Why is everybody using racing tires?

[oblivionskate]

why settle for ****** tires when you can have the best 👍. but honestly that shouldn't matter. On a track day in real life you wouldn't go with crappy "all season" tires would you?

 

[Vrooman923]

And even when production cars are shod with production tires, when competing, the tires are often shaved down to near slicks. And when one considers how tires have changed over the years (compounds, tread, sidewall height, etc), there is no "true" representation of tires for any car made before 1980.

 

[analog]

The thing people tend to forget is that most fully tuned roadcars in GT5 (including things like weight reduction, chassis reinforcement, etc.) are basically racecars appearing like roadcars.
Most real life roadcars entered in a trackday on a casual basis (not the ones build or improved for this purpose) don't have weight reduction, etc. since they're often also used as 'everyday' streetcars and slicks cost a lot of money in real life.
I do use racing tyres on roadcars in GT5 although not racing softs (and I also don't understand everyone seems to be putting these on almost everything online, including small hatchbacks and even Kübelwagens and Samba busses), I mainly use racing hards, or normal on the more powerful cars, as like mentioned before in this thread, that's what I would prefer to use when I would race on a track in real life too.
And it doesn't make the cars drive 'on rails', although I use a DS3, maybe when using a steering wheel it could appear like that.

 

[bSUPERSPORT]

To answer the question, it gives the car better grip which aids in the car's turning ability, producing better lap times.

 

[Foglight]

I think it's just a case of adjusting your expectations. There is no extra feel from tyres that grip more than those that do not, how could there be.

If you drive on Comfort Soft tyres for long enough, they "feel" very grippy indeed.

Of course there is more feel with different tires. How could there not be? The more contact (grip, compound material of the rubber, etc) the tire has with the road the more feedback is given through the wheel. I just switched from winters to summers IRL and there is a night and day difference in feel. Just as in the game, CS, SH or whatever tire will represent and give different force feedback through the wheel. For me I find that some tires given on certain cars standard is just not realistic and moving up to racings brings a more realistic experience for me.

And for those hurling insults around, do you ever stop to think that there are so many different devices used to play the game? That each one of those devices are not going to relay the same feel back to the user? That someone using a controller essentially gets 0% feedback and bumping up to racings will provide them with a more realistic experience? Those using wheels are going to get different feedback from wheel to wheel? Well I guess one thing among us wheel drivers that is a constant is that we can set the FF from 1-10 of the wheel just like in real life. I usually drive my daily car at around a 4, but on track days I bump it up to about a 6.

In the end there are way to many variables, inconsistencies, consistencies, errors that PD made, add to that the physical impossibilities and to say this is how that car drives and changing tires or anything is akin to being "lame" is a ridiculous statement.

The last two paragraphs are not aimed at you Sinbad. 👍

 

[Exorcet]

Since you cant buy tyres in an online room you are stuck with what you have 'in stock'.

There is a fortunate glitch, where if you have the highest tires of a certain class, you can have any tire of that class online.

The host just needs to unrestrict the tires, then let you select the softest tire of its class, then the host switches the tire rules back. Everyone will have the best legal tire, even if they never bought it.

Basically, say a room is for RM tires, but you only own RS.

-Host changes tires to unrestricted.

-You pick RS.

-Host changes regs back to RM.

-Your car is now equipped with RM's you never bought.

-Racing is fun.

I don't remember if it works across classes (ie, RS to SS). If PD fixes this glitch I'll be convinced that to be hired by the company, you must hate fun.

why settle for ****** tires when you can have the best 👍. but honestly that shouldn't matter. On a track day in real life you wouldn't go with crappy "all season" tires would you?

If the rules of the race/track day demanded all season tires, you would have no choice but to use them. Same as online, same as F1 when slicks are banned.

 

[UnionStrike]

why settle for ****** tires when you can have the best 👍. but honestly that shouldn't matter. On a track day in real life you wouldn't go with crappy "all season" tires would you?

They are not crappy tires, sport tires are semi slicks, more than fine for track use, racing hards are plenty grippy and racing softs simply have fictional level of grip and durability.

 

[ShylockHolmes]

I have ZR tires on my real life car, so why wouldn`t I use racing tires in a racing sim?

 

[sinbad]

Of course there is more feel with different tires. How could there not be? The more contact (grip, compound material of the rubber, etc) the tire has with the road the more feedback is given through the wheel. I just switched from winters to summers IRL and there is a night and day difference in feel. Just as in the game, CS, SH or whatever tire will represent and give different force feedback through the wheel. For me I find that some tires given on certain cars standard is just not realistic and moving up to racings brings a more realistic experience for me.

