Rock" uses tons of distortion.

 

[Jay.]

So, any song that uses any kind of alteration isn't real music?

Guess there hasn't been "real" music for quite some time as these things....

...Are nothing new.

(That is a mixing board, it alters the sound during the recording process, has been used for decades and is in every recording studio)

Some people don't realize that music is just altering sounds to make it sound how you want. Distortion is another one that has been used in music forever.

Oh well. If there wasn't for these things everything would sound the same.

...Including crap voices like Beibers.

Sure I can understand them using that to make the sound quality better, but back then they didn't use it to change the sound!

+1 👍

Distortion changes the sound of the guitar. Your "Classic Rock" uses tons of distortion.

A lot of the old 'Classic Rock' didn't use as much as you think.
If you were actually around during those times you might have realized that.

60 years ago there was good music with good singers, and no mixing boards.
40 years ago was the same, but the mixing boards were used and altered mainly the instrumental sounds. So we still had good singers.
20 years ago we had LOADS of crap singers that only sounded good because they started using more comprehensive mixing boards to change vocals.

2011 and although there are some with real good singing talent, we still have a load of crap singers.

There aren't many new artists these days that can sound good singing live.
Justin Beiber is one of those who can't. He only sounds good to some because his vocals are altered with a mixing board.