Fair comment, but in my case turning up or down the ff has a far, far greater affect on steering feel than the choice of tyre does.
The response increases dramatically, yes, with racing tyres, but this is, of course, not feel.

Anyhoo, I've posted a few times, so i'll finish with a couple of simple thoughts.

I like gt5 because it features road cars with realistic handling and I like to drive them hard, Best Motoring style.

Even if you convince yourself that taking a road car to a track makes it a track car or race car, there are multitudes of series' that run tyres that are miles from a slick, and lightyears from a racing soft.

Regardless of anything else, rsofts are too sticky, even if you insist that a slick tyre is the right one to use with your 150bhp mx5.

 

[jibber]

Thanks for all the replies. 👍

I never intended to try and convince people not to use racing tires anymore... maybe the title of the thread wasn't the smartest idea ever.

I tried again finding some better rooms over the weekend. I've noticed that when you filter the races for "härtetest" (dunno the english word they use in the game... maybe it's called endurance?), it's a lot easier to find rooms where people run on sport tires. Had some nice and clean races actually. Also tried the shuffle races... they are quite fun aswell, even tho... i prefer something other than FWD cars, which is what you end up with most of the time. Nevertheless, the races were close and fun.

Also had some fun racing with a friend of mine and sinbad on tsukuba on comfort softs (sinbad, i hope you had fun aswell, even tho my friend and i couldn't keep up with your lightning fast laptimes... And i hope you didn't mind us having a laugh sometimes... it's all in good fun... ).

A few people from this thread have added me on PSN, cheers! 👍

I'm not online enough on a regular basis to do something like starting a league, but i'll keep looking for likeminded people online. Also, feel free to add me and join races if you see me online. PSN: jibber951

Looks like it's not as bad as i thought and the (online) sky doesn't look as dark anymore.

Edit: PSN of my friend who also likes to run comfort or sport tires: coeps (feel free to add him aswell)

 

[BradKinder]

Comfort tires are all season tires. Sports tires are the very best slicks a person in the real world can get. Racing tires are tires specially built for race teams for tens of thousands of dollars. I don't think that any car in gt5 should be driven on racing tires, unless it came with racing tires.

 

[finnracer]

I normally use Comfort Soft to sports soft tires on road cars and Racing Hard on race cars. Racing Soft are only reserved for madly tuned cars like my 1000bhp Viper ACR. It really annoys me when everyone uses those tires online regardless of the car they are in though.

 

[Thaddaeus]

on a sidenote:
why is noone "racing" with sub 100ps cars? Never seen a Fiat 500 or VW Käfer "Race" (and i would participate immediately if i would ever find such a lobby
After all the question stands. I had great joy in the Kübelwagen challenge (i needed to tune in tyres, a turbo and sport suspension i admit)

 

[uMadson?]

Simple, race slicks are the ultimate tires. Whipped them on my Tacoma and pwned the whole competition even before lap 3 in GVS (remember teh truck seasonals?).

But I like sports softs as well. Comfort softs... need to practice more, because it's always tempting to powerslide.

 

[gerdy0606]

add me for some racing too psn : goh123 i do use racing softs on some of my racing cars as im ds3 user but i do stick to sports softs max on production cars

i dont get online much but when i do i struggle to find some good races, so if i get a few friends i can atleast jump in to your lobbies if your online ( if im not in the mood for some drifting too )

 

[wmwolverines]

I don't drive formula 1, Indy, Nascar or GT vehicles IRL but imo the racing softs give absurd levels of grip that no real tire can replicate. Maybe someone whose driven those vehicles IRL can correct me... Racing mediums aren't much different, amazingly levels of grip. Amazing and obscene levels of grip imo don't belong on any vehicle other than maybe the fictional Red Bull X1 whatever. I don't use them but racing hards might be similar to what F1, Indy, GT and Nascar vehicles use. IMO these type of tires only belong on those type of vehicles though if anyone has actually driven actual race cars with race tires, feel free to correct me...

I only ever use sports softs/mediums, would like to venture down to sports hard tires once I get better at sports mediums. Working my way down the ladder but sports mediums are a handful for a highly tuned (significant HP added, significant weight reduction) production car but they are what I use on most of my minimally tuned (not much HP added, not much weight removed) production cars.

 

[DIA1974]

I can understand the frustration of people using RS on standard road cars, but for the majority of people on line, it appears that the process is as follows:

Buy Car
Buy Weight reduction stage 1, 2 and 3.
Buy lightened glass
Buy carbon bonnet
Add additional bracing
Tune engine stage 1, 2 and 3
Install Sports ECU
Install Racing filter
Install Racing Manifold, De-cat, racing exhaust
Install Turbo/supercharger
Install Full Suspension
Install Racing Transmission
Install LSD
Install Racing Clutch
Install Racing Flywheel
Install Carbon prop

At this point, this is no longer a road car, its a very specialised time-attack/track monster of a car, and given all the above, its most likely going to be run racing tyres as well. Check out any real Time Attack event and take a look at what compound tyre is being used - I bet it isn't the sort of rubber Kwikfit do on a buy one get one free deal down the road.

 

[bSUPERSPORT]

"Why is everybody using racing tires?"
Its like saying "Why do four fifths of the cars have no cockpit" Its a bit obvious isn't it.

 

[nizmo_bro]

Ugh, I decided to give online racing another go yesterday. They have the PP limits, and I met all those on top, and yet everyone was so much faster in the corners. I didn't feel like leaving to buy new tires for all my cars I'd like to use. IDK why they were using such high grade tires just for 400-500PP street cars. Luckily though I found a room using Sports Soft as a max and had a couple cars I could use.

 

[paunstefan]

Until today I didn't used racing tires. But today I put racing soft on my GT-R and I tested it on Top Gear Track ( with sports soft I got 1:15) and I got 1:10. Now I love racing tires.

 

[Skiddy]

I tend to use sport tyers (hard trough soft) on all cars with less than 500 HP. Above that, racing tyres are a must. Comforts are reserved for up to 280 HP.

 

[With a EG6]

i use Sport soft on any Tuned Production car , unless i feel i want it to be a proper Track car which is when i might use Racing Mediums or Soft

 

[klondike]

I agre.

racing soft on production cars is stupid.

Im becoming very tired of the limited online functions GT 5 has.

Takes ages to find a good server. Always when i enter the restrictions are not to my liking, or its full of idiots bumbing into each other at the first corner.

Iwe tryed numerous times to start a server my self, but uasely noone joins, or just join one race then leave before its over.

Anyone want to race me fell free to add me. Im sorta slow, but clean and looking for fun with likeminden people.

PSN klondike_rush.

 

[will-i-am]

Regaurdless of the tire choice. Your result would be the same, as everyone is on the same tires. People you think that would do bad will learn, so tire choice is point less if everyone is on the same. This is a pointless thread. You are not cooler than anyone else suggesting comfort tires. Booo for you

 

[chuyler1]

If you're online between 9:30PM-12:00AM Eastern time, check out my club (link below). We race at 450pp every night on sport soft tires. Each night is typically a different theme to keep people from running the same cars night after night. The room is usually full which means there is always someone to race with based on your ability level and car selection. Tonight is going to be muscle cars.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=193193

If the time slot doesn't suit you...create your own thread here to gain interest. I find the lower performance points keeps the rough racers away. They just want to push people off the track in their Gayrons. My room is for drivers who what to challenge themselves both as drivers and as tuners.

 

[RenaultSport133]

I agree , I hate racing tires, your suspension setup is irelevant because damn tires offer amounts of grip which you will never exceed , and yes, it ruined online for me aswell...

 

[will-i-am]

If you're online between 9:30PM-12:00AM Eastern time, check out my club (link below). We race at 450pp every night on sport soft tires. Each night is typically a different theme to keep people from running the same cars night after night. The room is usually full which means there is always someone to race with based on your ability level and car selection. Tonight is going to be muscle cars.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=193193

If the time slot doesn't suit you...create your own thread here to gain interest. I find the lower performance points keeps the rough racers away. They just want to push people off the track in their Gayrons. My room is for drivers who what to challenge themselves both as drivers and as tuners.

Nice!!!!

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I agree , I hate racing tires, your suspension setup is irelevant because damn tires offer amounts of grip which you will never exceed , and yes, it ruined online for me aswell...

I find this especially annoying. I want to tune my car's suspension so it can handle better when I give it more power and then race it online, but what's the point if racing softs automatically make it handle better?

 

[bSUPERSPORT]

I agree , I hate racing tires, your suspension setup is irelevant because damn tires offer amounts of grip which you will never exceed , and yes, it ruined online for me aswell...

Well you got far, i couldn't find a decent race to begin with!!!

 

[will-i-am]

Everytime I log on I see and play in a few rooms with lower tires and pp or hp. There out there